Prof Corruption: Except we have an outright revolution which is unlikely in an ethnically fragmented Nigeria, a pragmatic approach to salvaging Nigeria demands working with the willing materials available to move the nation forward.

Pukkah:

This is another good thinking. Some people don't know that there is a difference between human rights activists and politicians. Their callings and motivation are very different. The doyen of human rights activism - Gani Fawehinmi - failed woefully as a politician. Why didn't these people asking for credible or ideal people vote for him or the Conscience Party?

Tell these people calling for puritanism to prepare for a revolution and they would become incoherent or scurry off. How many of them have witnessed a civil unrest let alone a war? In fact, after a successful revolution, who are the people that would still run the country? Of course, the politicians!

Fact - the people that will liberate Nigeria are Nigerians. Most of those Nigerians have today got used or benefited from overt and/or covert corruption - special JAMB centres, police N20, fake drugs, piracy, driver's licence by proxy, settlement for C of O or building approval processing, wrong usage of Biblical verses to further personal creed/interest, etc. The clean Nigerians (if any) aren't interested in politics because it will smear them. So who will run the governance process? Angels?

As people grow up, they generally become more introspective and realistic but a lot of the people canvassing for the ideal are simply naïve/inexperienced or goaded on by the hot youthful blood in their veins or the adrenalin of adventure in their system.

Hopefully, one day they will understand. They will understand that life is not a straight line. Ironically, life's experience does not come on time.

Pukkah: ^^^Seen but not read.

byrron:
Yet u vnt added any value to the conversation, u keep regurgitating.
So ur idea of realism is an association that is not yet a party?
When they become a party then u can come back and lecture me on realism but for now its still under the realm of idealism.
u dey make me laff my guy! Pls comment on ibb's views and stop drifting further.
Cheers again

emiye: U have a lot to learn , Gbawe is doing a good job for people like you.

The APC is not a wishful thinking any more, it is a movement that will culminate in to a political party, all things been equal.

I used to think like you some years back, life experience has shaped my thought process positively.

You need to be wise as a serpent, if you want to make some vital changes, if you think independent candidate is a solution or a viable alternative, then you my friend is a joker.

On the issue of Babangida, everybody has equal right to freedom of speech and association, so his statement is on point, he has not moved to APC from PDP to the best of our knowledge.

BTW, No political party can have a totality of angels, the major concern is the quality and quantity of the dominant force.

If i had djinee power to select the president for Nigeria in 2015, Oh my my !!!!!, i would be so idealistic like you are, but no i dont have such powers, as such it is important i canvass a lesser devil (The optimal candidates amongst the real options), i wont sit on the fence, and moan about how i cant get what i truly want.

Evolution has a way of moving us closer to idealistic values, although the changes will happen as gradually as possible, taking in to cognisance the present realities

gabriel212:
OK! but if you pay attention to Ogun politics, you will understand d effect of d division within a party could generate. many who GEJ bliv are his loyalist wil be working against him. n,unlike d SW, d only way GEJ could redeemed his image is to forget d political diff. he has with the SW gov. to do massive construction otherwise, he will loose many electorate.
WATCH OUT!!!

emiye: U have a lot to learn , Gbawe is doing a good job for people like you.

The APC is not a wishful thinking any more, it is a movement that will culminate in to a political party, all things been equal.

I used to think like you some years back, life experience has shaped my thought process positively.

You need to be wise as a serpent, if you want to make some vital changes, if you think independent candidate is a solution or a viable alternative, then you my friend is a joker.

On the issue of Babangida, everybody has equal right to freedom of speech and association, so his statement is on point, he has not moved to APC from PDP to the best of our knowledge.

BTW, No political party can have a totality of angels, the major concern is the quality and quantity of the dominant force.

If i had djinee power to select the president for Nigeria in 2015, Oh my my !!!!!, i would be so idealistic like you are, but no i dont have such powers, as such it is important i canvass a lesser devil (The optimal candidates amongst the real options), i wont sit on the fence, and moan about how i cant get what i truly want.

Evolution has a way of moving us closer to idealistic values, although the changes will happen as gradually as possible, taking in to cognisance the present realities

Eziachi: One thing I find about Nigerians is the inability to digest what they read or what they never bothered to read before forming an opinion that had already been shaped.
Base on what was published last week as to IBB's reaction toward the formation of APC, the guy didn't endorse anybody. What he said was that if small opposition parties can come together to form a larger party that will match the ruling party, he sees it as a good thing for Nigerian democrazy of his dream of 1990s of having a strong 2 party system eventually.
The same system, when NRC and SDP emerged under his experiment in the 1990s. How does this translate to endorsing APC and people are fighting over it?

Eziachi: One thing I find about Nigerians is the inability to digest what they read or what they never bothered to read before forming an opinion that had already been shaped.
Base on what was published last week as to IBB's reaction toward the formation of APC, the guy didn't endorse anybody. What he said was that if small opposition parties can come together to form a larger party that will match the ruling party, he sees it as a good thing for Nigerian democrazy of his dream of 1990s of having a strong 2 party system eventually.
The same system, when NRC and SDP emerged under his experiment in the 1990s. How does this translate to endorsing APC and people are fighting over it?

