https://www.nairaland.com/1013080/origin-bantu-peoples-eastern-nigeria/2#17654690

This.

Tony Spike:
A) The Bantus once occupied areas around the ancient Misri and Sudan pre-2500 BC.

B) Political upheavals around Egypt and its vassal states (Sudan and Kush/Nubia) affected the Bantus which led to their early migrations out of their homelands.

- What about the Nilo saharans and Afro asiatics ? Weren't they the inhabitants of this area ? I thought the Bantu were more related to the West African Niger-congo language group than to either one of these.

The Y DNA lineages of the modern day Bantu are the same as those of modern day west Africans not so much to the modern day people of Sudan.

Please spare us the Egypt-Israel fairy tales. We don't come from there.
We ain't related with West Africans ethnic groups b it culturally or physically

brainwave360:

- What about the Nilo saharans and Afro asiatics ? Weren't they the inhabitants of this area ? I thought the Bantu were more related to the West African Niger-congo language group than to either one of these.

The Y DNA lineages of the modern day Bantu are the same as those of modern day west Africans not so much to the modern day people of Sudan.

what about the Nilotes?
i know they are mixed (some are part or mostly E1B1B) but for the MOST PART they fall under the E1b1a category as well.

Also all groups of Africans have origins in the east.
so yes, we (black folks) came from the same region as the afro. asiatics but branched off.

brainwave360:

- What about the Nilo saharans and Afro asiatics ? Weren't they the inhabitants of this area ? I thought the Bantu were more related to the West African Niger-congo language group than to either one of these.

The Y DNA lineages of the modern day Bantu are the same as those of modern day west Africans not so much to the modern day people of Sudan.

The original Egyptians were Bantus who lived in the sahara desert before it dried up. This proto egyptians were called the ANU. When the Sahara desert began to dry up this proto egyptians migrated in deferent directions: This Anu are the distant ancestors of the Dogon, wolof, yoruba, ibo, etc. It is this Anu who built megaliths allover the world beginning in the Sahara. The Nabta Playa megalith, built by the ANU, before ancient egypt came into existence is the oldest in the world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyOnNNHS004

http://wysinger.homestead.com/nabtaplaya.html

When the Anu moved to present day egypt they mixed with nubians to create the ancient egyptians. This is why the Egyptian culture has both Bantu and Nilotic traits. The egyptians practiced circumcision which is a very old bantu custom.

EMG1195:

The original Egyptians were Bantus who lived in the sahara desert before it dried up. This proto egyptians were called the ANU. When the Sahara desert began to dry up this proto egyptians migrated in deferent directions: This Anu are the distant ancestors of the Dogon, wolof, yoruba, ibo, etc. It is this Anu who built megaliths allover the world beginning in the Sahara. The Nabta Playa megalith, built by the ANU, before ancient egypt came into existence is the oldest in the world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyOnNNHS004

http://wysinger.homestead.com/nabtaplaya.html

When the Anu moved to present day egypt they mixed with nubians to create the ancient egyptians. This is why the Egyptian culture has both Bantu and Nilotic traits. The egyptians practiced circumcision which is a very old bantu custom.

Tell me, are these Anu people the same as ancient Ainu people of Africa? How long ago did this dispersal happen? Would you know what the original Anu language look like?

Tony Spike:
Tell me, are these Anu people the same as ancient Ainu people of Africa? How long ago did this dispersal happen? Would you know what the original Anu language look like?

Egyptologist, Abbe Emile Amelineau was an authority on the proto egyptians this is what he said about the Anu;

"These Anu were agricultural people, raising cattle on a large scale along the Nile, shutting themselves up in walled cities for defensive purposes. To this people we can attribute without fear of error, the most ancient Egyptian books, The Book of The Dead and the Text of the Pyramids, consequently all the myths of religious teachings. I would add almost all the philospohical systems then known and still called Egyptian. They evidently knew the crafts necessary for any civilization and were familiar with the tools those trades required. They knew how to use metals . . . They made the earliest attempts at writing, for the whole Egyptian tradition attributes this art to Thoth, the great Hermes, an Anu like Osiris, who is called Onian in chapter fifteen of The Book of the Dead and in the Texts of the Pyramids. Certainly the people already knew the principal arts; it left proof of this in the architecture of the tombs at Abydos, especially the tomb of Osiris, and in those sepulchres objects have been found bearing the unmistakeable stamp of their origin - such as carved ivory . . . . All those cities [Ant, Annu Menti, Aunti, Aunyt-Seni today called Esneh, Erment, Quoch, and Heliopolis] have the characteristic symbol which serves to denote the name Anu”

--Abbe Emile Amelineau 1850-1916 CE

NUMBERS 1-10 in various world languages:

Numbers in Million-Speaker Languages

The roughly 200 languages with over a million native speakers (taken from David Crystal). Don't take the cutoffs too seriously-- estimates of numbers of speakers are often extremely unreliable.

