There is sin against God and sin against man. A good example is going late to a meeting or failing a promise. Man view it as sin while God only see sin written in his word as sin and it lead to eternal punishment.

Wen u deny d Lord Jesus christ u re sinning a sin unto death

Becoming an Apostate is a sin unto death that cannot be forgiven.

gonzaga: That is why the Catholic Church defines the doctrine of Mortal sin and Venial sin. All sins against the 10 commandments are mortal sins, while other minor offences are venial sins.

God is a just God and in justice, God will not condemn a man who had been killing innocent people for money rituals with a man who steals food to eat in order to survive with the same judgement. Though both have committed a sin, the circumstance and intentions are different.

For a sin to be committed, 3 factors must come into play; the willingness, the opportunity and the act itself. For instance, a virgin who willingly goes to a man's house to get the real deal and another who was going on an errand an got raped had both lost their virginity. The difference is that; one lost hers through a willful sexual act while the other was forcefully taken. God in His justice will not subject these 2 virgins to the same judgement.

I most times get very pissed when I hear people saying sin is sin. Even in our normal day to day life, do all offences against the law carry the same punishment? The Catholic Church can not err in matters of faith and morals. The Bible in talking about death does not mean physical death. The death been talked about here is eternal damnation. For those who commit sins that are not unto death, the Catholic church teaches that they go to a place of purgation called PURGATORY. Here, they make expiation for all those sins before they can see God. Purgatory is in fact, a demonstration of God's justice. God is so righteous that he cannot behold the slightest of sins. Yet, His justice does not allow him to condemn all sinners to the same judgement.

When next you hear someone saying that sin is sin, ask him/her to interpret this portion of the Bible. Watch out for a post on Mortal sins and Venial sins.

Am glad u used the phrase 'the catholic church' and not 'the bible'. The same reason Jesus called the pharisees blind guides. Catholic leaders are just blind guides, spreading heretical doctrines and harvesting multitude of souls for satan.
from the chaplet, to the use of images, praying to saints and purgatory are all lies sponsored by the queen of heaven herself.

Where in the whole of the scripture was sin classified?

Believe it or not anyone praying to/thru mary or any other person/thing other than God Almighty through Jesus is praying to a demon and d same demon will be patiently waiting to harvest the person's soul at death. The fact that you were born into a religion or denomination does not make it right.

Every wise man seeks to discover himself as well as his Maker and the method of worship instituted by his Maker only.

Christians let's ask God to open our eyes to see the truth of his word

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Based on your comments, killing and stealing since they violates the 10 commandment are mortal sins.

A rape victim has not committed any sin against God and is not under any divine condemnation.

The Sin unto death for which there is no forgiveness that the bible talked about is Apostate. In some bible verses, it is called 'sin against the son of man' or 'sin against the blood of Christ'; the Bible says, for these there is no second sacrifice as they have sinned against the first sacrifice made by the blood of Christ.

Purgatory is a subject for another day.

CMGO:


Am glad u used the phrase 'the catholic church' and not 'the bible'. The same reason Jesus called the pharisees blind guides. Catholic leaders are just blind guides, spreading heretical doctrines and harvesting multitude of souls for satan.
from the chaplet, to the use of images, praying to saints and purgatory are all lies sponsored by the queen of heaven herself.

Where in the whole of the scripture was sin classified?

Believe it or not anyone praying to/thru mary or any other person/thing other than God Almighty through Jesus is praying to a demon and d same demon will be patiently waiting to harvest the person's soul at death. The fact that you were born into a religion or denomination does not make it right.

Every wise man seeks to discover himself as well as his Maker and the method of worship instituted by his Maker only.

Christians let's ask God to open our eyes to see the truth of his word

I tend to agree with you. Why cant these Catholics support their theory of purgatory with Bible passages? If it's not in the Bible then where did they get it from?

agabasam: We catholics believe not all sins lead to death.... N in venial sin,u will be put in a prison n like d un4gvn servant,u will nt b freed until u pay ur last dues..... Am nt arguing with any1...its wat d holyspirit revealed to d 1st church of God

