Zikkyy:

If erasing Mathew 23 will free you from the tight grip of this pastoral fraud, please do

seriallink:

Is paying tithe to some charlatans part of the bolded *Smh*!!
Why not give to the poor & homeless? Smh again!!!

Goshen360: Well, I can perceive this thread hasn't gone any far and is almost getting derailed. If anyone is to ask question, lets ask questions based on what is posted and discussed. Let's stop all these out of context questions please - we are discussing Hebrews 7 where tithing is Abolished!. If you think I said anything in contrary to biblical truth in EACH of my post, kindly present a superior argument with scriptures against what is said. Thank you all.

Image123:
what fraud? i can't follow your ungodly advice of erasing a Bible chapter. no thanks.

Image123:
what fraud?

Image123:
i already did. Matthew 23:23. You decided to hold on to weighty matters of the law while hypocritically claiming to have discarded the law. Jesus never condemned or spoke against tithes, i can say that in heaven sef.

Image123: debor
Tithe was before biblically before the law, during the law, and after. Hebrews 7 mentions of men that RECEIVE tithes. my church also still receives tithe, clap for us.

You can't fail to see the weightier matters of the law and be bullying the light weights.

Jesus is our Passover and sacrifice. The Scripture plainly teaches of the sacrifices we should offer in the NT which are better and more acceptable. It does nothing of such for tithes, instead Jesus commended and approved it.

Image123:
So, tell me how I'm in bondage please. i thought freedom was in Jesus, you seem to suggest its hinged on tithes. please clarify again.

Image123: debor
Tithe was before biblically before the law, during the law, and after.

Image123: debor
Hebrews 7 mentions of men that RECEIVE tithes.

Image123: debor
You can't fail to see the weightier matters of the law and be bullying the light weights.

Image123: debor
The Scripture plainly teaches of the sacrifices we should offer in the NT which are better and more acceptable. It does nothing of such for tithes, instead Jesus commended and approved it.

debosky:
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The tithing (of agricultural produce) being practiced by the Pharisees and endorsed by Jesus was done according to the law. Is your own tithing according to the law (i.e. comprised of agricultural produce)

Saying Jesus never spoke against tithes isn't in debate here - Jesus didn't 'speak against' wave offerings, '

debosky:

Justice, mercy and faithfulness were weighty matter of the law no doubt, but they did not originate in the law and continue to apply both before and after the law. As a result they cannot be abolished/discarded with the law.

The tithing (of agricultural produce) being practiced by the Pharisees and endorsed by Jesus was done according to the law. Is your own tithing according to the law (i.e. comprised of agricultural produce)?

Saying Jesus never spoke against tithes isn't in debate here - Jesus didn't 'speak against' wave offerings, heave offerings and so on. Are we to observe them because they were not 'spoken against'? Jesus didn't 'speak against' going to the temple to celebrate Passover as a child and actually did so. Are we to also observe this act as well because it wasn't 'spoken against'?

debosky:

Justice, mercy and faithfulness were weighty matter of the law no doubt, but they did not originate in the law and continue to apply both before and after the law. As a result they cannot be abolished/discarded with the law.

The tithing (of agricultural produce) being practiced by the Pharisees and endorsed by Jesus was done according to the law. Is your own tithing according to the law (i.e. comprised of agricultural produce)?

Saying Jesus never spoke against tithes isn't in debate here - Jesus didn't 'speak against' wave offerings, heave offerings and so on. Are we to observe them because they were not 'spoken against'? Jesus didn't 'speak against' going to the temple to celebrate Passover as a child and actually did so. Are we to also observe this act as well because it wasn't 'spoken against'?

debosky:

Justice, mercy and faithfulness were weighty matter of the law no doubt, but they did not originate in the law and continue to apply both before and after the law. As a result they cannot be abolished/discarded with the law.

The tithing (of agricultural produce) being practiced by the Pharisees and endorsed by Jesus was done according to the law. Is your own tithing according to the law (i.e. comprised of agricultural produce)?