Why native speakers? Because while counting native speakers is hard, counting second-language speakers is pretty much impossible. Often no figures at all are available; or if numbers exist, there's no way of knowing where they came from or what kind of fluency was measured.

Languages in red are the twelve languages with the greatest number of speakers-- over 100 million or so.

Indo-European

Germanic
English one two three four five six seven eight nine ten
Dutch een twee drie vier vijf zes zeven acht negen tien
Afrikaans een twee drie vier vyf ses sewe agt nege tien
German eins zwei drei vier fünf sechs sieben acht neun zehn
Norwegian en to tre fire fem seks sju åtte ni ti
Danish én to tre fire fem seks syv otte ni ti
Swedish en två tre fyra fem sex sju åtta nio tio
Italic
Italian uno due tre quattro cinque sei sette otto nove dieci
Sardinian unu duos tres báttor chimbe ses sette otto nove deghe
Spanish uno dos tres cuatro cinco seis siete ocho nueve diez
Catalan un dos tres quatre cinc sis set vuit nou deu
Portuguese um dois três quatro cinco seis sete oito nove dez
French un deux trois quatre cinq six sept huit neuf dix
Provençal un dous tres quatre cinq sièis sèt vue nòu dès
Romanian un doi trei patru cinci s,ase s,apte opt nouâ zece
Celtic
Breton unan daou tri pewar pemp c'hwec'h seizh eizh nav dek
Hellenic
Greek éna dío tría téssera pénte éksi eptá októ ennéa déka
Albanian
Albanian një dy tre katër pesë gjashtë shtatë tetë nëntë dhiet
Armenian
Armenian me'g y-ergu y-erek chors hinq vets yo't'n ut inn das
Baltic
Lithuanian víenas dù try~s keturì penkì sheshì septynì ashtuonì devynì de:shimt
Latvian viêns divi trî:s chetri pìeci seshi septini astôni devini desmit
Slavic
Russian odín dva tri chety're pyat' shest' sem' vósem' dévyat' désyat'
Belarussian íadzín dva try chaty'ry piac' eshesc' sem vósem dzéviac' dzésiac'
Ukrainian ody'n dva tri choty'ry pyat' ishist' isim íivísim devyat' desyat'
Polish jeden dwa trzy cztery pie,c' szes'c' siedem osiem dziewie,c' dziesie,c'
Czech jeden dvê tr^i chtyr^i pêt shest sedm osm devêt deset
Slovak jeden dva tri shtyri pät' shest' sedem osem devät' desat'
Bulgarian edín dva tri chétiri pet shest sédem ósem dévet déset
Macedonian eden dva tri chetiri pet shest sedum osum devet deset
Serbo-Croat jèdan dvâ trî chètiri pêt shêst sëdam ösam dëve:t dëse:t
Slovene èn dvâ tríjê, shtírje pê,t shê,st sédem ó,sem devê,t desê,t

Indo-Iranian
Iranian
Pashto yau dwa dre shala:r pinz'a shpag uwa ata neha las
Farsi yak du: si chaha:r panj shash haft hasht nu dah
Tajik yak du se chor panch, shash kh.aft kh.asht nu:kh. dakh.
Kermanji Kurdish yak du: se: chwa:r pe:nj shash hawt hasht no: da
Zaga Kurdish e:k dô se: cha:r pe:nj shash haft hasht na da
Baluchi yak do: sai cha:r panch shash haft hasht noh dah

Indic
Sinhalese eka deka tun.a hatara paha haya hata ata navaya dahaya
Kashmiri ake zah trih tsôr pönts she:h sat' öti nav dah
Marathi e:k 'do:n ti:n cha:r pã:ts saha: sa:t a:t' nau: da:ha:
Konkani ye:k do:n ti:n cha:r pã:ts sho: sa:t a:t nav d'a:
Sindhi heku bba te: cha:re panja ch'a sata at' nawa ddaha
Lahnda hikk do:e: trä cha:r pañ ch'e: satt att' nå~ da:h
Hindi/Urdu e:k do: ti:n cha:r pa:nch chha sa:t a:th nau das
Punjabi ikk do: tinn cha:r pañj ch'ai satt a:tt' nau das
Gujarati e:k be tran. cha:r pã:ch ch'a sa:t a:t' naw das
Rajasthani (Marwari) e:k do:y ti:n chya:r pã:ch ch'aw sa:t a:t' naw das
Malvi e:k do: ti:n cha:r pã:ch ch'e: sa:t a:t' naw das
Bhili e:k be: te:n. sya:r pã:s so: xa:t a:t' naw dax
Kumauni e:k dwi: ti:n cha:r pã:ch ch'ai sa:t a:t' nau das
Garhwali e:k dwi: ti:n cha:r pã:ch ch'ai: sa:t a:t' nau das
Khandeshi e:k do:n ti:n cha:r pa:ch ch'a sa:t a:t' naü das
Nepali ek dui tin cha:r pa:nch cha sa:t a:t nau das
Maithili ek du: ti:n cha:ri pã:ch ch'a: sa:t a:t' náu dash
Magahi e:k du: ti:n cha:r pã:ch ch'au sa:t a:t' nau das
Bhojpuri e:k du: ti:n cha:r pã:ch ch'aw sa:t a:t' naw das
Awadhi (Kosali) e:k do: ti:n cha:r pã:ch ch'a sa:t a:t' nau das
Chattis-garhi e:k dui ti:n cha:r pã:ch ch'e: sa:t a:t' no: das
Oriya e:ka dui tini chi:ri pã:cha ch'a sa:ta a:t'a naa dasha
Bengali ek dui tin cha:ri pã:ch ch'ay sa:t a:t nay dash
Assamese ek dui tini sa:ri pã:s sôy xa:t a:t' nô do:h