Friends,it's no longer by works.We have got no dues to pay.If we still pay dues may be some kind of stuffs called penance,then Jesus shouldn't have died.If you still pay dues till date,then you make the death and blood of Jesus of no effect.If any one sins,he should remember he's got a mediator(Jesus)with the father in heaven who will always speak on his behalf unto the father ! All we need is to genuinely repent of our sins and the Holy spirit will help us not to go back to it.It's nothing but by his grace and not any form of payment of dues !-1st John 2:1''My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
A christian does not live in sin but can fall short ! If you do,please ask for forgiveness and genuinely repent of ur sins before you die.The bible says that if you die without asking for forgiveness/repenting of ur sins,you will be taken to the place meant for the devil and his agents-HELL ! No amount of prayer by anyone will bring u out of that place.Please don't let anyman or any church doctrine that contradict's the word of God deceive you!But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. (Rev 21: Just to show you from the above that even liars and adulterers will be in same FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULPHUR !
The word of God can not be broken.It's only wen you ask for forgiveness that the blood will intercede on ur behalf !
God help us

ad84ada: Should we continue in sin, that grace may prevail? God forbid!
If all sin does not lead to death, does that fact make it okay to sin? Sin is sin, and God hates sin.

All sin is sin and if we do not ask for forgiveness and genuinely repent of them,then revelation 21:8 will suffice :'But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.-Revelation 21:8
It is the trick of the devil to make us believe that some sins are not actually sin so that we will not ask for forgiveness ! And wen we do not genuinely repent of those sins and ask for forgiveness,there is no doubt that such a person will be in hell-(I did not say so but the bible did from the scripture above and others we are familiar with )
God help us

bamosagie: Every soul that sun shall die, but all sin are not equal. There is sin against the holy spirit that is Unforgivenable sin.

The sin against the holy spirit na different topic all together !
God help us

FXKing2012:
I tend to agree with you. Why cant these Catholics support their theory of purgatory with Bible passages? If it's not in the Bible then where did they get it from?

I will not defend any denomination,however, since you started this post, you've seen the out burst of people who rushed to condemn you, because what you quoted was contrary to what they've always believed; without knowing that you only used scriptures.This realization is supposed to make you humble as you realize that a lot of people are in error yet unwilling to be enlightened.So many people quarreled with the scripture unknowingly after your post and some even condemned you to hell...yet what did you do wrong...quote scriptures. Now to your question, I'll say lets reason together.

1jn 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death". If there is a sin not unto death,though you need to pray for the repentance of that brethren as John admonished in the quoted passage,what if the brethren dies having committed one sin that is "not unto death". Remember that Rev 21:27 says "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that is unclean". Now lets look at 1 cor 3:13-17 for answer.

1 cor 3:13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is". This is obviously talking of the judgement...judgement comes after death.

3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. I believe you can say Alleluia here. 1st group

3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 2nd group

3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 3rd group

Now I'm looking seriously at that second group and I'm wondering, this God is a merciful God and Just as well, he does not condone sin,but he looks at the heart and rewards effort,hence there are some who really made effort but are not perfect. We often say no one is perfect but we still hope to enter heaven, how? The answer is in that 2nd group. Lets leave the name " purgatory" for now,let's give a thought to the above scriptural lines, if you are interested, we can move ahead.

You will not go to hell on account of your sins. Neither will you escape hell on account of not commiting any sin. You will escape hell only if you accept christ as your personal saviour. John 3:16. Accept christ today before it becomes too late.

Tayo-D:
@topic,

In the real sense of the Word of God, only one sin actually leads to hell, and that is the sin of not accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The scripture you alluded to in 1 John 5 is not referring to hell. It is actually referring to physical death, as happened to Annanias and Saphira his wife. We see several instances of such even in the old testament. Moses committed a sin unto death which kept him from the Promised Land.

From all indications, the sin unto death is unique to the individual and how God deals with them. I believe strongly that God would let each person know when they continue on the path of disobedience that would make God ask them to come home. That is the sin unto death.

If you study asking for the help of the holy spirit,you will be convicted of ur sins ! You will know wen you err ! See below what Jesus is saying concerning sins:
Just to say ‘You fool!’ takes one to hell according to - Mathew 5:22 ! Yes there are sins that are against man BUT wen you look at it critically you will see that God frowns at it as well ! Apart from the fact that you might be punished here on earth,God can also punish you for it if you do not ask for forgiveness and genuinely repent of it.God said that all authorities that be are instituted by HIM that we should be subject to them. But he wants us to disobey any authority that contradicts HIS word as well and even if the authority or man will punish us for disobeying those authorities(laws) that contradicts God's word,God HIMSELF will not punish us for that. See the case of Shdrach,Meshach and abenego the three Hebrew boys !
God is great and HIS word is settled forever in Heaven. Any one who obeys or follows any other authority other than that of God The Father, will have himself to blame when the trumpet shall sound !
God help us all

Syncan:

I will not defend any denomination,however, since you started this post, you've seen the out burst of people who rushed to condemn you, because what you quoted was contrary to what they've always believed; without knowing that you only used scriptures.This realization is supposed to make you humble as you realize that a lot of people are in error yet unwilling to be enlightened.So many people quarreled with the scripture unknowingly after your post and some even condemned you to hell...yet what did you do wrong...quote scriptures. Now to your question, I'll say lets reason together.

