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Ozonna:

Akuko na Egwu!!! The only opposition Pres GEJ has are PDP Northern Govs. If GEJ gets the PDP ticket, you'll be surprised @ the way APC will be crushed in 2015 polls.

ROSSIKE: APC is happy to be endorsed by a criminal like IBB?

Says a lot about the party.

Gbawe:

Look, don't take my utterances as criticism. I just dislike insincere utterance, for the sake of populism, that is starkly at odds with reality. The way I see it is that Nigerians are apathetic cowards. They will bash in the brains of commoners yet lie down supine in prostration and obeisance before the political thieves who have turned them into glorified beggars.

The youth especially are too divided, too shallow, too devoid of ideas, too distracted and too worthless at solutions provision to even be a shadow of the youths of other Nations. An inspired youth class get Nations out of trouble with their innovative endeavors everywhere.

That is not Nigeria and a realistic person will agree the best option remains to support those who can make a difference, like Fashola and Ribadu et al, till evolution lends a hand to aid us getting where we need to go. Which youth do you think will join you to hound their "own" all in the spirit of "let us get rid of these old thieving bastards" ? Don't you read comments here to note the same youths you have misguided hope in praising the 'recycling' of Anenih?

Why not try right now convening SS youths to support your group touting a talented Yoruba individual to depose GEJ? See if they will volunteer for such an "embrace merit" ideal once their own is the "victim". Who are those who dislike Fashola here the most? Are they not youths? Why don't you begin trying to get them support Fashola to replace GEJ considering all neutral folks and non-Nigerians don't even think Fashola and GEJ should be mentioned in the same sentence as far as administrative talent is concerned? These same youth will argue Fashola is the devil and GEJ is "the best President ever". I think you know the truth behind that flight of fantasy. Are they the same youth you want to partner with? March with a few youths and they will be the ones to plunge the knife in your back when they have been paid off. You should face the fact that your nation has serious problems revolving around a very morally compromised people. Non more indicative of this than "youths" . Solutions need to be pragmatic and realistic.

Had it been Nigerian youths were impressive, moderately principled and politically sophisticated then I would be more than happy to join you risking life and limb for change. I don't need to remind you of how the subsidy protest was turned into a "Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani plot against GEJ"? In virtually all nations on earth national unity, political maturity and oneness of purpose would make everyone see that it is plain wrong to support a very corrupt President who decided to punish poverty-addled Nigerians instead of tackle scammers and the sort of unacceptable theft he swore to protect Nigerians against.

Bottom line is that we have different beliefs. Your radical pontifications will never work and sound populist to me in face of what is on the ground. I think Nigerian youths were even more passionate and united in the days of Gani than today. You do your thing and I will do mine which revolves around senstitizing Nigerians to vote for the lesser devil instead of shouting unrealistically about a Jerry Rawlings 'cull' and suggesting 'saints' who cannot even deliver their streets. I just hope you can sometimes talk as if you recognize the reality on the ground. No one, anywhere, can deliver solutions until they understand the problem.

francis4real: when will Nigerians stop betraying fellow Nigerian it common here in South West, is it a course? if I may ask IBB is now hero prazing him as if is now God u silly people that forget things easily. Do u guys still remember June 94? u bagers. MKO, Kudirat, killing of innocent people? northern knows Fashola is a fool, they will use him to sell Yorubas to northerners. be wise. when u guys started seen rods of Boko Haram here is south west, then u guys will use ur mendular.

Gbawe:

http://tribune.com.ng/news2013/index.php/en/component/k2/item/6421-ibb-s-endorsement-of-apc-rattles-pdp

This is just the beginning . Don't worry PDP, "In politics their are no permanent enemies but

permanent interests". IBB will be back once APC is rattled sometimes in the future.

emiye:

Take it easy man, i love sensible debates, and did not call you a clown, even though you sound as one.

How many years from now, do you believe an independent presidential candidate will garner enough votes from Nigerian electorates to win an election? 50years? , 100years?

You must learn to separate your fantasies and idealism from the real world

Else, you might be seen as a clown.

success_07: i thank u all dat criricised my first comment and more thanks to u gbawe for reaasonin with me...

Let me start by saying most people here are graduates of pol.sci but have neva been to a political meetin before even at d zonal level let alone ward. They ar quick to criticise but too busy to make an input. Empty barrels if u ask me...

Who is a saint in nigeria today? Only a few yet they criticise. I wonder y a yahoo boi, girl, man, woman or a cultist, or a trader at alaba sellin inferior products at d cost of d original cos e claims his products are original; or a man who will steal his boss*s time come to say one pot is black when e himself is black.

