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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Sammy107d(m): 12:27pm On Nov 26, 2012

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by sigmundfreud(m): 12:30pm On Nov 26, 2012
truth4meal: Chimamanda Adichie and Chinua Achebe are two characters in the pen world that I not only look up to but also worship. Adichie "inherited memories" of the war being born in the 1970s while Achebe was a Biafran actuality. Both are familiar with letters. Both are welded by blood and merged by a faithful defiant annal that is devoted to reality. Both are mortals and corporeity comes with its fragility. Both are a product of misplaced blame. They are both "children of anger". They are both custodian of the pain of losing a war. They are married by skewed account of history. The resolve for historical payback fused them firmly. They are Igbos and the rest of us are Nigerians. They are our sins. They both share the chalice of sainthood. They are both Aburi enthusiast. They are the pain of the past. They are both Awolowo's guilt. Both of them are Igbos because Ojukwu is right. And we are Yorubas because Awolowo is wrong. They are Chinua Achebe and Chimamanda Adichie - "there was the truth"
Perhaps when we settle and put down the blame basket we are passing around, we will sit and drink from our wells of knowledge and exchange stories in beautiful prose such as these....
Then 'THERE WILL BE A GREAT COUNTRY'!

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by vascey(m): 12:33pm On Nov 26, 2012
I am glad we have started talking.
If we do not talk, then the sleeping giant cannot awake.
We must rise above our history and take our people to greater heights.

After we have addressed the pain from years past, we can then forge ahead with unity of purpose.

Igbo Kwenu!!!!

Nigeria Kwenu!!
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Joey82(m): 12:35pm On Nov 26, 2012
@mods, so u guyz finally found this topic worthy of front page abi?
if na tonto dike sh1t now e go make front page sharp sharp.
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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by petrov10: 12:41pm On Nov 26, 2012
Eko Ile: Not surprised this girl is trailing the same bitter and disgruntled path ashebe cleared for the next generations of bitter and disgruntled ibo people. This is her currency, all her biafra noise is what made her popular and she has a movie based in the same idiotic and moronic understanding of the foolish bifra war coming out. She has no choice but to keep supporting the same dog shiiiit story because it has to do with her bread and butter, telling the truth or saying anything contrary to their biafra rubbish means fighting against her bread and butter and path to biafra money making and book writing carrier...

It's very obvious she's a disingenuous and lying dullard. She knows nothing beyond the same biafra silliness other biafran clowns post on NL, they are all the same.
ure an idiot sha grin[quote author=Eko Ile]Not surprised this girl is trailing the same bitter and disgruntled path ashebe cleared for the next generations of bitter and disgruntled ibo people. This is her currency, all her biafra noise is what made her popular and she has a movie based in the same idiotic and moronic understanding of the foolish bifra war coming out. She has no choice but to keep supporting the same dog shiiiit story because it has to do with her bread and butter, telling the truth or saying anything contrary to their biafra rubbish means fighting against her bread and butter and path to biafra money making and book writing carrier...

It's very obvious she's a disingenuous and lying dullard. She knows nothing beyond the same biafra silliness other biafran clowns post on NL, they are all the same.ure an idiot sha cheesy
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by tomakint: 12:56pm On Nov 26, 2012
The principle of egalitarianism was more pronounced when Nigeria was under regionalism, at least going by what obtains in each region. Ironsi scattered that wonderful platform and Gowon watered it to maturity by his creation of 12 states, a precedent that led to Nigeria’s precarious situation till date. No thanks to these two soldiers! You will agree with me that, a belligerent Nigeria is what this present arrangement (a too powerful central government plus a multi-coloured system of government) has turned Nigeria into. I would have preferred to see a more united and purposeful Nigeria entrenched in the principle of egalitarianism but with this present arrangement? No way! I would rather be a staunch supporter of a bloodless divided Nigeria; I believe Nigeria can divide peacefully! What many emotional-laden Nigerians have failed to understand is that we only practiced with regionalism that favoured federalism for 6 years, if we had stay a little longer with it, by now we (as a Nation) would have been the “real giant of Africa” and a force to be reckoned with economically in the comity of nations!
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Textaiwo: 12:59pm On Nov 26, 2012
We should read this too >> To Saint Chimamanda http:///FpM6cGDh
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by trent9002(m): 1:31pm On Nov 26, 2012
From an Igbo to other Igbos, Can we just move on and forget the past?
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by westreign(m): 1:48pm On Nov 26, 2012
It is important to note that though the war is ended but its memory will never end. different stories abound but lets learn to forgive the past.
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Malawian(m): 1:52pm On Nov 26, 2012
awolowo saw that the east will far outshine the west with the incoming oil money so he baited a war to dispossess the easterners. yeah, he was a "funny one" for while he was whispering death and destruction in gowon's ears, he was comming to the east trying to get ojukwu to Lagos so that he can be propmptly arrested. do not mind his rhetoric about neutrality. war did break out, awolowo marshaled his Yoruba people to seize oil regions first which was their aim all along. they have refused to leave these oil regions even to this day despite the owners baying for it. awolowo was probably promised the presidency by the british after the war if he lent his support towards it. it might explain how awolowo remains the only civilian no2 the world over ever in a military regime. awolowo went ahead to steal from the British after the war with his infamous indigenization policy prompting the british to jettison him immediately. the coward now called a beer palour committee of fellow cowards to make innuendos about clandestine struggle. when he was "betrayed" and told upon, he went and fished out those rat poison he was using to poison infant baby formular going to the east and drank it like it was jedi jedi or okpanyi grin the rest is history. btw, why should ojukwu allow food heading to biafra to pass through awolowo?

