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Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 5:11pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Kay 17: I didnt intend to say much, however Regy, you are making a single mistake: the role of the Bible. You seem to judge the Catholics for not strictly following the Bible to the letter as Pentecostals are expected to. even a die had atheist and evolutionist will defend catholic against the bible. Smh. Satan is at work. Is this atheist forgetting "there is no god" according to him? Or, do you and RCC serve the same purpose? Well, anything can happened, afteral, most of the atheist are RCC members and former Catholics. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 5:20pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Reyginus: What are we then talking about. What do now make of the place christ preached to? Angels held in a condition that they cannot enter into heaven and cannot materialised into humans. Traped in that state. They cannot mixe freely with Yahweh's holy angles and cannot come back to human form like they did in noah's day. = prison = restricted freedom. Does not mean that they are held in a geographical location. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 7:01pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
I wonder how one looks @ this verse and concludes it was talking about angels.The verse clearly says only eight people in all were saved through water.was it angels that was saved in Noah's boat? 1 Peter 3:18-22 New International Version (NIV) 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 7:01pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
I wonder how one looks @ this verse and concludes it was talking about angels.The verse clearly says only eight people in all were saved through water.was it angels that was saved in Noah's boat? 1 Peter 3:18-22 New International Version (NIV) 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 7:14pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Verse 6 of chapter 4 even explains it more explicitly.The good news was preached to the dead.do angels die? 1 Peter 4:5-6 New International Version (NIV) 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Rich4god(m): 7:16pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Reyginus: Read Post 1-7 again.The last time i checked, those stuff you quoted are traditions of the church and were not added to the bible. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Rich4god(m): 7:20pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
truthislight:Na wa 4 you guy... You asked for a bible quote about purgatory, which i provided. But now you are talking about truth... Which truth again do you need. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 7:21pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Reyginus: Read Post 1-7 again. That verse was not talking about the bible.The bible didn't exist then.Even the book of revelation itself was disputed and was almost left out of the bible. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 9:39pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Tinablack: Shame 2 Christainity!!!! I love U Christ bt I hate U Christains, cos U r nt like ur Christ!It's not like that my sister. You don't have to hiss. We're not quarrelling nor bashing any belief, rather, we are trying to understand the authenticity of the things we hold onto. 1 Like |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 9:49pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Kay 17: I didnt intend to say much, however Regy, you are making a single mistake: the role of the Bible. You seem to judge the Catholics for not strictly following the Bible to the letter as Pentecostals are expected to.Kay, I'm not judging the catholic church, neither do I assume the practise of the pentecostals as supreme. For the records, I'm yet to see any pentecostal church bereft of errors. It's not a matter of self-righteousness. Explaining the roles the bible play would be tedious, but not the other way round. Do you have any problem with the things up there? |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 10:03pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
ijawkid:No, Ijawkid. That I defined the soul as '..the state of existence..' doesn't entail what you're insinuating. Certainly not. I think it's time I quote verse 20 'These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that noah was building his boat. The few people in the boat-eight in all-were saved by the water'. Let's be sincere please. What do you understand by the first sentence in that verse? |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 10:11pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
truthislight:Truth, I think we would have to understand who that scripture was refering to before any further thing. As far as I can tell, symbolism was not employed in that passage. Their is no need to cut and join scripture in this case. I think the verse is too direct for that. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 10:26pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Rich4god:The last time I checked, Rev 22:18, never emphasized on adding of traditions to the bible, but on inculcating 'new' teachings, antagonistic to the ones prescribed in the bible. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 10:31pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
chukwudi44:No, it is. I think your understanding of the what is meant by 'bible' is hindering you here. I understand the 'bible' to be, the word of God. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by ijawkid(m): 10:47pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Reyginus: No, Ijawkid. That I defined the soul as '..the state of existence..' doesn't entail what you're insinuating. Certainly not. Which bible re-endition has the bolded??........ Which translation are you quoting from??...... I don't think any of the bible translations tells us that it was the spirit of those who had not obeyed God....it simply tells us about spirits who were disobedient and not the spirit of those who were disobedient...... Hope you can spot the difference??......... |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Kay17: 10:47pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
