MacLovington: .
Even though I think IQ test is overated(too Caucasian-orientated), you are not a dunce!

Some of the smartest people I have seen (Mathematicians, medics, scientists etc) don't speak great English.

Flytefalls:
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MacLovington: .

Even though I think IQ test is overated(too Caucasian-orientated), you are not a dunce!

Some of the smartest people I have seen (Mathematicians, medics, scientists etc) don't speak great English.

coogar:

you would find out majority of these people didn't learn english while growing up as well. this is a different argument. you would be hard pressed to find an english mathematician/medic/scientist that cannot write or speak english.

coogar:

for any nigerian living in nigeria, the ability to write and speak english language is a big sign of intelligence. considering the fact that english is a 2nd language for the majority, mastering the language is a huge sign of intelligence.

shymexx:

IQ is an Eurocentric crap that shouldn't be taken seriously by any sane mind... If testosterone truly improves a person's mentally capability, then black folks should be the smartest people on this planet... Hence why I don't take the IQ crap seriously, to be honest!!

We need to change our school syllabus, make it more Afrocentric, and get white folks to come do our own Afrocentric IQ test as well!!

MacLovington: .
I have said many times before that until they include ways to measure respect for elders, family values, sociability,optimism in the face of challenges, hustling spirit and so on in IQ test, it will remain a measure for Western notion of intelligence.

My ancestors who built an advanced and flourishing empire,dental surgery, promoted the arts, dental surgery, textile, architecture, agric, improved war science etc cannot be relegated to dunces, just because they wouldn't have passed all these new-age IQ tests.

coogar:

plenty of them.....
the opportunity to showcase those acquired skills are few and far in between. so let's separate the opportunity to display the acquired skills from the ability to transform what was learnt into real life situations!



where's this company? english-speaking country?

shymexx:

Lmao... Tell them bro.. Our ancestors were advanced scientists, not the watered-down superficial/make-believe crap they call; 'Science', today... Even white folks believe the ancient were more advanced, hence why they labelled their achievements: "Wonders of the World."

Most of these folks don't even know that the English language is the poorest language, in the world... How can you even judge a person's intelligence based on the poorest means of communication?? That's utterly disrespectful to God!!!

Gabriel_sylar: Its a sign of morality....girls with bad english are mostly ashies....

omicron: Wisdom..... Bring a case of conflict or crime to a wise village elder and he would analyse and resolve it same way an iconic justice from Harvard would have. That is wisdom! He may not be able to learn English or any other language as much as you could, he may not be able to read or write, but he is wise.

Intelligence...ok, both of us are Igbos and we are to learn English. Having been exposed to the same learning condtions, you could speak English better than me. I think you are more intelligent.

Education...you have gone to school or exposed to some specific learning, leading you to acquire certain knowledge or skills that you wouldnt ordinarily have acquired such as reading and writing or solving mathematic equations. You may not be wise, nor must you be so intelligent, but you have got some education. But in the end, the measure of education is the measure sum total of what someone knows and is.

All of them are related though, but we confuse them a lot. Speaking English is not an absolute sign of education since those that speak it as first language do not necesarry need any 'education' to learn it. On the other hand, since the more intelligent people learn better and faster, to some extent, the person who has learnt better is supppsed to be better educated, or learned.

Smartness is a different thing altogether.

TalkingToYaSelf: Neither

Intelligence is Measured by so many Expansive Vast Variables.

The Common Drug Fiend, who lurks and aimlessly roams various street corners may possibly possess more overall Varied Intelligence than your linear Harvard Grad

As Far as the Former, Not Even Worth Discussing.

Afam4eva: I've heard Nigerian people say things that suggest that knowing how to speak good english suggest that one is educated. How's that even possible. You see ladies saying things like "He's a nice guy and speaks very well". He speaks very well means means he speaks good english with a foreign accent and not Igbo or Yoruba. So, Why does speaking Good English translate to one been educated and smart. Can't someone who doesn't speak English be smart?

jammyng: Sign of good education? Yes! Intelligence? Don't think so!

larayat: D truth z...ur being able 2 converse well in english dosnt make u a grammarian....u tongue twist n people actualy tinks...wow.his/her english z good...ok...give such person a pen....n beholds u'l find cracks in d wall...

omicron: Wisdom..... Bring a case of conflict or crime to a wise village elder and he would analyse and resolve it same way an iconic justice from Harvard would have. That is wisdom! He may not be able to learn English or any other language as much as you could, he may not be able to read or write, but he is wise.

Intelligence...ok, both of us are Igbos and we are to learn English. Having been exposed to the same learning condtions, you could speak English better than me. I think you are more intelligent.

Education...you have gone to school or exposed to some specific learning, leading you to acquire certain knowledge or skills that you wouldnt ordinarily have acquired such as reading and writing or solving mathematic equations. You may not be wise, nor must you be so intelligent, but you have got some education. But in the end, the measure of education is the measure sum total of what someone knows and is.

All of them are related though, but we confuse them a lot. Speaking English is not an absolute sign of education since those that speak it as first language do not necesarry need any 'education' to learn it. On the other hand, since the more intelligent people learn better and faster, to some extent, the person who has learnt better is supppsed to be better educated, or learned.

Smartness is a different thing altogether.

Afam4eva:

I beg to disagree. It's not like we go to school to learn english. We go there to learn different subjects. English just happens to be the language of instruction. I've seen people who are very good in Maths and the sciences but are deficient in communicating well in English. Does it mean they're less intelligent than someone who speaks impeccable english but is horrible at maths and other subjects? I believe that if a Yoruba person from Ogbomoso or an Igbo person from Ohafia are taught in the language they understand perfectly(Yoruba and Igbo), they will do better than another Nigerian that was taught in English. It can be difficult learning something with a language that you're minimally conversant with.

Tolexander: actually, a fluent and good spoken english is not an assay for intelligence.
Just like a house with colourful outward appearance, nice exterior design. But when the interior of the house was seen, just an opposite of the exterior.

Though i agree it is a sign of sound education which is a function of the school he went to, the environment he grew up and the kind of parents and family he has.

nitlad: Does T.B. Joshua qualify to be described as an intelligent person? He doesn't know English for şhit!

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Ishsoph: @op u push me to conclude that u wanna use this thread to giv urself a pat at d back 4 all d gbaguans u write/intend to spew on this forum. And possibly use it to redeem ur fast eroding respect nd confidence here too. Honestly how many educated not-so-smarts would use "suggest that" twice in a line of writen sentence? That teeters on lack of choice of words(which ofcourse abound) to dsplace ur "suggest that". Heck! U'd "heard some girls say THINGS like" whoever makes poor choice of words like this ntori Olowun! Whatever happens to atleast "makes STATEMENTS/COMMENTS like this"? Then comes ur "been" in place of "BEING". Obviously this is not an expository essay, but u could have redeem ur image by a good write up seeing that u are talking about "good english(well spoken english), education n intelligence. Abeg am off to my bed. Wont be a contributor in mediocre's thread. Hoping am not ban by morning sha(for sure u'll hide my post).