If IBB refuses to retire from politics, na u go tel am to step aside? Do u have d guts or such a liver?

What i will find an issue is what d APC will do or not do when they to power? Will they hold true to their manifesto? Where will they put d common man in the scheme of things? Will they make unpopular policies or create unpoular programmes to steal public funds? Will they emulate how govs are faring at d state in the centre? Will they implement policies that will drive d economy?

For instance, why is Nigerian budget still under fiive trillion naira when the FIRS claims they made a little over five trillion from taxation? What happened to the other incomes generated from other sources? Lets not even talk about oil revenue...

IBB said this or that is not an issue. He is a member here or there is not an issue. Is he now ready to embrace change is an issue.

honprof1:


I don't need to read all u wrote cos ur first paragraph shows u r sensible and not beeing decieved by Party Name or FLAG , we need people like u to sensitize the society at Large ... What u have just wrote in here is exacly what we move Wise Nigerian foward and leave mediocre in darkness as all the mediocre need is a Gala n Lacasera to motgage the future and as well their children.. God Bless u Man!n

Gbawe:

Whatever floats your boat. "Opposition types"? Are people like you for real? Anyway, I am coming to accept that talking to most Nairalanders means accepting the premise that conversation will have a flavour of surrealism.

It is even normal here for many to talk in contrast to what is indeed desirable and being delivered by evolution throughout the world. Nigeria too, whether your ilk like it or not, will evolutionarily fall in line. Naturally, you and others will not want to accept this with your devotion to individuals, entities and political Parties. It will not remain acceptable for abjectly mediocre leadership to endure as society evolves. Naturally, a people growing more ambitious, more demanding, more impatience and more politically sophisticated will seek change as soon as possible. As simple as that.

Even if you have no capacity to appreciate it, we are talking of universal concepts, sweeping modern existence, that will outlive and outlast all of us. You can keep dreaming and talking according to the ridiculous conditioning your nation bestows upon you. Exposed and well-read folks know that it is ridiculous to talks as if the PDP will remain a law unto itself when the delivery of abjectly poor leadership is its main identity. The inane talk of "we will rule for 6O years" is delusional garbage, for dinosaurs like you, that can only be valid if this was 1920 and if the world was now not so well-connected making Nigerians see what obtains elsewhere to enable them appreciate they deserve far better.

Gbawe:

Thank you. Nigeria remains how it is partly because its youth lack pragmatism, patriotism and focus. They will never 'seize the moment' and it is pointless wasting time on them because they are empty barrels. Anyone who wants Nigeria to become better should pitch political tent somewhere, get involved and be the change they want. No sitting on the fence or telling us pessimistically and vacuously that "they are all the same" while you making zero suggestions regarding viable solutions.

I really despair over the lack of ability of the Nigerian youth and his predilection for apathy, time-wasting, pessimism and empty talk as we see here daily. On average, the Nigerian youth is usually never a solutions provider or innately innovative. Yet he is the most opinionated, most unwilling to learn and most likely to remain blind to what is obvious. Not good for Nigeria. Not good at all. This is why I keep talking about evolution. Looking at the current generation of young Nigerians leaves one distinctly uninspired.

Gbawe:

Thank you. Nigeria remains how it is partly because its youth lack pragmatism, patriotism and focus. They will never 'seize the moment' and it is pointless wasting time on them because they are empty barrels. Anyone who wants Nigeria to become better should pitch political tent somewhere, get involved and be the change they want. No sitting on the fence or telling us pessimistically and vacuously that "they are all the same" while you making zero suggestions regarding viable solutions.

I really despair over the lack of ability of the Nigerian youth and his predilection for apathy, time-wasting, pessimism and empty talk as we see here daily. On average, the Nigerian youth is usually never a solutions provider or innately innovative. Yet he is the most opinionated, most unwilling to learn and most likely to remain blind to what is obvious. Not good for Nigeria. Not good at all. This is why I keep talking about evolution. Looking at the current generation of young Nigerians leaves one distinctly uninspired.

Gbawe:

Are you crazy? Who gives a damn about an empty rabble-rouser like you? Look, get lost. I don't need bitter, twisted losers like you stalking me. Drop your independent comment, if you have one, related to the topic and clear off. It is obvious folks like you come here to fight with others because of 'unresolved' issues and the large chip you carry around on your shoulder. Go and find others who are petty, with zilch to contribute, like yourself, to fight. This is all cretins like you, always to be found stalking others, do here from thread to thread i.e never contributing anything meaningful and ruining threads with your petty, spiteful and petulant behaviour.

