Mr. Globe:
hahahahaha. Akon picked lady gaga when she was dropped by her label, I think also produced that just dance song that made her famous. of course you know Jay z made Beyonce and Rihanna. what are you saying

~Royal~:
I am not sure she knows what she is saying.

She basically thought Hip Hop Artist/Rap Artist did not sell as well and had a small purchasing population...

Until she was hit in the face by a bunch of Irrefutable Numerical Data...

It is, what it is.

ogugua88:

You don't know what you're talking about. Maroon 5 has been consistent since their debut in 2003. If anything, they've only gotten bigger with the release of every album.

Rihanna, Lady Gaga, and Katy Perry are irrelevant?

ogugua88: Rappers carry last, always. They only attract the same sort of people. They aren't widespread. I guarantee you he can walk in Nevada and no one will know him or care, but if he walks in Georgia, people will flock to him. That's how it's always been.

ogugua88:

Akon handpicked Lady Gaga, sure. He didn't feature on her song and then use his fame to bolster her own. Beyonce made Beyonce, or were Destiny's Child nobodies too? Rihanna was already played on the radio and popular before "Umbrella".

You're shifting your argument. Initially, you said hiphop and rap artists featured on tracks to make pop stars who they were. Now you're talking of production. What ich way?

Mr. Globe:
I just keep laughing at your post. pls when did Maroon 5 have their last number 1, no, top 10 single?

I never said Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Katy Perry are irrelevant, I said hip hop made them famous. Rihanna - Jayz, Lady Gaga - Akon, Katy Perry - Kanye West and Snoop Dog, Taylor Swift - Kanye West. Those were their claim to fame

ogugua88:

Or maybe you didn't read what I said. I said nobody swarms to Rick Ross the way Nigerians do. I never spoke about album-selling and chart stats. I said Rick Ross isn't widespread the way Rihanna, Lady Gaga, and Katy Perry are. Rick Ross can't do a show in Japan or Russia the way those girls do. Check the demographics of rap albums being sold. They pull the same people. That's what rappers have been fighting for years. They want more exposure.

You and Globe should learn how to respond to someone's opinion rather than digress with irrelevant facts.

Mr. Globe:
more gibberish. how many black people buy Katy Perrys album. how do you define your demographic. I will rather choose to sell 1million copies of my record in one place than sell 100k 'widespreadly' that's going by your logic. you are not making any sense

~Royal~:


I responded to this quote and this quote only, How are my statistics irrelevant when you made a false incorrect claim about "Rappers carry last"

You were just flat out wrong, and ignorant in your statement

All i did is flashed some Light on how Ignorant it was

You were wrong, but instead of admitting you were wrong you want to act like a stereotypical black bird and argue.

As if your quotes have not been quoted smh lol

Explain the stupidity in your quote Above.

~Royal~:


I responded to this quote and this quote only, How are my statistics irrelevant when you made a false incorrect claim about "Rappers carry last"

You were just flat out wrong, and ignorant in your statement

All i did is flashed some Light on how Ignorant it was

You were wrong, but instead of admitting you were wrong you want to act like a stereotypical black bird and argue.

As if your quotes have not been quoted smh lol

Explain the stupidity in your quote Above.

ogugua88: I'm not changing the argument at all. I stand by what I said. Rick Ross is not as popular as mainstream popstars. Simple. Some people turn the radio dial JUST because it's a rap song. Wake up.

ogugua88:

Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl" (controversial song) made her famous. Lady Gaga's "Just Dance" made her famous [her very first track took the nation by storm]. Rihanna was famous before "Umbrella".

ogugua88:

Katy Perry doesn't have to have a black majority as an audience. Blacks buy pop albums. Most of the people that buy rap albums are blacks. If blacks didn't buy rap albums, then rap albums wouldn't sell. Try and refute that claim.

Mr. Globe:
you don't even know how these people became famous in the first place. It was snoop dogs song with Katy Perry that brought her into the the lime light the one with Kanye sealed it. I told you to stop calling Rihanna if you thought it was only umbrella jayz did for her. You didn't watch when he was introducing her on 106 and park on bet. For lady gaga go watch the just dance video.

ogugua88: I'm not changing the argument at all. I stand by what I said. Rick Ross is not as popular as mainstream popstars. Simple. Some people turn the radio dial JUST because it's a rap song. Wake up.

ogugua88: I'm not changing the argument at all. I stand by what I said. Rick Ross is not as popular as mainstream popstars. Simple. Some people turn the radio dial JUST because it's a rap song. Wake up.

ogugua88:

You're absolutely wrong. "I Kissed A Girl" caused a media storm. Katy Perry was already topping charts with that track, as well as "Hot and Cold" and her Vegas song before her second album.