Saying Jesus never spoke against tithes isn't in debate here - Jesus didn't 'speak against' wave offerings, heave offerings and so on. Are we to observe them because they were not 'spoken against'? Jesus didn't 'speak against' going to the temple to celebrate Passover as a child and actually did so. Are we to also observe this act as well because it wasn't 'spoken against'?

Joagbaje:

Tithing doesn't have be based on agric produce .was Abraham tithe based on agric produce? People gave money as tithe in the bible .

Those nitty gritty was based on mosaic law. And christ fulfilled them. But the principle of offering still holds.

ujchief: @Goshen,
all these long gramer and fancy diagrams just to justify ur non-tithing?
When Christ departed, He comanded his disciples to stay in Jesusalem, He will send them the Holy spirit who will 'teach them all things'.
I believe in the holy spirit, he teaches us all things. Thus i refrain from arguments and vain talks that dont edify me. Let the holy spirit teach u all things.
I'm a tither and a partner of the gospel. Partnership wasnt defined in the bible, but seeing the need to establish God's kingdom on earth by spreading the gospel, i had to partner to make it work, thats the work of the holy spirit, teaching u all things!

Goshen360: Definition of Biblical Types:

[size=14pt] A type is a preordained representation wherein certain persons, events, and institutions of the O.T. stand for corresponding persons, events, and institutions of the N.T. Types are pictures or object lessons by which God has taught and/or hidden His redemptive plan. [/size] They are a shadow of things to come, not the image of those things (Col. 2:17; Heb. 8:5; 10:1). The Mosaic system, for example, was a kind of kindergarten in which God's people were trained in divine things and taught to look forward to the realities of things yet to come.

For the purpose of edification for the saints of God, there are four (4) classes of biblical types and shadow:

A. Typical Persons:

1. Adam was a type of Christ who was yet to come (Rom. 5:12-21; 2 Cor. 15:45-49).

2. Melchizedek was a type of the eternal priesthood of Christ (Gen. 14:18-24; Heb. 5:5-9; 6:20; 7:1-10, 17); a type of combined kingship and priesthood (Heb. 7:1-3 with Zech. 6:12-13); and a type of eternal existence (Heb. 7:3, 6 with Mic. 5:1-2; Jn. 1:1-3; Heb. 1:.

3. Abraham offering up his only promised son was a type of God offering His only begotten Son (Gen. 22; Jn. 3:16; Heb. 11:17-19).

4. Isaac was a type of the resurrection of Christ (Gen. 22; Heb. 11:19).

5. Moses was a type of Christ as the prophet of God (Dt. 18:15-19; Acts 3:19-26), and of faithfulness (Heb. 3:1-6).

6. Aaron was a type of the high priesthood of Christ (Heb. 5:1-5).

7. Jonah was a type of the death, burial, dissension (into the lower parts of the earth for three days), and resurrection of Christ (Jonah 2; Mt. 12:40; Eph.4:8-10).


B. Typical Events:

1. Some of the events during Israel's wandering in the wilderness were typical of things Christians would face (2 Cor. 10:1-13).

2. The lifting up of the brazen serpent in the wilderness was typical of the crucifixion of Christ and benefits of the cross to be realized by others (Jn. 3:14; Num. 21).

C. Typical Acts:

1. Smiting the rock as in Ex. 17 was typical of Christ being crucified or smitten for men (2 Cor. 10:4).

2. Smiting the rock the second time instead of speaking to it was typical of crucifying Christ afresh (Num. 20; 2 Cor. 10:4; Heb. 6:6).

3. Rejecting the chief cornerstone was typical of the rejection of Christ (Isa. 28:16; Mt. 21:42).

4. The many acts of the priests in the tabernacle worship were typical of various aspects of redemption through Christ: killing animals; shedding and sprinkling blood; burning incense; the showbread; lighting lamps; and the daily and yearly rituals were all typical acts, fulfilled in Christ and His redemptive work (Heb. 7:11-28; 8:1-6; 9:1-28; 10:1-22).

D. Typical Institutions:

1. The whole Mosaic institution of offerings and worship was typical of things to come in the sacrifice and redemptive work of Christ and the worship of God in the true way (Ex. 12-13; 25:1 - 40:38; Heb. 7-10).