What is the outburst all about? Please, spare me this idea of looking genuine here. It is clear you take offence easily about anything yet you are not ready to work for the future of the country. You are so pessimistic in your approach and use it to coy people to agree with this your all-encompassing usefulness of IBB to the politic of Nigeria. You've forgotten about the past so soon what IBB had done to this nation. .

I am not going to stop antagonizing your comments for the simple reason you are in support of IBB.

Pukkah:

Don't mind them.

Many of them are poor students of history and they're just theorists and paper tigers. They flex muscles online and beer parlours but buckle and flounder when it comes to execution.

When the journey to the present democracy started in 1999, Bola Ige and his crew were among the founding fathers of PDP. At the formative stage of the party, they realized that Barnabas Gemade and other people that were labelled 'Abacha politicians' were there, so they left the party.

They left the party and berthed in the defunct APP. The infamous Abacha politicians surfaced again and, again, they left APP. This time around, they left to form a new party. And the Alliance for Democracy (AD) was born. This is why some commentators usually say that Bola Ige 'authored' the constitutions of the three dominant parties at that time.

The then INEC bent over backwards to accommodate AD but alas, time wasn't enough for them to build a 'national network' for the new party. Where were even those that would give it a national outlook anyway? The other politicians had melted into PDP and APP. So the AD inevitably became a regional party.

The AD was lambasted and lampooned as a sectional party and all attempts to give it a national outlook failed until the party crashed into Obasanjo tsunami.

Lesson - It's ideal to expect a political party to be puritan or saintly. However, that expectation is neither practical nor pragmatic. It takes politicians (and not online warriors or commentators) to play politics and of course, politicians are not imams or pastors. And wait for this, they will never be pastors or imams.

Politics by its very nature is not for saints as it involves a lot of compromise and agreements. If you doubt this then you should wonder why the much-loved Gani Fawehinmi (who started going to prison for the masses since 1969) was not elected President. Did Utomi also succeed? What of Okotie? Buhari nko?

Many people will shiver or even weep if they catch a glimpse of political agreements or compromises. Are you looking for a saintly political party? It's not possible, or let me be more optimistic - its time hasn't come. By the way, how many saintly churches or mosques do you even have in the country let alone political parties?

No single region (or even two) can alone produce a president. In reality, you need to build bridges. You need friends across the country. In politics, one enemy is too many and 1,000 friends is not enough. In cultivating this friendship, you come across all sorts - the good, the bad and the ugly. There are political lepers (literal) who although cannot milk a cow, they can easily spill a drum of milk. For the GEJ supporters abusing IBB, listen to this: Jonathan may not really love IBB, but he wouldn't want him to cross to the other side. Fact. It is the same way that the AD fatally had an Adedibu (another Abacha politician) on the other side.

Whatever you do, people will criticize you. The same people that tongue-lashed and derided the AD as a sectional party are still taunting and insulting the ACN today for forging a much-needed alliance. So how do you satisfy people?

The objective of businesses, as taught in elementary economics, is to make profit; that of political parties is to seize power. Get used to it.

Pukkah:

Don't mind them.

Many of them are poor students of history and they're just theorists and paper tigers. They flex muscles online and beer parlours but buckle and flounder when it comes to execution.

When the journey to the present democracy started in 1999, Bola Ige and his crew were among the founding fathers of PDP. At the formative stage of the party, they realized that Barnabas Gemade and other people that were labelled 'Abacha politicians' were there, so they left the party.

They left the party and berthed in the defunct APP. The infamous Abacha politicians surfaced again and, again, they left APP. This time around, they left to form a new party. And the Alliance for Democracy (AD) was born. This is why some commentators usually say that Bola Ige 'authored' the constitutions of the three dominant parties at that time.

The then INEC bent over backwards to accommodate AD but alas, time wasn't enough for them to build a 'national network' for the new party. Where were even those that would give it a national outlook anyway? The other politicians had melted into PDP and APP. So the AD inevitably became a regional party.

The AD was lambasted and lampooned as a sectional party and all attempts to give it a national outlook failed until the party crashed into Obasanjo tsunami.

Lesson - It's ideal to expect a political party to be puritan or saintly. However, that expectation is neither practical nor pragmatic. It takes politicians (and not online warriors or commentators) to play politics and of course, politicians are not imams or pastors. And wait for this, they will never be pastors or imams.