1jn 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death". If there is a sin not unto death,though you need to pray for the repentance of that brethren as John admonished in the quoted passage,what if the brethren dies having committed one sin that is "not unto death". Remember that Rev 21:27 says "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that is unclean". Now lets look at 1 cor 3:13-17 for answer.

1 cor 3:13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is". This is obviously talking of the judgement...judgement comes after death.

3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. I believe you can say Alleluia here. 1st group

3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 2nd group

3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 3rd group

Now I'm looking seriously at that second group and I'm wondering, this God is a merciful God and Just as well, he does not condone sin,but he looks at the heart and rewards effort,hence there are some who really made effort but are not perfect. We often say no one is perfect but we still hope to enter heaven, how? The answer is in that 2nd group. Lets leave the name " purgatory" for now,let's give a thought to the above scriptural lines, if you are interested, we can move ahead.

Now I'm learning. About the 3rd group you mentioned, how does one defile the temple of God? Could this be the sin against the Holy Spirit which the Bible says cannot be forgiven. I ask because the verse says the third group will be destroyed by God.

And about the 2nd group, what exactly does the Bible mean by "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire"?

Syncan:


3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 2nd group



Now I'm looking seriously at that second group and I'm wondering, this God is a merciful God and Just as well, he does not condone sin,but he looks at the heart and rewards effort,hence there are some who really made effort but are not perfect. We often say no one is perfect but we still hope to enter heaven, how? The answer is in that 2nd group. Lets leave the name " purgatory" for now,let's give a thought to the above scriptural lines, if you are interested, we can move ahead.

Still focusing on the second group like you said ! Friend,do you believe that we all will be rewarded according to our works here on earth ? Not works that we might be saved but works as those who are already saved by HIS grace and not of works ! Apostle Paul can't contradict himself for he earlier said in Romans 2:8- For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- See also Romans 9:16-It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. See also Acts 15:11-No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are." Just to mention a few to establish the fact that we are saved by grace and not of works !
Do you believe that all who are in Heaven that are saved will still be rewarded according to their achievements here on ? See below scripture:''Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven- Mathew 19
See also that The Soul Winner will be rewarded. 1st Corinthians 3:8, "Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour." !

Now coming to what the same Apostle Paul is saying in 1st Corinthians 3:15 Here,Paul isn't talking of our works to be saved but that as we are saved,what have we achieved for God as saved Christians ?That all the things we do after been saved will be burned,if they are not worthy enough to gain us a high ranking profile,then it will just be that we have been saved and are in heaven ! Abraham died and went to heaven and so was lazarus but they were both in heaven with different ranks !

Everything that one does as a Christian for the Lord Jesus Christ—soulwinning, doing good, helping the poor, lending without hope of return, teaching the Bible, contending for the faith, loving our enemies, passing out Bibles—will be greatly rewarded by God in eternity.

Please understand, none of these things will get us to Heaven. We are saved solely by Christ's righteousness; and not by any self-righteousness of our own, and a good thing, because we have none to offer God (Isaiah 64:6). Hence, we don't do good works to become a Christian; we do good works because WE ARE a Christian.The big question that we will be asked when we get to heaven will be 'HOW GOOD WAS UR WORK WHILE ON EARTH '? Those works are the things that will be tried according to 1 Corinthians 3:15. And if they are found to stand erect,he will be rewarded in Heaven but if they are burned,the righteous man will still be in heaven but the loss he will suffer will be the low ranking profile ! There are captains in heaven and there are other low profile heavenly candidate.But the good thing is that every one made righteous by the death and blood of Jesus will be in Heaven.
So brother,by his grace,we all will make heaven but let us fight to have a high ranking profile in heaven according to 1 corinthians 3:14 THE FIRST GROUP ! And not allow our works after been saved to be burnt and fall into the 2nd group -1 Corinthians 3:15 !
May God help us all

hell hell...everybody keep talking bout hell ...a place that does no exist at the first place...why do you guys worry so much about hell..have you fufil your earthly motives enough .its hellfire you are anticipating.....look its just a place of mind ...nothing like that it simply does not and will never exist.....