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Dede1(m): 1:55pm On Nov 26, 2012
Eko Ile:


Are you not too old to be acting dumb and re/tarded? Was ojuku speaking English or German in the video?

You are even useless that I thought...

Eko Ole

There is no doubt your entire lineage is dumb, useless and re/tarded Of course, Ojukwu spoke English Language but the issue here is if you understood the language to realize that Ojukwu did not mention “landing fee” but payment for jobs certain Biafrans performed for the relief organizations as they would have paid their staffs on the ground in Biafra.

I am sure you are stark blind that you did not notice the MIG 17 swooped low to strike unarmed civilians

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Azubreezy(m): 2:01pm On Nov 26, 2012
Adichie has killed it, again. She always does. I love dis lady
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Malawian(m): 2:03pm On Nov 26, 2012
it is like you are an efulefu. was it not the same fathers who commited genocide against our fathers that raised these people? you want us to forget abi? so our children will be unprepared for the next time abi? dont let me insult you here pls.
trent9002: From an Igbo to other Igbos, Can we just move on and forget the past?
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Katsumoto: 2:19pm On Nov 26, 2012
Dede1:

Eko Ole

There is no doubt your entire lineage is dumb, useless and re/tarded Of course, Ojukwu spoke English Language but the issue here is if you understood the language to realize that Ojukwu did not mention “landing fee” but payment for jobs certain Biafrans performed for the relief organizations as they would have paid their staffs on the ground in Biafra.

I am sure you are stark blind that you did not notice the MIG 17 swooped low to strike unarmed civilians

No doubt you will dismiss the report below. The facts do not support your position; you will go to any length to try to change the true picture. The facts are that Ojukwu charged fees to relief agencies who brought in FREE food to a people that Ojukwu couldn't feed. That was immoral and anyone defending that callous act is immoral.

"It is an emotive accusation but, in Biafra at least, it turned out to be wide of the mark. The Nigerian government was actually remarkably forgiving when Biafra finally surrendered, integrating its army and civil service back into federal structures and compensating people for property lost during the war. International observers testified that they found no evidence of genocide, although the famine and war death had been considerable.

Oxfam subsequently admitted that it had fallen "hook line and sinker" for a propaganda campaign by Biafra's government who hired a PR firm to promote their cause. The image which was to become iconic was of starving children, which journalists, like the young Frederick Forsyth, realised "struck a nerve" because they reminded postwar Europe of the Nazi death camps.

The ICRC's silence during the Holocaust made it particularly vulnerable to Kouchner's accusation. But objective historical accounts shows that it its relief effort was at least as effective as that of the other agencies and its attempts to preserve its neutrality was a principled contrast to those who allowed themselves to be politically manipulated. The government of Biafra effectively taxed agencies bringing in supplies and used the money to keep the war going. It turned down the offer of a supervised "land corridor", realising how dramatic the night flights had become, and also used them as cover for bringing in weapons along the same route.