@Regy I just feel the discourse will be more focussed if the role of the Bible is talked about. Cos you seem to base all your criticism on the foundations of Catholicism for failing to adhere entirely to the Bible. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 11:23pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Reyginus: No, it is. I think your understanding of the what is meant by 'bible' is hindering you here. I understand the 'bible' to be, the word of God. The Catholic Church created, named and canonized the Bible foR Catholics. We tell you what the Bible is and isn't; you don't tell us. The Bible is the word of God but the Bible (canon of scriptures) is not the only way God transmits his word to us. He also does so through sacred tradition. The New Testament was written by Catholics for Catholics, so you don't explain the Bible to us, we explain to you what God is saying through his Church. The Bible wasn't even addressed to you. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 11:40pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
ijawkid:Good News Bible Version. Maybe, we have to try the NLT bible version then. From NLT ' Those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowing in that terrible flood'. The reference here is still on the people who disobeyed the instructions God gave Noah to pass on. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 11:43pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Kay 17: @RegyKay, the thing is, the moment we begin to focus on the roles the bible plays, and not as I put it, we deviate from 'my problem with catholism'. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 11:49pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
italo:I don't even agree the catholic church gave us the bible. The 'Church' did. The Catholic Church is not as old as the church. They are two different things. That's by the way. GOD transmit His word by many ways, but the thing is, none of these ways must contradict the ways He's already established. 1 Like |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Kay17: 11:55pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Reyginus: Kay, the thing is, the moment we begin to focus on the roles the bible plays, and not as I put it, we deviate from 'my problem with catholism'. That is your real problem with Catholics actually. The foundation of Faith. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Enigma(m): 11:56pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
^^^ Yep, it is very misleading and even fraudulent to say that the [Roman] Catholic Church "created" or "canonized" the Bible or whatever. 1 Like |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 12:01am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Kay 17:That is what I've been doing here if you'd looked at it very well. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Kay17: 12:06am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Enigma: ^^^ Yep, it is very misleading and even fraudulent to say that the [Roman] Catholic Church "created" or "canonized" the Bible or whatever. Only if one can establish the same structure overseeing the Church is the same with the Catholic Church now. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Kay17: 12:08am On Feb 03, 2013 |
I'm going to treat this thread as a matter of history not theology |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by ijawkid(m): 12:11am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: Good News Bible Version. It still does not say it was the spirit of those who disobeyed(spirit of the dead)...........it simply says spirits who were disobedient......... New Living Translation (NLT) 19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison— Precept upon precept from the scriptures has clearly shown that only the wicked demons(spirits) or fallen angels that came down during noahs day were locked up in dense darkness(prison).......no where else in the scripture supports the notion that the spirits of those who were destroyed by the flood during noahs day were kept in some limbo.............. --------------------------------------------------------- If you can clearly show us from that verse that it was the spirit of those who disobeyed(spirit of the dead) that were stored up in prison and not already existing spirit creatures who disobeyed I'll appreciate it............. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 12:17am On Feb 03, 2013 |
ijawkid:Ijawkid, are you playing games with me or you're serious? I don't get why you're deliberately finding it hard to appreciate the subordinate with the main clause. It's not a crime to claim you don't understand the verse. You can take your time. Please, this is a discussion, let's be sincere with ourselves. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 12:27am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: No, Ijawkid. That I defined the soul as '..the state of existence..' doesn't entail what you're insinuating. Certainly not. I dont know where you got that ^^^ (1 Peter 3:19-20). "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." (1 Peter 3:19-20). ..................... Na wao! Smh. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 12:31am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: Truth, I think we would have to understand who that scripture was refering to before any further thing. As far as I can tell, symbolism was not employed in that passage. Their is no need to cut and join scripture in this case. I think the verse is too direct for that. which verse? (1 Peter 3:19-20). "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." (1 Peter 3:19-20). |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 12:36am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Kay 17: @Regy and who should christians follow if not christ and his apostles? Atheist? . |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 12:39am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: Good News Bible Version. is good news bible not a catholic bible? Lol. Smh. Now i have learnt what they do to you people. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Kay17: 12:56am On Feb 03, 2013 |
truthislight: However the Church came before the Bible |
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