Syncan:

Dear brethren please, please, please,look up 2pet3:16 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". The Ethiopian Eunuch was a good example of what to do,Christianity did not start today and do not think there is a question concerning scripture that has not been tackled before. It is clear that the passage in 1Cor3:13-17 is a passage talking about judgement of people that have died. Dear brethren, no one is actually sure of heaven until you die in the lord,"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall".1Cor10:12. This was told to believers and not unbelievers.When the apostle paul wrote saying "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" he wasn't talking to unbelievers, no he was talking to believers. You do not go to sleep saying "I have accepted Jesus as my personal lord and savior, I am saved", you have to put your belief into practice by doing what Christ has told us to do, because "Faith without good work is dead of itself" James2:17. It is erroneous to think that someone whose work will burn when tested, will be in heaven already. The scripture passage said "...will suffer loss, but even he will be saved, yet so as by fire" 1Cor3:15.Why do you just trivialize the matter by saying the person who is yet to be saved is in heaven already but will not be elevated in rank? Are you not the one now disputing Rev21:27, "nothing unclean shall enter..."? "The Holy spirit spoke to me" that's what is putting Christendom in total disarray.Who was more under the influence of the Holy spirit than Peter? Yet did you not see the difference on his stand on circumcision with that of Paul? Was it not after the council that they said "...it has pleased us and the Holy spirit..."Acts15:28. Only if you can say that your word is final, that is, it has pleased you and the Holy spirit... will your interpretation of scripture be flawless.Anything else is subject to probability of error as seen in your assertions in bold. Let's be open to learning, that we may know the truth and be free in deed.

FXKing2012:
Waoooo...this is really inspiring, is she now a Christian?

mba emeka: Please listen to @m.k.o2005. His message embodies the truth.

m.k.o2005:

My brother,we dnt have to fight over this ! After all the bible said we should compare scriptures with scripture !In the very few times i have studied and compared scriptures,i'm yet to see the bible contradicting it self ! Please let's take it easy.
Now,i never said a sinner who failed to repent of his sins will go to heaven becos i'm yet to see it in the holy bible ! I said we all who are saved wre saved by the grace and not of works and i quoted scriptures for that !
Now see different scriptures other than the ones quoted earlier to support that our good works never brought us salvation !
''Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it'-Ephesians 2:9'
''He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5 Just to quote a few !
You quoted Ephesians 2:12-'Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,'' Now Apostle Paul isn't saying we should do works to earn Salvation.If that is what he meant by this scripture,then it will mean that he(Paul)is contradicting himself ! The words of the Apostle was inspired by God and can not be contradictory ! Any explanation that says it is for us to do work to earn salvation is totally wrong and in due time or season,the holy spirit will convict the person,people or the church of the meaning of this scriptural saying ! Let's be open for the holy spirit to teach us.
What Apostle Paul is saying when he said we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling is nothing but to bring out that which you already have ! Means let the light (salvation through faith )that you already have so shine that it might be seen and when tested with fire(i.e the process of purification just as Gold and silver passes through fire)it will still stand and earn you a reward ! To work out ur salvation with fear and trembling in summary is to show the evidence of the salvation you already have. It has got to do with every good thing that comes out of a genuine born again christian.It is all encompassing but does NOT mean we should do all that to earn salvation. It has to do with the fear(reverence or complete respect or humility for God) Go out for soul winning.Give arms to the poor for you to also have treasures in heaven.In other words,it means the total exhibition of the fruits of the spirit !
All these good works above weren't what brought you the salvation but they should be seen once you are saved !
'You said faith without works is dead'. I agree becos the bible says so.But the works comes after faith and not works before faith ! It is ur faith that brings out the works knowingly or un knowingly to you. There is no way you can claim you have faith and has got no works to show for it. But you can have the works without the faith !-So,Paul is saying,if you have faith,then you will exhibit the works and not the other way round. It's just like saying you will go into the swimming pool and not be wet ! How possible is that ? But you can be wet without going into the pool !
May God help us to understand what the spirit is saying !

m.k.o2005:

May God bless you for the understanding given to you on this topic. May we both not be a cast away wen the trumpet shall sound.
God Bless us

FXKing2012:
You've been a blessing, are you a pastor? Where do you worship?

FXKing2012:
You've been a blessing, are you a pastor? Where do you worship?

Syncan:

Indeed i fight not. I only wonder if you have problem with what I am saying in black and white or with what you think I am saying.

First you have to be a believer.

Second, you have to "take heed lest you fall" 1Cor10:12. This is only achieved through continued prayer, hearing/reading the word of God,doing good deeds and avoiding occasion for sin.

Third, I entirely disagree with the claim that ones a person is born again, he will never commit sin.There are a thousand and one imperfect acts in man which we often overlook as sinful. More so it is still within reality that someone who is born again can fall into a grave sin such as adultery for example, that's why you are warned to take heed. "The devil like a roaring lion is moving around looking for who to devour"1Pet5:8 is not for unbelievers but for believers. Tell me you've not seen great men of God falling, and some rising again after the fall.

Fourth, when a believer falls into sin as mentioned in third above, what is left for him/her after realization of this, is to be genuinely sorry for this, make restitution if possible, ask God for forgiveness, believe he/she is forgiven, and do good works; for "charity covers a multitude of sin" 1Pet4:8. Let us not be liars, we are not perfect, we get angry, we use harsh words, we avoid doing good for fear of harm, we miss prayers due to laziness, we hold malice sometimes etc. Yes we desire not to do these, and often work hard to mortify our flesh, even these we cannot do without grace. Yet we often find ourselves falling, what do we do? pick up ourselves, dust of the earth and move on again.