Most humanitarian agencies now accept that their intervention in Biafra was badly thought out and, by prolonging the war for an extra 18 months, exacerbated the suffering of those that they were trying to help. If the "business" of humanitarian aid is to reduce human suffering than actions which increase it should presumably be subject to some sort of sanction. Yet it is doubtful if anyone suffered any disciplinary action from Biafra. On the contrary, it proved a huge boost to the careers of a number of individuals and to a creed of "political humanitarianism" that became a prototype for future interventions."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/sep/20/humanitarianerrors
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by trent9002(m): 2:22pm On Nov 26, 2012
Malawian: it is like you are an efulefu. was it not the same fathers who commited genocide against our fathers that raised these people? you want us to forget abi? so our children will be unprepared for the next time abi? dont let me insult you here pls.
Alright, keep living in bitterness
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Malawian(m): 2:24pm On Nov 26, 2012
Katsumoto:

No doubt you will dismiss the report below. The facts do not support your position; you will go to any length to try to change the true picture. The facts are that Ojukwu charged fees to relief agencies who brought in FREE food to a people that Ojukwu couldn't feed. That was immoral and anyone defending that callous act is immoral.

"It is an emotive accusation but, in Biafra at least, it turned out to be wide of the mark. The Nigerian government was actually remarkably forgiving when Biafra finally surrendered, integrating its army and civil service back into federal structures and compensating people for property lost during the war. International observers testified that they found no evidence of genocide, although the famine and war death had been considerable.

Oxfam subsequently admitted that it had fallen "hook line and sinker" for a propaganda campaign by Biafra's government who hired a PR firm to promote their cause. The image which was to become iconic was of starving children, which journalists, like the young Frederick Forsyth, realised "struck a nerve" because they reminded postwar Europe of the Nazi death camps.

The ICRC's silence during the Holocaust made it particularly vulnerable to Kouchner's accusation. But objective historical accounts shows that it its relief effort was at least as effective as that of the other agencies and its attempts to preserve its neutrality was a principled contrast to those who allowed themselves to be politically manipulated. The government of Biafra effectively taxed agencies bringing in supplies and used the money to keep the war going. It turned down the offer of a supervised "land corridor", realising how dramatic the night flights had become, and also used them as cover for bringing in weapons along the same route.

Most humanitarian agencies now accept that their intervention in Biafra was badly thought out and, by prolonging the war for an extra 18 months, exacerbated the suffering of those that they were trying to help. If the "business" of humanitarian aid is to reduce human suffering than actions which increase it should presumably be subject to some sort of sanction. Yet it is doubtful if anyone suffered any disciplinary action from Biafra. On the contrary, it proved a huge boost to the careers of a number of individuals and to a creed of "political humanitarianism" that became a prototype for future interventions."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/sep/20/humanitarianerrors
you keep quoting these British press about biafra? are you retarded?

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Malawian(m): 2:26pm On Nov 26, 2012
you are stu.pid, you just dont know that yet. go tell the jews to open up the state of israel to all arabs. msheew
trent9002:
Alright, keep living in bitterness
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Katsumoto: 2:28pm On Nov 26, 2012
Malawian: you keep quoting these British press about biafra? are you retarded?

Not as slow as someone who believes Awo baited Biafra into fighting a war it was doomed to lose. grin grin grin grin That Awo must have been a god.

At least my account is published while you have to refer to beer parlour gist. Oponu

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Dede1(m): 2:59pm On Nov 26, 2012
Katsumoto:

Not as slow as someone who believes Awo baited Biafra into fighting a war it was doomed to lose. grin grin grin grin That Awo must have been a god.

At least my account is published while you have to refer to beer parlour gist. Oponu


You have been twisted out of human form due to the eyewitness account published by Achebe yet you found favor in the conjectural craps published by people who were thousands of miles away in their cozy offices taking formative instructions from governments sympathetic to Nigeria.

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by baysol: 3:10pm On Nov 26, 2012
Make this people vamous go them yeye Biafra and stop wining everyday about their spilt milk, childish lot.

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Katsumoto: 3:11pm On Nov 26, 2012
Tony Spike:

At the bolded, it seems nobody talks about this large stash of missing cash...or was it stash of papers that went missing?

Of course no one from Alaigbo would talk about it. The Nigerian government had spent 300 million pounds on that war without external borrowing. It has estimated that between there was between 115 and 140 million pounds in Biafran currency at the end of the war and there were approximately 14 million Biafrans giving a value of 10 pounds per Biafran. Yet, each adult was given 20 pounds. There would have been approximately 7/8 million adults leading to a total sum of 140/160 million spent by Awo. Were the Biafrans expecting Awo to bankrupt the federation even though they had used their savings and Nigerian funds (approximately 95 million pounds) to fund the war? The current value of 20 pound sterling is approximately 320 pound sterling. Yet the Nigerian pound had a higher value than pound sterling because pound sterling was devalued in 1967/68 while the Nigerian pound which had a one to one exchange rate wasn't.
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Nobody: 3:13pm On Nov 26, 2012
FreeGlobe: Great piece.
I quite agree with the super intelligent Ms Adichie (I have a crush, hope she's not married lol) on this article except where she disagrees with Achebe (Achebe is still right) Even while we will limit his leadership to the south west, I also see why the south west is in great mess today

Sorry she is happily married. Like two or three years ago.
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Katsumoto: 3:14pm On Nov 26, 2012
Dede1:


You have been twisted out of human form due to the eyewitness account published by Achebe yet you found favor in the conjectural craps published by people who were thousands of miles away in their cozy offices taking formative instructions from governments sympathetic to Nigeria.