FXKing2012:
Now I'm learning. About the 3rd group you mentioned, how does one defile the temple of God? Could this be the sin against the Holy Spirit which the Bible says cannot be forgiven. I ask because the verse says the third group will be destroyed by God.

And about the 2nd group, what exactly does the Bible mean by "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire"?

6Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”b 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
From the above,we can see that our body is the temple of the Holy spirit.
But the 3rd group that will be sent to hell according to 1 Corinthians 3 :16-17 are SINNERS ! These are the group who never accepted Christ.Who never believed in HIM. Who backslides and never asked for forgiveness.Who never repented of their sins.They are the people who defiled their bodies.They sinned against God and never even bothered. So Apostle Paul said they are the ones who will be destroyed.3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 3rd group
The 1st and the second groups are holy groups ! They were forgiven of their sins.The first gropu having been saved,embarked in works so as to have treasures(reward)in heaven. The second group was a saved group but did not go ahead to do things after been saved so as to have a high rank in heaven but the 3rd group are the groups that remained in sin that never repented of their sins or repented and backslided or continue to live in sin defiling his/her body so at the end,they will be cast into the lake of burning sulphure !
So my brother,which group are you ? Which group do you desire ? If you are a christian,then you can NOT live in sin but even if you sin,remember that we have ONLY ONE advocate with the father whom HIM alone paid the price of sin with HIS blood. Run to HIM for forgiveness and you will be forgiven !
God help us

And about the 2nd group, what exactly does the Bible mean by "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire"?
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The big question that we(SAVED CHRISTIANS ONLY) will be asked when we get to heaven will be 'HOW GOOD WAS UR WORK WHILE ON EARTH AS A SAVED CHRISTIAN'? Those works are the things that will be tried according to 1 Corinthians 3:15. And if they are found to stand erect,WE(SAVED CHRISTIANS ALREADY IN HEAVEN) will be rewarded in Heaven but if they are burnT,the righteous man who is already saved and in heaven will suffer a[b] loss[/b]What is this loss?[/b]Will you be sent out of heaven becos ur 'christian works'suffered a [b]loss? CAPITAL NO ! But you will not be among the high flying profile ranking !(There are different crowns,garments,positions,and so on) There are captains in heaven and there are other low profile heavenly candidate.But the good thing is that every one made righteous by the death and blood of Jesus will be in Heaven.
So brother,by HIS grace,we all will make heaven but let us fight to have a high ranking profile in heaven according to 1 corinthians 3:14 THE FIRST GROUP ! And not allow our works after been saved to be burnt and fall into the 2nd group -1 Corinthians 3:15 !
May God help us all

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m.k.o2005:

Still focusing on the second group like you said ! Friend,do you believe that we all will be rewarded according to our works here on earth ? Not works that we might be saved but works as those who are already saved by HIS grace and not of works ! Apostle Paul can't contradict himself for he earlier said in Romans 2:8- For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- See also Romans 9:16-It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. See also Acts 15:11-No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are." Just to mention a few to establish the fact that we are saved by grace and not of works !
Do you believe that all who are in Heaven that are saved will still be rewarded according to their achievements here on ? See below scripture:''Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven- Mathew 19
See also that The Soul Winner will be rewarded. 1st Corinthians 3:8, "Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour." !

Now coming to what the same Apostle Paul is saying in 1st Corinthians 3:15 Here,Paul isn't talking of our works to be saved but that as we are saved,what have we achieved for God as saved Christians ?That all the things we do after been saved will be burned,if they are not worthy enough to gain us a high ranking profile,then it will just be that we have been saved and are in heaven ! Abraham died and went to heaven and so was lazarus but they were both in heaven with different ranks !

Everything that one does as a Christian for the Lord Jesus Christ—soulwinning, doing good, helping the poor, lending without hope of return, teaching the Bible, contending for the faith, loving our enemies, passing out Bibles—will be greatly rewarded by God in eternity.

Please understand, none of these things will get us to Heaven. We are saved solely by Christ's righteousness; and not by any self-righteousness of our own, and a good thing, because we have none to offer God (Isaiah 64:6). Hence, we don't do good works to become a Christian; we do good works because WE ARE a Christian.The big question that we will be asked when we get to heaven will be 'HOW GOOD WAS UR WORK WHILE ON EARTH '? Those works are the things that will be tried according to 1 Corinthians 3:15. And if they are found to stand erect,he will be rewarded in Heaven but if they are burned,the righteous man will still be in heaven but the loss he will suffer will be the low ranking profile ! There are captains in heaven and there are other low profile heavenly candidate.But the good thing is that every one made righteous by the death and blood of Jesus will be in Heaven.
So brother,by his grace,we all will make heaven but let us fight to have a high ranking profile in heaven according to 1 corinthians 3:14 THE FIRST GROUP ! And not allow our works after been saved to be burnt and fall into the 2nd group -1 Corinthians 3:15 !
May God help us all

This is really eye-opening.