Dravidian

Kurukh on.ta: en.d mun.d na:x pañche: ch'au satte: a:th nau dasse:
Telugu okati rendu mu:du na:lugu ayidu a:ru e:du enimidi: tommidi: padi
Gondi un.di: rran.d mun.d na:lungg saiyungg sa:rungg ye:r.ungg ar.mur unma: pad
Tulu wonji rraddä mu:ji n.a:tü cinä a:ji ye:tr.. yen.ma wormba pattü
Kannada ondu erDu muuru naaku aydu aaru eeLu eNTu ombattu hattu
Toda wïd e:d mu:d no:ng üz, o:r öw öt wïnboth pot
Kota vodde yede mu:n.de na:ke anje a:re ye:ye yette vorapa:de patte
Tamil (Malabar) ondru iranda rmu:ndru na:tu cindn a:ru e:ru ettu onbadu pattu
Malayalam onnu randu moonu nalu anchu aaru aazhu yettu ompathu pathu
Afro-Asiatic

Semitic
Arabic wa:h.id ithna:n thala:thah 'arba'ah xamsah sittah sab'ah thama:niyyah tis'ah 'asharah
Modern Hebrew 'axat shtayim shalosh 'arba xamesh shesh sheva' shmone tesha 'eser
Amharic and hulät sost arat ammist siddist säbat simmint zät'äññ asir
Tigrinya hade kelette sälästes 'arba'te hammushte shuddushte shob'atte shommänte tosh'atte 'assärte
CW Gurage at kwet sost arbät amest sedest säbat sumut zhätä aser
Shilha yan sin krad kkuz semmus sdis sa ttam ttza mraw
Kabyle wah.ed ju,j tlata rebea xemsa setta sebea tmanya tesea eecr.a
Omotic
Walamo (Ometo) ista naa?a hezza oydda iccaca usuppuna laappuna hoospuna
Cushitic
Somali mid-ki lába-di sádehh-dí áfar-ti shan-ti lehh-di todòba-di sidèd-di sagàl-kí tòban-ki
Oromo (Galla) tokko lama sadii afur shan ja?a torba saddeet sagal kud'a
Chadic
Hausa d`aya biyu ukù hud`u bìyar shidà bakwài takwàs tarà go:ma
Caucasian

Georgian erti ori sami otxi xuti ekvsi shvidi rva cxra ati
Nilo-Saharan

Luo achiel ariyo adek angwen abich auchiel abiriyo aboro ongachiel apar
Dinka tok róu dyak 'nguan wdyech wdetem wderóu bêt wde-nguan wtyer
Kanuri tilo ndi yakke dege uwu araske tulur wusku legar mewu
Songhai fo hinka hinja taaci gu iddu iyye yaaha yagga woy
Niger-Congo

Mande
Malinke kiling fula saba nani lulu woro worõ-ula segi konõto tã
Bambara kelen fila saba naani duuru wòoro wolonfla segi kòno:ntò tan
Dyula kele fila sawa nani luri woro woromvla syegi konondo tã
Mende yilá felé sawá nááni lóólu wóíta wófela wáyákpá táálú pu
West Atlantic
Fulani (Fula) go'o d`id`- tat- nay- jow- joweego'o joweed`id`- joweetat- joweenay- sappo
Wolof benn nyaar nyett nyent dyuroom dyuroom benn dyuroom nyaar dyuroom nyett dyuroom nyent fukk
Temne p'in pârâng pâ-sa:s p'angle tr'amat tr'amat ro k'in tr'amat de râng tr'amat re sas tr'amat ro ng'angle tr'ofatr
Kisi -pile -mun -ña -holu -ngwenu -ngwompum -ngwom--mew -ngwommaa -ngwommaholu to
North Central
Bete blo so ta mona ngbi ngbopro ngbiso ngbota ngbumona koba
Mossi (More) yémbò yiibú tããbó naasé nú~u~ yoobé yopoe níì wáe píiga
Gurma ye:l nIe nta nna nnu nlwob lule nnii nyie pig
Sango óko óse otá osió ukú omaná mbásámbárá miombe ngombáyá bale óko
Zande sa ue biata biama bisue bisue bati sa bisue bati ue bisue bati biata bisue bati biama báwe