You said these artists were famous for [b]features. I'm going based on what you said, no one's talking about Jay-Z's first feature with Rihanna was "Umbrella", a track on her third album. Was she famous before that? Yes or no? I know Jay-Z signed her, I'm no fool. I'm going based on what you said, which was features/collabos. Same goes for Lady Gaga.

~Royal~:



Rick Ross...Yes

but you did not say Rick Ross...

You said...

"Rappers carry Last"

were they carrying last when eminem was pushing 14 million units?

were they carrying last when 50 cent pushed 10 million units?

Are they carrying last with this bum 2chainz on top of the Charts as we speak?

~Royal~:
Rick Ross...Yes

but you did not say Rick Ross...

You said...

"Rappers carry Last"

were they carrying last when eminem was pushing 14 million units?

were they carrying last when 50 cent pushed 10 million units?

Are they carrying last with this bum 2chainz on top of the Charts as we speak?

Mr. Globe:
It was umbrella that broke Rihanna into the mainstream. case closed. Admit you don't know how Katy Perry became famous. Go find out her biggest song

ogugua88:

You're the only one talking about units. I wasn't talking about units. I was clearly talking about popularity. Pop artists can perform wherever they like. Rappers can't, not unless you're mainstream and a household name like Snoop, Eminem, and 50 Cent. Out of the three of them, Eminem is considered the hardest. Snoop is a family man singing/rapping pop songs now and 50 Cent was mainstream from day 1. I honestly can't recall a rapper that came out as a hardcore rapper and crossed bridges while they were hardcore. I'm not old enough to know how Tupac and Biggie were doing while they were alive, but they achieved it in death.

Mainstream artists do just fine in terms of album sales and success. You know fully well though that if this was back in the 90s, no one would be giving them time of day, especially when politicians like Tipper Gore was pursuing them. Luckily things are changing. I, personally, don't think that things today are that much better than the 90s. The stations that used to play rap where I live have either been taken over and play mainstream (Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Drake) or stopped targeting the rap fans altogether. There's another station that has a slogan as "Today's best hits, without the rap". Imagine that.

It's complete bull of course, but it is what it is. Rappers have bigger obstacles than Jessie J and the likes. That's all I've been trying to say. It may be 2012, but people STILL run away from rap and the image that it brings or represents. That's how it's been since the 1980s.

ogugua88:

Rihanna didn't know superstardom until "Umbrella" came out. I think I told you that earlier. However, she was famous before that track with "Pon de Replay", "SOS", and a few others.

Permit me to use Wikipedia until I find a better source. According to Wiki, Katy Perry's biggest song is "I Kissed A Girl". I keep telling you that that song caused a media storm, not just in the US but worldwide because of its controversial lyrics. For that reason alone, people loved the song and her as she was edgy and didn't conform like other pop stars do, and she's still like that. If you don't remember, then just say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Perry_discography

ogugua88:

You're the only one talking about units. I wasn't talking about units. I was clearly talking about popularity. Pop artists can perform wherever they like. Rappers can't, not unless you're mainstream and a household name like Snoop, Eminem, and 50 Cent. Out of the three of them, Eminem is considered the hardest. Snoop is a family man singing/rapping pop songs now and 50 Cent was mainstream from day 1. I honestly can't recall a rapper that came out as a hardcore rapper and crossed bridges while they were hardcore. I'm not old enough to know how Tupac and Biggie were doing while they were alive, but they achieved it in death.

~Royal~:

I was talking about Popularity as Well. I gave examples of the Hip Hop Stranglehold on Popularity from both Demographics

And you said you can't recall a hardcore rapper that has crossed bridges while they were hardcore

50 cent was not a household name...he is the answer to your question

He was a Hardcore rapper who crossed over and had his highest success during his "gangsta" image

After he got soft, and turned pop...making videos with Justin timberlake...people stopped buying his music.

50 Cent was not Mainstream since day 1.

Ill give you a Rapper right now...

"The Game"

His main album sold over 5 million when he was with Aftermath.

He was killing the charts.

Hip Hop music has a Strangle Hold on popularity they dominate the Triple headed monster, Television,Charts,Urban Mega Cities

Why are Media Whoores like Kim K chasing after Hip Hop Artist instead of artist from majority white genre's if Hip Hop artist are not the most Popular?

Don't say it's race because there are Black Artist from Other Music Genre