Pls what does "sin against the Holy Spirit" really mean?

FXKing2012:
Now I'm learning. About the 3rd group you mentioned, how does one defile the temple of God? Could this be the sin against the Holy Spirit which the Bible says cannot be forgiven. I ask because the verse says the third group will be destroyed by God.

And about the 2nd group, what exactly does the Bible mean by "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire"?

Thank you for the way you put the above.That is the big question,what is even the sin against the Holy Spirit? Is it there in the Bible in black and white? The Ethiopian Eunoch said " How can I(understand), except some man should guide me?". He was reading the Scriptures, but he needed an authority to guide him (Acts 8:31).

To answer your question: No matter the sin committed (even though your sins are like scarlet), if you truly repent and ask for forgiveness from Christ Jesus, while still alive on earth, it shall be forgiven (it will be white as snow). Sin against the Holy spirit is a different topic for now, but take it that whoever persists unrepentantly in offending God, whether baptized or not; whether you've done alter call or not; whether you've confessed Jesus as your personal savior earlier or not; and dies in this state, will be destroyed.

Now to the second question: The spirit of God dwells in a soul and gives it grace which is it's life. When a true believer refuses to offer someone begging for a lift, in a lonely place, a lift for fear of armed robbers, what the one has done is not perfect, it offends God (remember the good Samaritan)but it does not drive the Spirit of God from his soul.With Divine Grace still there, he still has room to grow in perfection as long as he continues to "work out his salvation in fear and trembling" Phil 2:12. Remember the apostle peter and his failings, and learn from him. Such imperfections in our soul if we do not ask for forgiveness for it, will definitely not allow us in to heaven Rev 21:27, except we are taking the professed holiness of God for granted. However in his mercies made manifest by the death of Jesus on the cross for us, such individuals at death are judged and found not perfect for heaven, but they are made perfect by purification or purging ..."yet so as by fire"(as fire purifies things eg metals etc)before entering heaven. Do not forget that this passage is talking about judgement after the physical death and not while the person is still alive. I stop for now.

Gud write up, but

gonzaga: That is why the Catholic Church defines the doctrine of Mortal sin and Venial sin. All sins against the 10 commandments are mortal sins, while other minor offences are venial sins.

God is a just God and in justice, God will not condemn a man who had been killing innocent people for money rituals with a man who steals food to eat in order to survive with the same judgement. Though both have committed a sin, the circumstance and intentions are different.

For a sin to be committed, 3 factors must come into play; the willingness, the opportunity and the act itself. For instance, a virgin who willingly goes to a man's house to get the real deal and another who was going on an errand an got raped had both lost their virginity. The difference is that; one lost hers through a willful sexual act while the other was forcefully taken. God in His justice will not subject these 2 virgins to the same judgement.

I most times get very pissed when I hear people saying sin is sin. Even in our normal day to day life, do all offences against the law carry the same punishment? The Catholic Church can not err in matters of faith and morals. The Bible in talking about death does not mean physical death. The death been talked about here is eternal damnation. For those who commit sins that are not unto death, the Catholic church teaches that they go to a place of purgation called PURGATORY. Here, they make expiation for all those sins before they can see God. Purgatory is in fact, a demonstration of God's justice. God is so righteous that he cannot behold the slightest of sins. Yet, His justice does not allow him to condemn all sinners to the same judgement.

When next you hear someone saying that sin is sin, ask him/her to interpret this portion of the Bible. Watch out for a post on Mortal sins and Venial sins.