South Central
Ijo kenÍ maamú tàáru nóín sónrón sòn'die sónóma níníni isé óí
Akan (Twi) ekó abien' abiêsá anán anúm asiá asón awotwe akrón edú
Ewe deká eve eto ene ató~ adé adré enyí enyíde ewó
Fong d,ê wè àtòn ènè àtóòn àyìzén tènwè tàntòn tènnè wô
Yoruba ení èjì èta èrin àrún èfà èje èjo èsán èwá
Bini (Edo) ókpá èvá èhá èné ìsén éhàn ìhínròn èrènrén ìhìnrín ìgbé
Ibo (Igbo) otu aboa ato anô ise isi asa asato iteghete iri
Efik kyèt ìba ìtá ìnang ìtyôn ìtyôkyet ìtyâba ìtyâitá ùsúk-kyèt dwòp
Non-Bantu Bantoid
Tiv mòm' -hár' -tár' -nyíìn` -táàn` átárátár' -táàn` kàr` -hár' ányíghènyíì -táàn` kàr` -nyíìn` púwè

Bantu
Duala -wó -bâ -lálò -neí -tánù mutóba sâmbá lombi dibuá dóm
Fang fokh bè lal né tan samé nzanggwal ôngwam ébul awôm
Lingala (Losengo) moko mibale misato minei mitano motoba nsambo mwambe libwa jomi
Kikuyu û-mwe î-îrî î-tatû î-na î-tano î-tandatû mûgwanja î-nana kenda ikûmi
Kamba i~mwe ili~ itatu~ inya ita:no thanthatu~ mu~onza nyanya kenda i~ku~mi
Nyamwezi -mó -BÍli -dátu -ne -táanó -tandáto m`púúngatÍ m`naáné keendaá ikumí
Swahili moja mbili tatu nne tano sita saba nane tisa kumi
Kikongo koxi kole kutatu kuya kutanu kusambanu nsambwadi enana evwa ekumi
Kimbundu moxi iari tatu uana tanu samanu sambuari nake ivua kuinii
Luganda emu bbiri ssatu nnya ttaano mukaaga musanvu munaana mwenda kkumi
Luhya -lala -bili -taru -ne -raano -sasaba musaafu munaane shienda ekhumi
Rwanda limwe kabili gatatu kane gatanu gatandatu kalindwi umunani icyenda icumi
Rundi -mwe -biri -tatu -ne -ta:nu -tandatu indwi umuna:ni i-ce:nda i-cumi
Nyankole -mwe -Biri -shatu -na -taano omsha:nzhu omnaana omwe:nda ikumi
Nkore-Kiga emwe ibiri ishatu ina itaano mukaaga mushanju munaana mwenda ikumi
Chokwe káxi kári tátu uana mu-tânu mu-sambânu ximbiári nake ívua kúmi
Luba mó 'bili 'satu 'nna táno sámba habúlwa mwánda mwánda kítema ií-kumi
Bemba cimo fibili fitatu fine fisano mutanda cine lubali cine konse konse pabula ikumi limo
Nyanja chimodzi ziwiri zitatu zinai zisanu zisanu ndi chimodzi zisanu ndi ziwiri zisanu ndi zitatu zisanu ndi zinai khumi
Makonde -mo -vili -tatu -nsheshe mwanu mwanu na -mo mwanu na -vili mwanu na -tatu mwanu na nsheshe kumi
Makua èmózà píli tháru xéxè tânu tânu ná mózà tânu ná píli tânu ná tháru tânu ná xéxè m'lókò
Shona motsi piri tatu china shanu tanhatu chinomwe rusere pfumbamwe gumi
Setswana mongwe- fêla bababêch babararo babanê babatlhano babarataro bashupa bafêra menô êmêbedi bafêra monô ole mongwe leshomê
N Sotho tee pedi tharo nne hlano tshela shupa seswai senyane lesome
Sesotho te' veli raro nne xlano selela shupa phetha phetha momo o' te' lesome
Xhosa nye b`ini thathu ne hlanu thandathu sosixhenxe sosibhozo solithoba solishumi
Zulu nye bili tatu ne hlanu isitupa isikombisa shiyangalombili shiyagalolunye ishumi
Swazi (Swati) -nyé -bilí -tsâtfu -ne -sihlánu -si--tfûpha -li--sôntfo -siphóhlôngo -yimfîcá -li--shûmi
Ndebele -nye -bili -thathu -ne -hlanu isithupha isikhombisa ficaminwembili ficamunwemunye itshumi
Tsonga n'we -mbirhi -nharhu mune ntlhanu tsevu nkombo nhungu kaye khume
Ronga -ñwe -birji -rjarju mune ntlhanu ntlhanu na xiñwe ntlhanu na bsibirji ntlhanu na bsirjarju ntlhanu na mune khume
Tonga Imhambane -mwi -bili -tatu -ne -sanu -sanu mu--mwi -sanu mu--bili -sanu mu--tatu -sanu mu--ne ikumi
Uralic