[b]Politics by its very nature is not for saints as it involves a lot of compromise and agreements. If you doubt this then you should wonder why the much-loved Gani Fawehinmi (who started going to prison for the masses since 1969) was not elected President. Did Utomi also succeed? What of Okotie? Buhari nko?

Many people will shiver or even weep if they catch a glimpse of political agreements or compromises. Are you looking for a saintly political party? It's not possible, or let me be more optimistic - its time hasn't come. By the way, how many saintly churches or mosques do you even have in the country let alone political parties?

No single region (or even two) can alone produce a president. In reality, you need to build bridges. You need friends across the country. In politics, one enemy is too many and 1,000 friends is not enough. In cultivating this friendship, you come across all sorts - the good, the bad and the ugly. There are political lepers (literal) who although cannot milk a cow, they can easily spill a drum of milk. For the GEJ supporters abusing IBB, listen to this: Jonathan may not really love IBB, but he wouldn't want him to cross to the other side. Fact. It is the same way that the AD fatally had an Adedibu (another Abacha politician) on the other side.
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Whatever you do, people will criticize you. The same people that tongue-lashed and derided the AD as a sectional party are still taunting and insulting the ACN today for forging a much-needed alliance. So how do you satisfy people?

The objective of businesses, as taught in elementary economics, is to make profit; that of political parties is to seize power. Get used to it.

Gbawe:

Superb contribution. Sadly many here do not have the capacity to take in what you are saying which is the pragmatic truth. They will be driven by all manners of sentiments and biases to the extent what should be terribly obvious is never discerned by so many who fancy themselves as different to those leading us.

all4naija: Please, go to sleep. Go back to history and live in it least I care.I don't give a heck about what you are saying. It is youth like you that are selling out the future of that country. How in Gbawe rightful mind would he suggest to those who want a change to form a political party? That speaks of his shallow mindedness to how things work in the present world. Keep living with your lots in the past.

Stop trying to deceive other youths about their rights.

Pukkah:

Vituperations ignored.

byrron: [b]PDP CHIEFTAINS SUPPORTING AND POSSIBLY DECAMPING TO THE NEW BRIDE IN TOWN CALLED APC AND U GUYS ARE HAPPY?
IF PDP MEMBERS, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HAS LOOTED THE COUNTRY AND NOW JOINED THE OTHER LOOTERS THAT FORMED APC THEN WHAT IS THE JOY? WHAT ARE WE REALLY CELEBRATING?

OK, we don't like the name pdp but we don't mind the same oppressors or criminals changing names or decamping to continue doing the same thing in as much as they don't bear the name PDP abi?

Last time i checked, its the same names that have been looting our common wealth and have been decamping from one party to the other that came to form the new bride called APC and an open invitation has also been given to members of the other looting party called PDP to come and join them in the new amalgam of oppressors.

When are we going to start making use of our brains as citizens?

we are damn too gullible, once a known criminal decamps to another party he becomes a saint and we erase all his antecedents from our brains or 1kb memory cards.

Well, our situation now is like having an option of choosing between the devil (PDP) or Satan (APC)and any choice we make gives us the same result. PDP + APC (amalgam of political criminals)= 2 sides of same coin.

the situation is just a hopeless one and the alternative is as hopeless as the former so nothing to cheer about, its just a cyclical movement with out motion.

im sure if Goodluck Johnathan decamps today even as the president to APC, he becomes a progressive automatically and the story line will change in as much as the name pdp is not mentioned, he becomes gej and not pdp the same way most of u voted gej and not pdp.
something is wrong with all of us especially we the citizens

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byrron: [b]PDP CHIEFTAINS SUPPORTING AND POSSIBLY DECAMPING TO THE NEW BRIDE IN TOWN CALLED APC AND U GUYS ARE HAPPY?
IF PDP MEMBERS, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HAS LOOTED THE COUNTRY AND NOW JOINED THE OTHER LOOTERS THAT FORMED APC THEN WHAT IS THE JOY? WHAT ARE WE REALLY CELEBRATING?

OK, we don't like the name pdp but we don't mind the same oppressors or criminals changing names or decamping to continue doing the same thing in as much as they don't bear the name PDP abi?

Last time i checked, its the same names that have been looting our common wealth and have been decamping from one party to the other that came to form the new bride called APC and an open invitation has also been given to members of the other looting party called PDP to come and join them in the new amalgam of oppressors.

When are we going to start making use of our brains as citizens?

we are damn too gullible, once a known criminal decamps to another party he becomes a saint and we erase all his antecedents from our brains or 1kb memory cards.