So in conclusion, wat u re meaning is that, SOME SINS RE SIN, bt NOT ALL SINS RE SIN...my conclusion nw dear, is dat sin is sin...nd if u re of d mindset dat u re doin a small sin, while others re doin greater sin,so God in his infinite mercy would mayb overlook urs or send u 2 purgatory(small hell), then u re on a longtin, because d bible made us 2 understand dat 1sin leads 2 manysins nd dat no stain would be allowed into d kingdom of God(no mata how small), so my dears, we shuld be careful of how we think nd reason, nd ask God 4 4giveness of our every sin(no mata how CLAIMED big or small), do u pple even know hw many times we commit adultery everyday of ourlives( MATTHEW 5:27-30), nd u my dears re here giving pathetic excuses of ur small nd big sins, wat madness nd stupidity,be careful; O' HOLY FATHER.. "FOR EVERYONE HAVE SINED AND IS FAR AWAY FROM GOD'S SAVING PRESENCE"(romans 3:23.) ...our arguing nd weak nd excuseful minds can also rephrase it dat "for all who committed GREAT sin has sinned nd ar far away 4rm god's saving grace" an in so doin committed sin by changing d word of God, 2 suit his own purpose, so my dear, LETS BE CAREFUL OF HOW WE THINK...note that am a catholic also....tank u nd God bless.

James 2 vs 10; for whosoever shall keep the whe laws and yet offend in one point is guilty of all.

FXKing2012:
This is really eye-opening.

Pls what does "sin against the Holy Spirit" really mean?

The unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an act
of resistance which belittles the Holy Spirit so grievously that he withdraws for ever
with his convicting power so that we are never able to repent and be forgiven.
To explain the above,let us consider the scripture and see what God is saying through HIS son Jesus who left us with the HOLY SPIRIT to convict us of our sins and bring us to repentance !
See below what Christ is saying in Mark 3:29:
''but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences."
If you look at the scripture above,you will see that Christ did not say if you blaspheme against God or HIM(Jesus)the son of God BUT HE said blaspheme against the holy spirit ! God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy spirit are one i.e 'EGG' It has got the shell,the egg white and the yoke ! It's three in one but they have their different roles aiming at achieving one goal ! Now since by the grace of God we have seen or already know that God the FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLLY SPIRIT IS ONE,let's just take a little highlight of their duties !
1.God the Father-HE has planned redemption
2.The son (Jesus has accomplished redemption. This wonderful redemption is outside ourselves and available to us if we repent of our sin
and turn back to Christ in faith !
3.But it is the unique and special role of the Holy Spirit to apply the Father's plan and the Son's accomplishment of it to our hearts !
From the above,we can see that the holy spirit plays the role of bringing both the fathers plans and the sons accomplishment to our hearts !
Now,if we blaspheme the father which most of us do every now and then,there is still hope ! If we blaspheme the son,there may still be hope according to what Jesus says in the book of Mathew 12:32-32 ''And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come.''
From the above we have seen that even if you sin against Jesus,the son of man,you can still be forgiven !
The big question is ;'what is the sin against the holy spirit and why can't i be forgiven here on earth and after ?
One of the sins committed before this statement was uttered by Christ was that the scribes were heard by Jesus attributing the powers of the Holy spirit that works in him as the powers of Satan, saying that HE (Jesus)uses the powers of Bezeebul to cast out demons and do miracles as well! This is only but one according to Mark 3:29.
From the fact that we have established regarding the work or role of the Holy spirit''But it is the unique and special role of the Holy Spirit to apply the Father's plan and the Son's accomplishment of it to our hearts !''We can therefore say,if we[b] grieve[/b] the holy spirit who is suppose to bring conviction to our hearts therefore bringing about the plans of God the father regarding redemption through the death of HIS son Jesus,who then will do this Job if we grieve the holy spirit ?
Christ isn't saying that we can not be forgiven because we asked for forgiveness.HE is saying we can not ask for forgiveness becos the holy spirit has been grieved and left us with our own human conscience that is weak becos we sinned agains the holy spirit! And if we do not ask for forgiveness becos we can't as a result of the fact that we have grieved the holy spirit and he has decided to let us be,how then can we be forgiven? Forgiveness can never be possible becos the one who is supposed to convict us and bring us to repentance for us to be forgiven has far long left us to ourselves !
My brother,i pray the holy spirit help u to understand the above. The bible can not contradict itself !
God help us all

@m.k.o2005, thanks for the explanation. I know and believe the Bible is the Word of God thus cannot contradict itself, but we need the Holy Spirit to guide us into understanding the Word.

God help us all.

FXKing2012: @m.k.o2005, thanks for the explanation. I know and believe the Bible is the Word of God thus cannot contradict itself, but we need the Holy Spirit to guide us into understanding the Word.

God help us all.

It was a Muslim colleague of mine who showed me ur post yesterday on NL and she was laughing saying''It's sin galore ! Not all sin can take us to hell according to the christian bible''
But i prayed and received utterance from the holy spirit to explain the scripture to her and she was calm and believed Jesus' word !
Brother,thanks to the post in the first place
God help us all

nuseg, franel4NL are on the right path. m.k.o 2005 is close but I don't fully agree with him.