Gbawe:

Simple Simon, what "hypocrisy"? You are so one-dimensional it is unreal. No one gives a rat azz for IBB's endorsement. The point , whether you can see it or not let alone admit it, is that those who made the PDP strong and a party with the much vaunted "national spread" seem determined to abandon the Party.

If IBB joined the APC today, what can he be other than a subordinate to Tinubu, Buhari, Shekarau and even new partner Rochas ? IBB cannot come to the APC to dictate to anyone or have his image laundered clean but APC strategists would be fools not understanding that it is best having Messi sitting unused on their own reserve bench than having him playing against them.

Billyonaire: I am surprise that IBB is very popular amongst the underdogs, This is a Military Dictator who annulled June 12, killed MKO Abiola, and set this country backwards. This IBB should have been shamefully sacked from PDP and publicly executed if not for respect we have on past Presidents. In his very careful and maradonic move, he uttered an inconclusive statement and the APC (should I say Chloroquin) parasites are scrambling for wants of words. Is IBB relevant in today's Nigeria ? The answer is No, IBB is the reason we are in darkness. It takes a GEJ to refocus our steps.

xtayle:

Gbawe my brother, you go kill them finish o. Pls have mercy on their soul.

Gbawe:

That is why I mentioned the 40 years proviso. An independent candidate can simply not win at the centre because of the funding and grassroot backing required. The problem with Nigerian politics is that majority of movers and shakers will only assist you for what they wish to gain in return for help offered.

We are not the stage where other Countries have reached, and take for granted, whereby nationalism and genuine altruism can see a very good candidate gaining immense support and backing.

Were Utomi and Gani Fawehinmi not effectively independent candidates? How well did they fare? My brother, we have m
no choice ,as adults, but to adopt pragmatism in our outlook. I used to be idealistic but I realised that I had no right dreaming of utopia without accepting that political dreams only come true if people understand the need to embrace what is practical and achievable in a graduated process.

Tigerhead: @gbawe

It would be good if the fantasies that you opposition types had was real. I would like PDP to sit up and do better, but the truth is nothing we hear is due to the opposition at least not the ACN led opposition, it is PDP attending to long needed in house cleaning. This cleaning will go on for awhile longer and may in fact get messier, but PDP will emerge leaner and much more focused and dangerous. There is no danger of the new yet to be merged party winning in 2015, you guys can only win on Nairaland and other places where your voters are called names like "Garri".

ndu_chucks: I fully expect IBB, OBJ, and some very powerful PDP members to dump PDP before 2015. These powerful PDP members need to be aligned, one way or the other with the ruling party to ensure that they remain out of jail before they die.

I'm afraid GEJ has forgotten how he became the President and does not fully appreciate the fact that he is going to leave that office 2015.

Enough is Enough, Insha Allah, GEJ and PDP must leave come 2015.

Dpeacemaker101: So because you think that IBB endorsed APC makes you think they have a better chance of becoming the president in 2015? I think you all should wake up from your slumber before it is too late, I still see GEJ sitting as my president in 2015.

Gbawe:

Brother, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Personally, I don't fool or delude myself. I know my children are not going to just blossom into the productive citizens I would be foolish to think is their "god-given" right to become if I am not up and doing to ensure this happens. Likewise, keep fooling yourself GEJ will remain President in 2015 come what may and especially if he continues to fail as spectacularly as he is doing.

success_07: I invite u all that thinks politics is mathematics where u can simply use the almighty formula to solve a quadratic equation.

why did the ACN fail in OYO state relinquinshing power to the PDP in 2003? Very simple: Adedibu was against them and Adedibu had all the thugs (wether u like it or not, u need thugs in Nigeria either to steal votes for you or keep watch over your votes). All they needed was keep Adedibu in their ranks, give what belongs to God to the people and give what belongs to Ceaser to Adedibu.

if any of u tink an angel will run this country come 2015 then u must be mistaken. Do not think that is not what I want, but it is not possible. In addition, dont think i am a pessimist. That is the sad reality.

if u will, go join a political party at your ward...roll before them your great ideas and let us see how far you will go. U will hear loud applause and that is it. If your ideas cant provide for those that will endorse it, sorry, no show. Trust mi, if you are in such a position...u will do same. Abi no be u must collect tip to do your job for office simply because someone is in need? Funny and hypocritical nigerians.

let me add...stealing in public office is not easy. It requires good skills and that is where GEJ HAS FAILED MORE. At every move u know he is stealing.

quick questions: how can he tell it will cost him 3billion naira to feed in a year? Na from heaven the food they come...i thought he receives salaries...why should we still feed him?
Why should the youwin programme cost N50B when only 6000people will be empowered with N10M max...give or take N4B operations cost. Wetin happen to the rest N40B?
Why should he tell us he wants to erect abuja gate for N7B...gate wey only him dey pass...wetin happen to the former gate...abi dis new gate is to be made with pure gold?
Why should his wife be thinking of building an office for N4B...an office not recognised by the constitution...na museum we want put the office abi we want turn to world heritage site?
more questions are begging for answers...

look, we are all thieves one way or the other in this country. But i will rather support a thief like tinubu, fashola, oshiomole than support a thief ibori, igbinedion et al.

come to think of it...no be this same Jona wey most of u dey call retardeen u na dey canvass for so? How is he better than IBB?