Finnic
Finnish yksi kaksi kolme neljä viisi kuusi seitsemän kahdeksan yhdeksän kymmenen
Estonian üks kaks kolm neli viis kuus seitse kaheksa üheksa kümme
Mordvin veike kavto kolmi nile vete koto sisem kavkso veikse kemen'
Ugric
Hungarian egy ketto" három négy öt hat hét nyolc kilenc tíz
Altaic

Turkic
Turkish bir iki üç dört bes, alti yedi sekiz dokuz on
Turkmen bir iki uch dört besh alti yedi sekiz dokuz on
Azerbaijani bir iki üch dörd besh altI yeddi säkkiz dogguz on
Uyghur bir ikki üch tört bæsh altæ yættæ sækkiz toqquz on
Uzbek bir ikki uch tûrt besh olti yetti sakkiz tûkkiz ûn
Bashkir ber ike ös dürt bish altI ete higedh tughIdh un
Tatar ber ike öch dürt bish altï jide sigez tugïz un
Kazakh bir yeki ush tort bes alti zhetti segiz toghiz on
Kyrghyz bir eki üch tört besh alty jeti segiz toghuz on
Chuvash per ik vizh'e tavat pilek ult zh'ic sakar taxar vun
Korean

Korean hana tul set net tasôt yôsôt ilgop yôdôl ahop yôl
Sino-Korean il i sam sa o yuk ch'il p'al ku sip
Japanese

native Japanese hitotsu futatsu mittsu yottsu itsutsu muttsu nanatsu yattsu kokonotsu to:
Sino-Japanese ichi ni san shi go roku shichi hachi ku juu
Miao-Yao

Miao (Hmong) ib ob peb plaub tsib rau xyaa yim cuaj kaum
Mien (Yao) yietc i buo biei biaa juqv siec hietc nduoh ziepc
Tai

Northern Li i trau s'u s'o pa tom thau au fe fuot
Southern Li ki dau s'u s'a:u ma nom thu du pe phuot
Thai nyng2 song3 sa:m3 si:2 ha:4 hog2 ced2 ped2 kazh4 sib2
Lao neu:ng 33 sohng 214 sam 214 si 33 ha 31 ho:k 44 che:t 44 bpaat 31 gow: 53 si:p 44
Shan nu.ng 51 s'ång 51 s'a:m 15 s'i: 11 ha: 51 ho:k 44 sit 44 pit 11 kau 51 s'ip 44
Puyi deu1 song1 sam1 si5 ha3 zok7 ch'at pet7 ku3 ch'ip8
Austro-Asiatic

Mon-Khmer
Vietnamese mô.t hai ba bô'n nâm sáu báy tám chín mu'ò'i
Khmer muy pir bei buon pra:m pra:m muy pra:m pil pra:m bei pra:m buon da:p
Munda
Mundari mid baria apia upunia mon.r.ea turuia ea írilia area gelea
Santali mit ba:r-ea pä-a: po:n-ei: må~å~ turu:i e:a:e ira:l a:rü gül
Sino-Tibetan

Sinitic
Mandarin yi 55 er 51 san 55 sì 51 wu 214 liu 51 qi 55 ba 55 ji 214 shi 35
Shanghainese i? 5 liã 13 se 53 sz 35 ng 13 lo? 13 chhi? 5 pa? 5 jigh 35 she? 1
Cantonese yat 55 yih 22 saam 55 sei 33 ngh 35 luhk 22 chat 55 baat 33 gáu 35 sahp 22
N. Min (Fúzhou) sio? 4 lang 242 sang 44 se 213 ngo 242 lek 4 chhek 23 paik 23 kau 31 sek 4
S. Min (Xiàmén) chit 5 nng 33 sã 55 si 11 gô 33 lak 5 chhit 32 poe? 32 kau 51 tsap 5
Hakka (Siyan) yt 21 ñi 42 sam 44 si 42 ng 31 liuk 21 tshit 21 pat 21 kiu 31 ship 5
Bai (Minchia) ji 44 a 31 kou 33 sa 55 s;i 44 mu 33 fv 44 ts;hi 44 pia 44 ts;y 33 tsi 42
Tibeto-Burman
Tibetan (Bhotia) chi nyi sum shi nga truk. dün gye gu chu
Burmese tiq hniq thoùn lè ngà c'auq k'un-hniq shiq kò s'eh
Austronesian