Do not make argument easy for you by saying I'm putting good work before faith,what is good work without faith, is it not like a filthy rag before God?

Let me stop for now again.

digospel2: [b]Sin is sin of a truth.[/[/size]b][size=8pt][/size][size=8pt][/size][size=8pt] All unrighteosness is sin means you are either right or wrong in your actions and every wrong doing amount to sin. The wages(reward) for sin is death(spiritual) Romans 6:23. God in I Samuel 15:23 ,classify rebellion,witchcraft,stubborness,iniquity and idolatry as one that is equal sin. Likewise Galatians 5:19 - 21, grouped all sin as works of the flesh that can hinder one from inheriting His kingdom. once you miss the kingdom of God you are heading to hell which is the second and final death. So please, don't be deceived; stealing a cup of garri carries the same penalty with armed robbery and abortion leading the sinner to hell(death). It is the old law that group sin for death and those not for death e.g. adultery attract stoning to death. Therefore get understanding when the Bible make reference to the old law and know what the new law prescribe. REPENT FROM ALL SIN FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND.

m.k.o2005:

NO ! I'm not a pastor but i have passion for the word of God.'I listen to all men of God'and i go straight to the word of God to check out their word vs the word of God !
I worship with Redeemed Christian Church of God ! But i dnt follow any of my church doctrines that contradict the word of God. Though I'm watching out if i will see any tomorow. There is no perfect church ! But when Christ comes,the church will be made perfect.The bible say we(True Christians) Shall see Christ and live and shall be like HIM(PERFECT)
God bless you

Lxgking: Gud write up, but So in conclusion, wat u re meaning is that, SOME SINS RE SIN, bt NOT ALL SINS RE SIN...my conclusion nw dear, is dat sin is sin...nd if u re of d mindset dat u re doin a small sin, while others re doin greater sin,so God in his infinite mercy would mayb overlook urs or send u 2 purgatory(small hell), then u re on a longtin, because d bible made us 2 understand dat 1sin leads 2 manysins nd dat no stain would be allowed into d kingdom of God(no mata how small), so my dears, we shuld be careful of how we think nd reason, nd ask God 4 4giveness of our every sin(no mata how CLAIMED big or small), do u pple even know hw many times we commit adultery everyday of ourlives( MATTHEW 5:27-30), nd u my dears re here giving pathetic excuses of ur small nd big sins, wat madness nd stupidity,be careful; O' HOLY FATHER.. "FOR EVERYONE HAVE SINED AND IS FAR AWAY FROM GOD'S SAVING PRESENCE"(romans 3:23.) ...our arguing nd weak nd excuseful minds can also rephrase it dat "for all who committed GREAT sin has sinned nd ar far away 4rm god's saving grace" an in so doin committed sin by changing d word of God, 2 suit his own purpose, so my dear, LETS BE CAREFUL OF HOW WE THINK...note that am a catholic also....tank u nd God bless.

m.k.o2005:

My brother,we dnt have to fight over this ! After all the bible said we should compare scriptures with scripture !In the very few times i have studied and compared scriptures,i'm yet to see the bible contradicting it self ! Please let's take it easy.
Now,i never said a sinner who failed to repent of his sins will go to heaven becos i'm yet to see it in the holy bible ! I said we all who are saved wre saved by the grace and not of works and i quoted scriptures for that !
Now see different scriptures other than the ones quoted earlier to support that our good works never brought us salvation !
''Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it'-Ephesians 2:9'
''He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5 Just to quote a few !
You quoted Ephesians 2:12-'Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,'' Now Apostle Paul isn't saying we should do works to earn Salvation.If that is what he meant by this scripture,then it will mean that he(Paul)is contradicting himself ! The words of the Apostle was inspired by God and can not be contradictory ! Any explanation that says it is for us to do work to earn salvation is totally wrong and in due time or season,the holy spirit will convict the person,people or the church of the meaning of this scriptural saying ! Let's be open for the holy spirit to teach us.
What Apostle Paul is saying when he said we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling is nothing but to bring out that which you already have ! Means let the light (salvation through faith )that you already have so shine that it might be seen and when tested with fire(i.e the process of purification just as Gold and silver passes through fire)it will still stand and earn you a reward ! To work out ur salvation with fear and trembling in summary is to show the evidence of the salvation you already have. It has got to do with every good thing that comes out of a genuine born again christian.It is all encompassing but does NOT mean we should do all that to earn salvation. It has to do with the fear(reverence or complete respect or humility for God) Go out for soul winning.Give arms to the poor for you to also have treasures in heaven.In other words,it means the total exhibition of the fruits of the spirit !
All these good works above weren't what brought you the salvation but they should be seen once you are saved !
'You said faith without works is dead'. I agree becos the bible says so.But the works comes after faith and not works before faith ! It is ur faith that brings out the works knowingly or un knowingly to you. There is no way you can claim you have faith and has got no works to show for it. But you can have the works without the faith !-So,Paul is saying,if you have faith,then you will exhibit the works and not the other way round. It's just like saying you will go into the swimming pool and not be wet ! How possible is that ? But you can be wet without going into the pool !
May God help us to understand what the spirit is saying !