i just reread ur earlier post where you said ignatuis described the catholic church as consisting of local church united under her bishops. Are we talking about that catholic church or ur idea of a church without bishops? Or do u love contradicting urself?

Logicboy03:



First of all, I am defending history, not the catholic church. The historical fact is that catholics compiled the bible

Secondly, one cant leave the catholic church

-your baptismal record will always be counted during summations of catholic numbers in the country or worldwide.
-unfortunatelty, the only available burial for me is between a choice of traditional pagan or catholic.........you knoew the preferable choice
-the catholic church has swag....richest of church with many influential peeps.....need it for business connections

not to spoil the flow but if u are a public atheist ie if other know u are an atheist and die with that disbelive, u wont recieve a catholic burial.

Ubenedictus: i just reread ur earlier post where you said ignatuis described the catholic church as consisting of local church united under her bishops. Are we talking about that catholic church or ur idea of a church without bishops? Or do u love contradicting urself?

Abeg, leave me alone bo and just post whatever you like.

By the way you should let your Anglican friend know that you agree that the Anglican Church is not Jesus' Church as your colleague indicated here https://www.nairaland.com/1257440/catholic-catholic-back-catholic/1#17812520

Leave him alone bo...

He cant own up to his contradictions.

^^^ Crybaby don also become run run baby!

Enigma:

Abeg, leave me alone bo and just post whatever you like.

By the way you should let your Anglican friend know that you agree that the Anglican Church is not Jesus' Church as your colleague indicated here https://www.nairaland.com/1257440/catholic-catholic-back-catholic/1#17812520

just as i consider the lutherian church so do i consider the anglican communion. It is simply a christian community.
Weldone on ur contradictions

Logicboy03:



First of all, I am defending history, not the catholic church. The historical fact is that catholics compiled the bible

Secondly, one cant leave the catholic church

-your baptismal record will always be counted during summations of catholic numbers in the country or worldwide.
-unfortunatelty, the only available burial for me is between a choice of traditional pagan or catholic.........you knoew the preferable choice
-the catholic church has swag....richest of church with many influential peeps.....need it for business connections

smh.

Proudly Catholic!

Proudly catholic!

Proudly cAtholic!

Proudly caTholic!

Proudly catHolic!

Proudly cathOlic!

Proudly cathoLic!

Proudly catholIc!

Proudly catholiC!

Proudly CATHOLIC!

2000 years.

@Enigma. Please go and brush up on the meaning of Hypocritical.

Ubenedictus: just as i consider the lutherian church so do i consider the anglican communion. It is simply a christian community.
Weldone on ur contradictions

A person who says a "Christian community" is not Jesus' Church is talking of someone else's "contradictions"! lol

Enigma: ^^^ I will let your "friend" answer you.



E never finish ooo

How does this change the role that the C(c)atholic church, Roman or whatever, has played in the history of christianity. How does this permit you and others of your ilk to make up stories condemning the RCC falsely one issues such as the use of Relics, the role of the Bible, etc? How does it make RCC the LovePeddler of Babylon? How does this divorce RCC from christianity? while you are the true christian?

I can't remember the last time you actually answered any question that I asked you. I'll try again. What do you understand by 'in my name'?

Enigma:

Nope!

Afterall one of y'all "friends" don do me psychoanalogy (or whatever) ----- courtesy of Wikipedia. lol





Na so!

Oh, it's the wikipedia that is doing you, okay I'll give you some other links. But the wikipedia definition is still accurate though and the symptom fits you perfectly.




Freudian Projection

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.
http://isstutter..co.uk/2011/10/freudian-projection.html




From a psychoanalytic viewpoint, projection is an intrapsychic process that creates or shapes a perception (or a collection of perceptions) with reference to an object in the outside world, which, although the subject believes he or she is perceiving it "objectively," is actually being perceived according to the subject's own characteristics; t

http://www.enotes.com/projection-reference/projection-188243

I don't know why no one will ask me to back it up, but I'll go ahead and do at a later date anyway.

Pastor AIO:

How does this change the role that the C(c)atholic church, Roman or whatever, has played in the history of christianity. How does this permit you and others of your ilk to make up stories condemning the RCC falsely one issues such as the use of Relics, the role of the Bible, etc? How does it make RCC the LovePeddler of Babylon? How does this divorce RCC from christianity? while you are the true christian?

Of course you are a liar!

Find where I said anything about the Roman Catholics and relics, LovePeddler of Babylon or "divorce RCC from Christianity"

Pastor AIO: I can't remember the last time you actually answered any question that I asked you. I'll try again. What do you understand by 'in my name'?