Here is my understanding as explained by the Holy Spirit.
First of all, sin is sin. While sins are forgiven you may still face the consequences e.g a child lies to the mother, if the child confesses the truth later the mum may or may not spank the child for the earlier lie but she will forgive because the child told the truth eventually. However, there is a sin that cannot be forgiven.

So vs 16 is just saying pray for people who are in the family of Christ, believers, who are still indulging in sin. This refers to Christians and not non-Christians and here Peter is exhorting us to be our brother's keeper so to speak, i.e. pray for them to see that they are committing sin so they can repent and lead the lives God expects of his own. However, there is a sin that leads to spiritual death and he says don't bother praying because no amount of prayer will bring forgiveness. What sin is this? Matthew 12:31-32; Mark 3:28-29. Sin against the Holy Spirit. Specifically Blasphemy against God's Spirit. Blasphemy i.e. to speak evil or speak abusively. Note that in Matthew, Jesus first refers to blaspheming fellow man and says that can be forgiven, he then goes on to warn that blaspheming the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven but he concludes by saying blaspheming himself (the Son of Man, Jesus) can also be forgiven...strange isn't it. So I asked God and he says, see people generally accept Jesus, the only question with non-Christians is in his resurrection and of course the Muslims see him as a prophet so it is highly unlikely that Jesus will be blasphemed as such with intent. However, there are lots of questions about the trinity even with Christians and I'm pretty sure there are people who don't believe in the person of the Holy Spirit. So people are more likely to attempt to blaspheme him. Why the difference, the Bible says that it is the Holy Spirit that continually makes intercessions for us. You see, Jesus is the advocate (i.e. support) but what does he support? He supports the Holy Spirit's intercession (come between on behalf of another). Therefore, if you speak evil against the Sprit, he will depart and cease to plead on your behalf and there is nothing for Jesus to support therefore the person is ending up in hell because there is no one to plead his/her case to God.

So yes, all wicked actions are sin, but not all sin leads to death (vs 17).

And note this is specifically for Christians because as Christians we know the function of the Spirit. But not non-Christians and that is why Jesus could say Forgive them for they do not know what they do. And this is why Hebrews 10:26 says that if you keep sinning after you have knowledge of the truth, there is no sacrifice left. They key word is after. This, my dear, is What Peter means here by the statement 'There is sin leading to death'.

May God grant us understanding.

m.k.o2005:

And about the 2nd group, what exactly does the Bible mean by "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire"?

The big question that we(SAVED CHRISTIANS ONLY) will be asked when we get to heaven will be 'HOW GOOD WAS UR WORK WHILE ON EARTH AS A SAVED CHRISTIAN'? Those works are the things that will be tried according to 1 Corinthians 3:15. And if they are found to stand erect,WE(SAVED CHRISTIANS ALREADY IN HEAVEN) will be [b]rewarded in Heaven[/b] but if they are burnT,the righteous man who is already saved and in heaven will suffer a[b] loss What is this loss? Will you be sent out of heaven becos ur 'christian works'suffered a loss? CAPITAL NO ! But you will not be among the high flying profile ranking !(There are different crowns,garments,positions,and so on) There are captains in heaven and there are other low profile heavenly candidate.But the good thing is that every one made righteous by the death and blood of Jesus will be in Heaven.
So brother,by HIS grace,we all will make heaven but let us fight to have a high ranking profile in heaven according to 1 corinthians 3:14 THE FIRST GROUP ! And not allow our works after been saved to be burnt and fall into the 2nd group -1 Corinthians 3:15 !
May God help us all

Dear brethren please, please, please,look up 2pet3:16 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". The Ethiopian Eunuch was a good example of what to do,Christianity did not start today and do not think there is a question concerning scripture that has not been tackled before. It is clear that the passage in 1Cor3:13-17 is a passage talking about judgement of people that have died. Dear brethren, no one is actually sure of heaven until you die in the lord,"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall".1Cor10:12. This was told to believers and not unbelievers.When the apostle paul wrote saying "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" he wasn't talking to unbelievers, no he was talking to believers. You do not go to sleep saying "I have accepted Jesus as my personal lord and savior, I am saved", you have to put your belief into practice by doing what Christ has told us to do, because "Faith without good work is dead of itself" James2:17. It is erroneous to think that someone whose work will burn when tested, will be in heaven already. The scripture passage said "...will suffer loss, but even he will be saved, yet so as by fire" 1Cor3:15.Why do you just trivialize the matter by saying the person who is yet to be saved is in heaven already but will not be elevated in rank? Are you not the one now disputing Rev21:27, "nothing unclean shall enter..."? "The Holy spirit spoke to me" that's what is putting Christendom in total disarray.Who was more under the influence of the Holy spirit than Peter? Yet did you not see the difference on his stand on circumcision with that of Paul? Was it not after the council that they said "...it has pleased us and the Holy spirit..."Acts15:28. Only if you can say that your word is final, that is, it has pleased you and the Holy spirit... will your interpretation of scripture be flawless.Anything else is subject to probability of error as seen in your assertions in bold. Let's be open to learning, that we may know the truth and be free in deed.