Western
Northern Philippines
Ilokano maysa dua tallo uppat lima innem pito walo siam sangapulo
Meso-Philippine
Tagalog isá dalawá tatló ápat limá ánim pitó waló siyám sampû
Bikol (Naga) saró' duwá tuló apát limá anóm pitó waló siyám sampúlo'
Cebuano usá duhá tulú upát limá unúm pitú walú siyám napúluq
Ilonggo isá duhá tátlu ápata limá ánum pitú walú siyám púluq
Celebes
Buginese seua dua tellu eppa lima enneng pitu arua asera pulo
Borneo
Malagasy iráy róa télo éfatra dímy énina fíto válo sívy fólo
Kapuas (Ngaju) ijé dué teló epat limé jahawen oju hanga jalatien sapuluh
Sundic
Javanese siji loro telu papat lima enem pitu wolu sanga sepuluh
Sundanese hidji dua tilu opat lima genep tudjuh dalapan salapan sapuluh
Balinese sa dua telu empat lima enem pitu akutus asia adasa
Batak (Toba) sada duwa tolu opat lima onom pitu uwalu siga sappalu
Madurese settong dhy tello' empa' lema' ennem petto' ballu' sanga' sapolo
Minangkabau ciek duo tigo ampek limo anam tujuah salapan sambilan puluah
Indonesian (Malay) satu dua tiga empot lima enam tudjuh delapan sembilan sepuluh
Achinese sa duwa lhee peuet limöng nam tujôh lapan sikureueng plôh
Aztec-Tanoan

Nahuatl ce ome eyi nahui macuilli chicuace chicome chicueyi chiconahui ma'tlactli
Penutian

Quiché hun cab ox cah oo vacac vucub vahxac beleh lahuh
Andean

Quechua A huk ishkay kima chusku pitsqa hoqta qanchis puwaq isqun chunka
Quechua B huk iskay kimsa tawa pichqa soqta qanchis pusaq isqon chunka
Aymara maya paya quimsa pusi phesqa sojhta paqallqo quimsaqallqo llätunca tunca
Equatorial

Guarani peteî mokôi mbohapï irundï po poteî pokôi poapï porundï popá
Pidgins and Creoles

Tok Pisin wan tu tri foa faiv sikis seven et nain ten
Haitian Creole youn dé twa kat senk sis sét uit néf dis

http://www.zompist.com/million.htm

To me Bantu people are like the Slavs of Africa, which is said btw. Like the Slavic people, people ignore Bantu people and their history(including Africanist themselves!). Many people usually focus on West Africa, East Africa(Horn) or Egypt/Nubia. But also ignore Bantu contribution. Bantu people have civilizations from Kongo kingdom, Great Zimbabwe and the Swahili states(which imo beats Ancient Egypt in certain things). Yet we really we do not know much about Bantu civilizations. Heck we don't even know much about Great Zimbabwe. Bantu contribution to Africa should be noticed more.

Stranglehold: To me Bantu people are like the Slavs of Africa, which is said btw. Like the Slavic people, people ignore Bantu people and their history(including Africanist themselves!). Many people usually focus on West Africa, East Africa(Horn) or Egypt/Nubia. But also ignore Bantu contribution. Bantu people have civilizations from Kongo kingdom, Great Zimbabwe and the Swahili states(which imo beats Ancient Egypt in certain things). Yet we really we do not know much about Bantu civilizations. Heck we don't even know much about Great Zimbabwe. Bantu contribution to Africa should be noticed more.

True words.

*Kails*:


True words.

Thanks.

Northeast Africans are the Southern Europeans of Africa. Southern Europeans like Spaniards, Sicilians and Greeks. Like Southern Europeans people question Northeast Africans 'races'. People question if Southern Europeans are truly 'white', while other peole question if Northeast Africans are 'black'.

KidStranglehold:

Thanks.

Northeast Africans are the Southern Europeans of Africa. Southern Europeans like Spaniards, Sicilians and Greeks. Like Southern Europeans people question Northeast Africans 'races'. People question if Southern Europeans are truly 'white', while other peole question if Northeast Africans are 'black'.

eh. that's true.
well i have seen discussions about them (southern europeans) on other cites,
but as i have said before the entire area is full of mutts.

i think a lot of the racism today has blinded a lot of people from knowing that race mixing is ancient.
there was a time where race itself was not a factor, but rather class was the issue.

[how could we go from an era where an african of nobility in Rome could own white slaves, and claim there wasn't any race mixing?]

So if you could imagine that, there is no doubt there was a lot a of mixing happening esp. in those areas
where there was easy access to one another.