I choose not to teach you what I choose not to teach you.

Pastor AIO: Oh, it's the wikipedia that is doing you, okay I'll give you some other links. But the wikipedia definition is still accurate though and the symptom fits you perfectly.

I have said to you before to do whatever you like with Wikipedia. It is your problem, not mine.

Pastor AIO:
Freudian Projection

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.
http://isstutter..co.uk/2011/10/freudian-projection.html




From a psychoanalytic viewpoint, projection is an intrapsychic process that creates or shapes a perception (or a collection of perceptions) with reference to an object in the outside world, which, although the subject believes he or she is perceiving it "objectively," is actually being perceived according to the subject's own characteristics; t

http://www.enotes.com/projection-reference/projection-188243

I don't know why no one will ask me to back it up, but I'll go ahead and do at a later date anyway.

Nooooo worry! When meself ready I will do your own 'psychoanalogy' for you.

Enigma:

A person who says a "Christian community" is not Jesus' Church is talking of someone else's "contradictions"! lol

i said christian community i didn't say christian church. Quit trying to look for fault where there is none

Ubenedictus: i said christian community i didn't say christian church. Quit trying to look for fault where there is none

1. You contradict yourself again of course! How can a Christian community not be a Christian Church? Except in warped Roman Catholic logic of course. lol

2. This is what I said before: A person who says a "Christian community" is not Jesus' Church is talking of someone else's "contradictions"! lol

Ubenedictus: not to spoil the flow but if u are a public atheist ie if other know u are an atheist and die with that disbelive, u wont recieve a catholic burial.

Fortunately, I am not a public atheist
Reverend fathers can be persuaded.

Enigma:

1. You contradict yourself again of course! How can a Christian community not be a Christian Church? Except in warped Roman Catholic logic of course. lol

2. This is what I said before: A person who says a "Christian community" is not Jesus' Church is talking of someone else's "contradictions"! lol

that is because you simply do not understand the terms i use. A christian community is a coming together of people who believe in christ and are baptised in his name. Like a fellowship. When i use the word church i'm refer to that community under a validly ordained bishop and thus can enjoy the fullnes of the sacraments. As you are aware, i consider most protestant churches of having only valid baptism. I call them xtian communities not 'church'.
So be informed,

Logicboy03:

Fortunately, I am not a public atheist
Reverend fathers can be persuaded.

why would you even be thinking of a catholic burial when u don't believe in the afterlife

Ubenedictus: that is because you simply do not understand the terms i use. A christian community is a coming together of people who believe in christ and are baptised in his name. Like a fellowship. When i use the word church i'm refer to that community under a validly ordained bishop and thus can enjoy the fullnes of the sacraments. As you are aware, i consider most protestant churches of having only valid baptism. I call them xtian communities not 'church'.
So be informed,

^^^ Of course you can choose to keep contradicting Jesus Christ because you must subscribe to the idiotic argument of the Roman Catholic Church.

A Christian Community is a Christian Church and is Jesus' Church.

Jesus did not say His church must be subject to some "pope" or some "ordained" bishop. Thankfully!

Enigma:

^^^ Of course you can choose to keep contradicting Jesus Christ because you must subscribe to the idiotic argument of the Roman Catholic Church.

A Christian Community is a Christian Church and is Jesus' Church.

Jesus did not say His church must be subject to some "pope" or some "ordained" bishop. Thankfully!

So, at work, there is a group of christians who sometimes meet and make arrangements to go to camp. Are they a church of co-workers

Ubenedictus: why would you even be thinking of a catholic burial when u don't believe in the afterlife

I am not but my family will

Enigma:

^^^ Of course you can choose to keep contradicting Jesus Christ because you must subscribe to the idiotic argument of the Roman Catholic Church.

A Christian Community is a Christian Church and is Jesus' Church.

Jesus did not say His church must be subject to some "pope" or some "ordained" bishop. Thankfully!

tell me a new joke. If the church didn't need bishop tell me why christ had apostle and why those apostle seem really interested in making bishop every city.besides u are the one with a quote of how the catholic church is a gatherinp around a bishop.
You take pleasure in contradicting yourself.

Logicboy03:


So, at work, there is a group of christians who sometimes meet and make arrangements to go to camp. Are they a church of co-workers

Yes indeed, they are "a church"; indeed, they are "the Church" where they are; they are also part of the universal Christian Church ---- according to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Go and study the origin and meaning of the word Church. Go and read and study the Bible and see references to the Church that meets in a {your} house etc etc etc

Read also my second or third post on this thread and the explanation of "ekklesia".