Achebe was a Biafran propagandist who has not realized that the war is over. He is still disseminating horror stories. Was Achebe not one of the architects of starvation? Was he not one of the architects of fight to the death because Gowon is coming to kill every one of you? Was Achebe not behind the published pictures of starving children? Did Achebe not know that Biafra had no food to give children? Sityo ar.se down dede1.

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Nobody: 3:15pm On Nov 26, 2012
Victim mentality. Spoils of war and their unending lamentations.
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Nobody: 3:32pm On Nov 26, 2012
Achebe falsified historical records. This young lady naively wrote out of ignorance. Propagandists can never write objective history. They write to defend their failures, to justify their silly actions. In some extreme blame their enemy for mere refusal to be conquered.
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Nobody: 3:32pm On Nov 26, 2012
According to the great Manchester Guardian‘s editor JP Scott,he said “comments are free but facts are sacred“.
Certain hatewords and misconstrued expressions l read here makes me cringe and ask if Nigeria will ever be one. The ibos are yorubas stil have tribal griviances because of what happened,and the painful part is that the younger generation toe their footsteps.lts a thing shame and should be eschewed hence a repeat performance might likely emanate from this.

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Nobody: 3:41pm On Nov 26, 2012
Damn right, we remember differently. We remember those who used dying women and children as props for their propaganda war. We remember those who would rather feed rebels than feed children.
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by TonySpike: 3:44pm On Nov 26, 2012
Katsumoto:

Of course no one from Alaigbo would talk about it. The Nigerian government had spent 300 million pounds on that war without external borrowing. It has estimated that between there was between 115 and 140 million pounds in Biafran currency at the end of the war and there were approximately 14 million Biafrans giving a value of 10 pounds per Biafran. Yet, each adult was given 20 pounds. There would have been approximately 7/8 million adults leading to a total sum of 140/160 million spent by Awo. Were the Biafrans expecting Awo to bankrupt the federation even though they had used their savings and Nigerian funds (approximately 95 million pounds) to fund the war? The current value of 20 pound sterling is approximately 320 pound sterling. Yet the Nigerian pound had a higher value than pound sterling because pound sterling was devalued in 1967/68 while the Nigerian pound which had a one to one exchange rate wasn't.

At the bolded, Interesting facts...here was I thinking that the large stash of stolen cash was just a myth. Thank you for providing more details. Kats, does it mean the stolen cash were used to print Biafran notes? I'm a little curious...How was the printing of Biafran notes facilitated?
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by DarryOsh(m): 3:46pm On Nov 26, 2012
War or no war, nothing justifies starving a million children to death! Whether by the brutality of the then Nigeriaan government or the stong-headed Biafran warlords.I mean, we are talking about a million children, one of them could have been me or you!

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Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Katsumoto: 3:52pm On Nov 26, 2012
Tony Spike:

At the bolded, Interesting facts...here was I thinking that the large stash of cash was just a myth. Thank you for providing more details. Kats, does it mean the stolen cash was used to print Biafran notes? I'm a little curious...How was the printing of Biafran notes facilitated?

The stolen notes were indeed used for printing Biafran notes and also for purchasing arms. That was what led to the policy of Nigeria not allowing any notes to be transferred from outside (temporary measure) before Nigerian currency was changed in January 1968. Biafran notes were allegedly printed in Portugal & Switzerland.
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by tomakint: 3:58pm On Nov 26, 2012
Dede1:


You have been twisted out of human form due to the eyewitness account published by Achebe yet you found favor in the conjectural craps published by people who were thousands of miles away in their cozy offices taking formative instructions from governments sympathetic to Nigeria.
He got you there Katz! cool
Re: Chinua Achebe At 82: 'We Remember Differently' - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie by Katsumoto: 4:01pm On Nov 26, 2012
tomakint:
He got you there Katz! cool

Of course he did, according to you.

We should accept the view of the minister of propaganda for Biafra and ignore the views of British journalists simply because Britain supported Nigeria?

But I understand your position, so I am not bothered.

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