PhysicsQED: I don't think they were "influenced" at all, because the way I see it, diversification/differentiation of languages was the reason for the split of Bantu from non-Bantu and the Bantu languages are just a more recent unique subgroup of "Niger Congo" that attained a very large size/popultion of speakers

...Niger-Congo languages that was derived in non-Bantu West African languages from "muntu" or variations on "muntu", I would actually see it as a remnant of an even older original language from which Niger Congo languages and Afroasiatic languages emerged. Look at the word and compare it with Hebrew and Arabic (Afroasiatic languages):


Yoruba:

omo - child (omo is also child for Edo and umu is child for Igbo)

Edo:

omwan - person

emwan - people

Igbo:

umunna - children/descendants (umu) of the same father (nna)

Arabic:

ummah - commmunity or nation

Hebrew:

ummah - nation




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah


There are other examples, of

There is a very fierce The weird thing about the debate is that it is rarely acknofi that human languages are not discrete, but form a kind of continuum with languages in between different extremes or endpoints with respect to different aspects/features and words, so classifying a language as being closer to one group than another does not really cordon off that group into a "separate" branch of humanity like some people involved in that debate are making it seem. At the end of the day, every group is just a subgroup of an older original group until you go back to the very start of humanity.

PhysicsQED I recently stumbled onto this topic myself when examining worldwide concepts of "life-force", which quite obviously show the "d.n.a" of african concepts of energy or even spirituality. This somehow lead me to the study of the very words you used in the quoted post, and many more in regards to fundamental words. I would certainly like to work with you and compare infomation and perhaps learn from one another as I have come to the same conclusion as you regarding likely ancient human origin of such fundamental words as "person". Indeed what we are touching on is very much like what the human genome project was to blood ancestry except here it is the "d.n.a" of the languages of the world. Please send me an email or give me a call. Or even someone else who has similar info. We should colaborate. "umuntu ngmuntu ngbantu". merk3m@gmail.com And LeMark 714-733-0230. Very exciting topic, and I certainly have insight regarding the topic that I am a bit protective of until I feel it is appropriate, and in the right company.

I am impressed by observations made in this article. It is interesting that far away in West Africa some peoples refer to a child as 'omu' or 'omo'; 'omuan' for person and umunna for children . The Bukusu (a subgroup of the Luyia) in Kenya say 'omuana' for a child and 'babana' for children, while 'omundu' is a person. I begin feeling the urge to get more word relationships from these ethnic groups. I think we are one and the same people unless geneticists say otherwise.

mwanawefwe: I am impressed by observations made in this article. It is interesting that far away in West Africa some peoples refer to a child as 'omu' or 'omo'; 'omuan' for person and umunna for children . The Bukusu (a subgroup of the Luyia) in Kenya say 'omuana' for a child and 'babana' for children, while 'omundu' is a person. I begin feeling the urge to get more word relationships from these ethnic groups. I think we are one and the same people unless geneticists say otherwise.

Nice to have you on this thread. Your contributions are needed no matter how little it is. Tell me, why are Luhyas referred to as Bantus when your language is heavily influenced by Nilote words. I have a theory that Luhya, Luos and the Yorubas had some form of relationships as far as 4000-5000 yrs ago with the focal point in ancient Misri. The frequent use of O's and A's in many words of these three African groups is enough suspicion and not coincident, so to say. What is your opinion, sir?

mwanawefwe: I am impressed by observations made in this article. It is interesting that far away in West Africa some peoples refer to a child as 'omu' or 'omo'; 'omuan' for person and umunna for children . The Bukusu (a subgroup of the Luyia) in Kenya say 'omuana' for a child and 'babana' for children, while 'omundu' is a person. I begin feeling the urge to get more word relationships from these ethnic groups. I think we are one and the same people unless geneticists say otherwise.

That's interesting, you saw a similarity with the west African languages and I with yours but not with the west african ones.
The words you used are similar to the baSotho language words for the same thing (nguana and bana) and the omundu is similar to umuntu in the Nguni languages which in some places is pronounced as umundu, ndebeles and some swazi dialects do. Nwana is child in xiTsonga and chiVenda.
Someone mentioned before the Igbo(west african) equivalent is Nwa.

The words in Bukusu are definitely bantu, if you said them in South Africa we'd know what you were talking about because even the singular and plural follow the same logic or rhythm. Its amazing to see how the words have evolved like just looking at the words for elephant that I've seen in this thread which are jobo, joko, njoku, njogu, ndovu, ndlovu I would have never linked the first with the last, so depending on where you look you might not see that there's a link when there is.

I'm curious, there's a saying in South Africa umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu (a person is a person because of people). I'm curious to know how it would translate into Bukusu.

I LOVE THIS THREAD!

brainwave360:
I'm curious, there's a saying in South Africa umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu (a person is a person because of people). I'm curious to know how it would translate into Bukusu.

In my language (kikuyu) that translates into mundu ni mundu niundu wa andu and in kiswahili its mtu ni mtu kwasababu ya watu. Let's resurrect the thread people, let's compare words.

I've been hearing the word my heart in various bantu languages used in love songs
moyo wangu or roho yangu - kiswahili
muoyo wakwa or ngoro yakwa - kikuyu
motima wange - luganda (not sure)
omotima wanje - luhya (also not sure)

I know in zulu my means wam and me means mina
so
mimi -kiswahili
nie - kikuyu
Also could someone tell me what motema na ngai means, i've heard it in so many lingala songs and i've been crackng my heard about it!