2. The Aaronic priesthood, the garments of the priests, and other aspects of the ministry of the law were typical of Christ and His redemptive work (Ex. 28-29; Heb. 7-10).

3. The Sabbath for Israel was typical of the eternal rest in Christ and of that which is to come for all the redeemed (Ex. 20:8-11; 31:12-18; Dt. 5:15; Heb. 4).

4. The feasts of Israel were typical of various aspects of redemption through Christ (Ex. 12; Lev. 23; 2 Cor. 5:7; Heb. 5-10).

5. The temple and all the rituals of worship carried on in it were typical of the same things the tabernacle and its worship were typical of.

6. The tabernacle and temple, their compartments, and furniture were themselves typical of the heavenly tabernacle Christ entered into (Heb. 8:1-5; 9:1-10, 23-24).

Hence, we understand that Melchizedek was a type and shadow of Christ in the “order” of his “king and priest” not in the “person” of Melchizedek himself. If Christ is Melchizedek, it will mean that Christ was a type of himself and scriptures does not teach such. It will also mean Christ lived historically before he was born of a virgin birth. Some also teach that Melchizedek is Shem, such teaching is error because the scripture records the genealogy of Shem but the scripture did not record the genealogy of the historic Melchizedek hence Melchizedek is NOT Shem.

plappville:

Don't you have the Holy spirit and yet you still go to church to hear from your pastor? You should have study
your bible and allow the Holy spirit to minister to you. What your Pastor is doing in the service is not different from what bros....Goshen360 is doing here, abi na because say na through internet?

Goshen360:

Many things like burnt offering also existed before the law. Animal Sacrifices existed before the law. Building stone altars existed before the law. etc.

Christians will also do well doing all of these things sir. They are all types and shadows and all fulfilled in Christ.

What you call Church offering today is NOT according to the law but what the NT church used in the early church for sharing and distributions among the saints. [quote]

There was only a case of persecution . Which made it impossible for movement . They had to feed on what they had. But that didn't last for long.

[quote]Spiritual principles There is nothing spiritual giving - it is physical. Money is physical. Crops and animals are physical

I don't understand this your "spiritual principle" stuff.

Why don't you wait till we all finish our exposition in this Hebrews chapter 7 before you jump to conclude tithing still exist. Even to the Jews, tithing had come to an end, not to talk of Christians

. I thought you wrote an article that the "Law is Abolished". So when the law is abolished, why do only tithe still remain.

God has a financial plan for His church and it is achieved through giving - money, not crops and animal.

Who are the men Jesus told to tithe His disciples or Christian....NT Christianity did NOT start until AFTER the death and resurrection of Christ. So who are the men Jesus told to tithe?

This verse is very clear enough but unfortunately has been the most twisted scriptures to justify tithing. Paul never mentioned tithe or tithing here. Paul clearly was making a comparison of those who "partake of things of the temple and altar" and how they are being cared for to "those who preach the gospel". Look at the scripture again, it say and compare....."live of the things of the temple and altar" COMPARED TO ...."live of the GOSPEL". Does living of things of temple and altar EQUALS live or living of the GOSPEL

Joagbaje:

Of course. Jesus fulfilled the nifty gritty. But the principle of offering still Stands.

Christians will also do well doing all of these things sir. They are all types and shadows and all fulfilled in Christ.

Tithes has nothing to do with the messiah. It's Gods. Jesus didn't fulfill tithing .

What you call Church offering today is NOT according to the law but what the NT church used in the early church for sharing and distributions among the saints.

Goshen360: I have shown you and everyone following this thread and the world from scripture the difference of what the OT called "offerings" and the NT what is called "offerings" in today's church.

, kindly show us where the NT church is instructed to collect offerings in the church other than the scripture I have shown you that teaches offerings/collections for the saints in the NT church. The world is reading and following us as we teach God's word.

Second, since you said "tithe and offering" goes together and one cannot be taken and the other left out, will you agree if it is shown from the scripture where tithe is dis-annulled, set aside and abolished that offerings is also abolished, set aside and dis-annulled since you teach both goes together. Will you agree