Well, our situation now is like having an option of choosing between the devil (PDP) or Satan (APC)and any choice we make gives us the same result. PDP + APC (amalgam of political criminals)= 2 sides of same coin.

the situation is just a hopeless one and the alternative is as hopeless as the former so nothing to cheer about, its just a cyclical movement with out motion.

im sure if Goodluck Johnathan decamps today even as the president to APC, he becomes a progressive automatically and the story line will change in as much as the name pdp is not mentioned, he becomes gej and not pdp the same way most of u voted gej and not pdp.
something is wrong with all of us especially we the citizens

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Gbawe:

Correct. If we are a nation of people who have minimal political sophistication then it would be obvious that the serious treat of losing power can destroy the elite-centred lootocracy Nigeria has become. The argument over whether man is innately good or bad can go on forever. What cannot be disputed is the fact that lack of deterrent/punishment for wrong-doing give rise to the sort of nation Nigeria has become.

The truth is that the PDP has operated with callous impunity for 14 years as the ruling Party. Even if Nigerians are too bigoted and biased to appreciate it, there must be punishment for what the PDP is getting away with so as to maintain evolutionary order and a march forward. Vital to vote out non-performers so that a culture of "perform or be kicked out" is enshrined. By putting in the effort, even if making mistakes in the process, humanity will get where it needs to go. Doing Nothing is not an option if a Nation is ambitious and desirous of progress.

APC has risen up to challenge a Party that is one of the worst and most ineffective in the world in my opinion. Positive-minded Nigerians should be in support of the new Party and wish it success in rattling the comfort zone a very evil Party languish in to the detriment of Nigeria.

Gbawe:

Look, don't take my utterances as criticism. I just dislike insincere utterance, for the sake of populism, that is starkly at odds with reality. The way I see it is that Nigerians are apathetic cowards. They will bash in the brains of commoners yet lie down supine in prostration and obeisance before the political thieves who have turned them into glorified beggars.

The youth especially are too divided, too shallow, too devoid of ideas, too distracted and too worthless at solutions provision to even be a shadow of the youths of other Nations. An inspired youth class get Nations out of trouble with their innovative endeavors everywhere.

That is not Nigeria and a realistic person will agree the best option remains to support those who can make a difference, like Fashola and Ribadu et al, till evolution lends a hand to aid us getting where we need to go. Which youth do you think will join you to hound their "own" all in the spirit of "let us get rid of these old thieving bastards" ? Don't you read comments here to note the same youths you have misguided hope in praising the 'recycling' of Anenih?

Why not try right now convening SS youths to support your group touting a talented Yoruba individual to depose GEJ? See if they will volunteer for such an "embrace merit" ideal once their own is the "victim". Who are those who dislike Fashola here the most? Are they not youths? Why don't you begin trying to get them support Fashola to replace GEJ considering all neutral folks and non-Nigerians don't even think Fashola and GEJ should be mentioned in the same sentence as far as administrative talent is concerned? These same youth will argue Fashola is the devil and GEJ is "the best President ever". I think you know the truth behind that flight of fantasy. Are they the same youth you want to partner with? March with a few youths and they will be the ones to plunge the knife in your back when they have been paid off. You should face the fact that your nation has serious problems revolving around a very morally compromised people. Non more indicative of this than "youths" . Solutions need to be pragmatic and realistic.

Had it been Nigerian youths were impressive, moderately principled and politically sophisticated then I would be more than happy to join you risking life and limb for change. I don't need to remind you of how the subsidy protest was turned into a "Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani plot against GEJ"? In virtually all nations on earth national unity, political maturity and oneness of purpose would make everyone see that it is plain wrong to support a very corrupt President who decided to punish poverty-addled Nigerians instead of tackle scammers and the sort of unacceptable theft he swore to protect Nigerians against.

Bottom line is that we have different beliefs. Your radical pontifications will never work and sound populist to me in face of what is on the ground. I think Nigerian youths were even more passionate and united in the days of Gani than today. You do your thing and I will do mine which revolves around senstitizing Nigerians to vote for the lesser devil instead of shouting unrealistically about a Jerry Rawlings 'cull' and suggesting 'saints' who cannot even deliver their streets. I just hope you can sometimes talk as if you recognize the reality on the ground. No one, anywhere, can deliver solutions until they understand the problem.

Prof Corruption: Except we have an outright revolution which is unlikely in an ethnically fragmented Nigeria, a pragmatic approach to salvaging Nigeria demands working with the willing materials available to move the nation forward.