I have noticed Bantus also have different features from us aswell

Bazil:
Well I don't know I've always been thaught. That we bantu people migrated from chad and sudan and egypt area so this nigerian origin u guyz ar talkin about is new to me tho I have to admit that the similarity in the word for person is too much to be a coincidence.
In my language which is fang the word for person is very similar to the ones mentioned previously
Moto
Mbote= plural form

Exactly, that's my understanding as well. West Africa is a new one to me.

TonySpike:


Modern research say they passed through Eastern Nigeria/Western Cameroun while migrating southwards of Africa. However, I don't believe all Bantu groups took this migration path. My believe is that Lake Chad, which was about 300-400 times its size of today in 2500BC, provided the means of water transportation for the Bantus into EN/WC in ancient times.

Of course, the Bantus were once a powerful group occupying the Upper Nile (Southern Egypt) before the migration. Somehow, the recurrent war situations at that time (Hyksos war, I think) may have led them to flee from their original homeland. In their Southwards migration, they first settled in large numbers around Eastern Nigeria/Western Cameroun for a certain period of time. Perhaps, as a result of insufficient land and hostile territory, they started migrating southwards until they arrived South Africa about 3000 years later. Hence, the last known migration occured with the Zulus of South Africa. While migrating, the Bantus left some of their kindred on the lands they passed through. This is the most natural form of colonisation in Africa, perhaps the greatest ever known. This colonisation may explain the seemingly homogeneity in the language spectrum from Central Africa to Southern Africa.

By the way, are you Ugandan? That "Mbote" name reminds me of General Idi-Amin...lol

They were not called Zulus then but the Nguni people. The name Zulus only came about in the time of Shaka.

lepasharon:
I have noticed Bantus also have different features from us aswell

Very different especially women. Most Bantu women have curves whether Kenya, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Namibia South Africa.

Facial differences I have noticed are- West Africans have more bolder and bigger features nose, mouth, eyes etc.

brainwave360:


That's interesting, you saw a similarity with the west African languages and I with yours but not with the west african ones.
The words you used are similar to the baSotho language words for the same thing (nguana and bana) and the omundu is similar to umuntu in the Nguni languages which in some places is pronounced as umundu, ndebeles and some swazi dialects do. Nwana is child in xiTsonga and chiVenda.
Someone mentioned before the Igbo(west african) equivalent is Nwa.

The words in Bukusu are definitely bantu, if you said[img][/img] them in South Africa we'd know what you were talking about because even the singular and plural follow the same logic or rhythm. Its amazing to see how the words have evolved like just looking at the words for elephant that I've seen in this thread which are jobo, joko, njoku, njogu, ndovu, ndlovu I would have never linked the first with the last, so depending on where you look you might not see that there's a link when there is.

I'm curious, there's a saying in South Africa umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu (a person is a person because of people). I'm curious to know how it would translate into Bukusu.

Nwa = Child in Igbo
Nwanna = Fathers child. Nna means father. When a person refers to u as Nwanna, it's like they are calling you their fathers child (sibling)

Umu = children in Igbo
Umunna = Father's children (i.e siblings)
Similar to Umundu is Nmadu (Igbo word for person)

Phut:

Nwa = Child in Igbo
Nwanna = Fathers child. Nna means father. When a person refers to u as Nwanna, it's like they are calling you their fathers child (sibling)
Umu = children in Igbo
Umunna = Father's children (i.e siblings)
Similar to Umundu is Nmadu (Igbo word for person)

This definitely confirms the bantus had some contact with the Igbos, i am not sure about other nigerian tribes though

Although in all bantus languages i have come across, the father is usually ()baba and the child is usually a variant of ()(m/n)()wana

pkjag:

This definitely confirms the bantus had some contact with the Igbos, i am not sure about other nigerian tribes though

Also, like PhysicsQED stated, Umunna can also be used to signify, descendants

pkjag:

In my language (kikuyu) that translates into mundu ni mundu niundu wa andu and in kiswahili its mtu ni mtu kwasababu ya watu. Let's resurrect the thread people, let's compare words.

I've been hearing the word my heart in various bantu languages used in love songs
moyo wangu or roho yangu - kiswahili
muoyo wakwa or ngoro yakwa - kikuyu
motima wange - luganda (not sure)
omotima wanje - luhya (also not sure)

I know in zulu my means wam and me means mina
so
mimi -kiswahili
nie - kikuyu
Also could someone tell me what motema na ngai means, i've heard it in so many lingala songs and i've been crackng my heard about it!

Translation for "my heart"

Muoyo kwanje - Luhya(Idakho)
Ngoo yakwa - Kamba

muafrika:

Translation for "my heart"
Muoyo kwanje - Luhya(Idakho)
Ngoo yakwa - Kamba

Thanks for the correction, are you a mlunje muafrika?

pkjag:

Thanks for the correction, are you a mlunje muafrika?

I am.
And you could be right too. We speak different according to sub tribes.