Read also the posts of the Anglican friend that I quoted on this thread.

Ubenedictus: tell me a new joke. If the church didn't need bishop tell me why christ had apostle and why those apostle seem really interested in making bishop every city.besides u are the one with a quote of how the catholic church is a gatherinp around a bishop.
You take pleasure in contradicting yourself.

Jesus did not and does not require His Church to have "popes" or "ordained" (whatever you mean by that) bishops. Go and read The Didache where it instructs Christian groups to appoint for themselves bishops/elders.

By the way, this is what I first said about Ignatius statement:

First I return to Ignatius who was the one who coined and the first to use the expression "the catholic Church". While Ignatius was a strong supporter of the role of a bishop in worship, he also believed that each individual church was in itself complete and a part of the universal church.

However, even whilst still expounding/extolling the role of a bishop (possibly even questionably somewhat), Ignatius said another interesting thing in his Epistle to The Smyrnaeans:

. . . even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church*

* another translation:

even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal Church

ETA http://www.jhu.edu/gcf/lessons/IgnatiusSmyrnaeans.pdf



Now where have I heard something similar before? Oh, here (Matthew 18:20):

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

A good thing our brother Jero subscribes to St. Ignatius words. Or does he? Let us find out.

Below are Chapters 8 and 9 which contains the quote "where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church" in St. Ignatius' letter to the Smyrnaeans.

LETTER OF ST. IGNATIUS TO THE SMYRNAEANS. Chapters 8 & 9.

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Chapter 9. Honour the bishop

Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Let all things, then, abound to you through grace, for you are worthy. You have refreshed me in all things, and Jesus Christ [shall refresh] you. You have loved me when absent as well as when present. May God recompense you, for whose sake, while you endure all things, you shall attain unto Him.

End...

It is clear how the hypocrite Jero insists on twisting the clear message of this holy man.

Crybaby can't read or demonstrate decent comprehension.

Enigma: .....

However, even whilst still expounding/extolling the role of a bishop (possibly even questionably somewhat), Ignatius said another interesting thing .......

And elsewhere:

Enigma: ^^^ Any sensible person can see that: (1) I gave the backround of Ignatius' statement when he spoke about the role of bishops which I said is not even wholly accurate; and (2) that I gave two separate links to two separate translations of Ignatius' full let[t]er......

Shhh! Let the holy man counsel you.

"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father."

Let Jesus Christ Himself convict the Roman Catholic "Church".


(Matthew 18:20):

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

italo: Shhh! Let the holy man counsel you.

"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father."

let what the 'holy man' says rhyme with Gods word. Where in the bible does it say we should follow any bishop? We are led by the spirit of God. The pastor or bishop SHEPHERDS the congregation under the guidance of God through his spirit and word.

Enigma:

(Matthew 18:20):

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

Amen! Amen! We Catholics believe Jesus is present in any community that gathers in his name. But we know that that community is not necessarily his Church.

For how can Jesus say to his "church?": "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"--Matt 7:23.

"I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!"--Luke 13:27.

How can Jesus (the bridegroom) deny knowledge of his Church (the bride)?

How can the head not know the body?

This Jesus you are talking about is certainly not my Jesus...and that "church" is definitely not his Church.

"AWAY FROM ME! YOU LAWLESS PEOPLE!"--Jesus Christ.

Back to Jero's beloved St. Ignatius:

"Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop."--St. Ignatius.

Obviously the man believes there is no Church without Bishop.

St Ignatius continues:

"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

"It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid."--St Ignatius.

italo:

Amen! Amen! We Catholics believe Jesus is present in any community that gathers in his name. But we know that that community is not necessarily his Church.

A community that gathers in Jesus' name and in which Jesus is present that is not Jesus' Church!

Utterly ludicrous and contradictory Roman Catholic idiocy!

italo: For how can Jesus say to his "church?": "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"--Matt 7:23.

"I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!"--Luke 13:27.

How can Jesus (the bridegroom) deny knowledge of his Church (the bride)?

How can the head not know the body?

This Jesus you are talking about is certainly not my Jesus...and that "church" is definitely not his Church.

"AWAY FROM ME! YOU LAWLESS PEOPLE!"--Jesus Christ.

Of course He can be expected to say that to the Roman Catholic "Church" as I have demonstrated here and here

And I can yet produce more samples if/when required.