In my humble opinion and from the Scriptures... the only way a sin cannot be unto death is if one is truly saved by The Lord JESUS CHRIST... truly HIS by grace & mercy alone, then nothing you have done, do or will do can ever "separate us from the love of GOD which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." -(Roman 8:28-39)

Having stated that, one doesn't with impunity continue to walk in sin, but tries and conquers more everyday (Phil 4:13).

"Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile." - Psalm 32:1-2

GOD is truly Wonderful, Gracious and Full of Compassion... HE paid the price for many.

gonzaga: That is why the Catholic Church defines the doctrine of Mortal sin and Venial sin. All sins against the 10 commandments are mortal sins, while other minor offences are venial sins.

God is a just God and in justice, God will not condemn a man who had been killing innocent people for money rituals with a man who steals food to eat in order to survive with the same judgement. Though both have committed a sin, the circumstance and intentions are different.

For a sin to be committed, 3 factors must come into play; the willingness, the opportunity and the act itself. For instance, a virgin who willingly goes to a man's house to get the real deal and another who was going on an errand an got raped had both lost their virginity. The difference is that; one lost hers through a willful sexual act while the other was forcefully taken. God in His justice will not subject these 2 virgins to the same judgement.

I most times get very pissed when I hear people saying sin is sin. Even in our normal day to day life, do all offences against the law carry the same punishment? The Catholic Church can not err in matters of faith and morals. The Bible in talking about death does not mean physical death. The death been talked about here is eternal damnation. For those who commit sins that are not unto death, the Catholic church teaches that they go to a place of purgation called PURGATORY. Here, they make expiation for all those sins before they can see God. Purgatory is in fact, a demonstration of God's justice. God is so righteous that he cannot behold the slightest of sins. Yet, His justice does not allow him to condemn all sinners to the same judgement.

When next you hear someone saying that sin is sin, ask him/her to interpret this portion of the Bible. Watch out for a post on Mortal sins and Venial sins.

This long thesis on what God is and what he isn't, on what he likes and what he hates, and not one reference to the word of God.

And there's no purgatory mentioned in the Bible either! My brother, what's all these you've put down?

Also this verse refers specifically to Christians as I said. If one does not accept Christ then the concept of sin or not does not apply to them, they are heading to hell straight (sorry, but it's true). If you don't accept Christ, you have not 'sinned' per say because you are under the law not under God, so any sin (An immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.) committed is not against God but against the laws of the land also known as a crime. But once you accept Christ, you are under grace and under God's laws (Love the Lord your God...and ...your neighbour as yourself...). And this is where Sin comes into place because sin is not just about immoral acts but specifically one that contravenes the laws of God.

look at it this way, Accepting Christ is accepting a gift. If you are trying to drill a hole and you use a hammer to break in, that may not be right but if you don't have a drill it is not necessarily wrong. However, if I give you a gift of an electric drill and you persist in using a hammer then you are wrong because you now how have the means to do things right but are still doing it the wrong way. This is Sin, knowing what is right but still doing wrong. (That's why I don't consider not accepting Christ to be sin because at that time the person does not know about Jesus and has not gotten a full understanding of the gospel.)

This is a somewhat simplistic example but I hope it serves to explain what I'm trying to get across.

God bless.

m.k.o2005:

It was a Muslim colleague of mine who showed me ur post yesterday on NL and she was laughing saying''It's sin galore ! Not all sin can take us to hell according to the christian bible''
But i prayed and received utterance from the holy spirit to explain the scripture to her and she was calm and believed Jesus' word !
Brother,thanks to the post in the first place
God help us all

Waoooo...this is really inspiring, is she now a Christian?

Haaa omo it rains in hell ..haleluyah !!! It rains in hell haleluyah!!! Wat. More am I asking for...hell bound!!! Babay!!!