Hmmm, sniff sniff.

Well, for the benefit of people honestly assessing the facts, even the Roman Catholic Church admits to the word "catholic" in the small 'c' adjectival sense. It does so in no less than its own Catechism to start with!

Again from one I made earlier https://www.nairaland.com/1104124/problem-catholism-an-introspection/22#15211441

830 The word “catholic” means “universal,” in the sense of “according to the totality” or “in keeping with the whole.” The Church is catholic in a double sense: (795, 815-816)

First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her. “Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church.”307 In her subsists the fullness of Christ’s body united with its head; this implies that she receives from him “the fullness of the means of salvation”308 which he has willed: correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession. The Church was, in this fundamental sense, catholic on the day of Pentecost309 and will always be so until the day of the Parousia.

Oh and by the way, the Eastern Orthodox Church aka the Orthodox Catholic Church also throws a 'smackdown' concerning "catholic" in the small 'c' adjectival sense.

Yet again from one I made earlier https://www.nairaland.com/1254965/eastern-orthodox-church-orthodox-catholic#15210581

270. Why is the Church called Catholic, or, which is the same thing, Universal?

Because she is not limited to any place, nor time, nor people, but contains true believers of all places, times, and peoples.

The Apostle Paul says that the Word of the Gospel is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit (Coloss. i. 5, 6), and that in the Christian Church there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, barbarian nor Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Coloss. iii. 11. They which be of faith, are blessed with faithful Abraham. Gal. iii. 9.

ENIGMA QUOTING YOUR CRAP WRITEUP IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME BUT I THINK YOU ARE THE MOST JOBLESS ANIMAL I HAVE EVER SEEN!

GO AND GET LIFE AND READ THE BIBLE AS THOUGH IT FELL FROM HEAVEN OR WAS COMPOSED BY YOUR GRANDFATHER!!

THIS IS WHAT LACK OF CONFIDENCE CAUSE HAD IT BEEN YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN WHICHEVER CHURCH YOU ATTEND YOU WOULD NOT HAVE COME OUT TO VOMIT THIS TRASH!!!

^^^^

Where is that Idi Amin gif when you need it?

Edit: found it!

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Enigma, you can argue with yourself all you like.

THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOUR MINISTRY DID NOT COMPILE THE BIBLE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH COMPILED THE BIBLE AND THAT IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.


FUNNY HOW THESE PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS THAT ALWAYS CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN THE RIGHTEOUS PATH OF CHRIST CAN NOT ACCEPT SIMPLE TRUTH

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Logicboy03: Enigma, you can argue with yourself all you like.

THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOUR MINISTRY DID NOT COMPILE THE BIBLE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH COMPILED THE BIBLE AND THAT IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.


FUNNY HOW THESE PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS THAT ALWAYS CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN THE RIGHTEOUS PATH OF CHRIST CAN NOT ACCEPT SIMPLE TRUTH

Protestants should accept SIMPLE TRUTH from you.Are you capable of telling any truth even if you flex all your muscles.We are all used to it.

Logicboy03: Enigma, you can argue with yourself all you like.

THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOUR MINISTRY DID NOT COMPILE THE BIBLE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH COMPILED THE BIBLE AND THAT IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.


FUNNY HOW THESE PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS THAT ALWAYS CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN THE RIGHTEOUS PATH OF CHRIST CAN NOT ACCEPT SIMPLE TRUTH

I wonder what role Apostolic succession, or even any traditional lineage plays in determining whether the RCC is the same as the Roman church that Paul wrote the Letter to the Romans to. Is the issue a matter of when we started calling it RCC or whether it is the same institution regardless of what name it is called.

Hmmm .. The Problem of Identity.

In philosophy, identity, from Latin: identitas ("sameness", is the relation each thing bears just to itself.[1][2] The notion of identity gives rise to many philosophical problems, including the identity of indiscernibles (if x and y share all their properties, are they one and the same thing?), and questions about change and personal identity over time (what has to be the case for a person x at one time and a person y at a later time to be one and the same person?). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(philosophy)

Sniff sniff "apostolic succession" lol.

Edit: oh, and "problem of identity" too! Yeah, just like 'Trigger's broom'. Double lol

Big brova Enigma, still on this catholic issue?? Hian!! Whether Catholic o, catholic o, caTHoliC o, abeg leave them be o jare. To each his own.

Ishi babes, lef me and dem; no separate us oh!

More seriously, this particular thread is an old one that seemed to have run its course until someone revived it recently.

So in other words the Church no longer exists.

Enigma: Ishi babes, lef me and dem; no separate us oh!

More seriously, this particular thread is an old one that seemed to have run its course until someone revived it recently.

I think I did. lol

enigma you can play this game all day and claim that changing the sense of the word catholic from noun to adjective changes the church, that won't make it true. From ancient times the word catholic has been used by christians both as a noun and as an adjective, and never has the word sense implied a change or discontinuity of the church. Your anglican arguement has no base.

^^ The bottom line is that the Church established by Jesus Christ can be found wherever two or three are gathered in His name; and that Church is not subject to the authority of some "pope"!

That Church does not need any other name except "the Church of Christ" or "the Christian Church".

That Church is not bound by or subject to denominations --- whether Roman Catholic or Cutlass Sharp Sharp Ministry etc etc

Enigma: ^^ The bottom line is that the Church established by Jesus Christ can be found wherever two or three are gathered in His name; and that Church is not subject to the authority of some "pope"!

That Church does not need any other name except "the Church of Christ" or "the Christian Church".

That Church is not bound by or subject to denominations --- whether Roman Catholic or Cutlass Sharp Sharp Ministry etc etc

you quoted ignatius in your op, i recall he didnt share this veiw, or do you quote him only when it seems to suit you? A 'church' without ordained ministry. Weldone!

^^^ So, basically you do not believe what Jesus Christ said --- that where two or three are gathered in His name, He is there in their midst.

Just like He was in the midst of all those people who met in houses as we are told in the Bible. They did not have and did not need any "pope".

Just as He is there in the midst of those who meet in houses and even in secret in countries where Christianity is not exactly freely allowed. They do not have and do not need any "pope"! Thankfully!

Yet, they are all part of the one Church of Christ.

What does it mean to be gathered 'in my name'?

Pastor AIO:

What does it mean to be gathered 'in my name'?

@Pastor AIO

Ghenghen! Pastor AIO!! - Jokingly, my fav trouble stirrer !!!

You've been on a shabbat?

Anyway FBO others

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2012/08/where-two-or-three-are-gathered-and-other-bad-interpretations/

This guy continues his merry-go-round.

Poor you.

When an Anglican ignores the history of the Anglican "church" and focuses on the history of the Catholic Church...

...you know somebody's ashamed of something.

^^ Ah, crybaby show face, Pele oh.

Where two or three are gathered in Jesus' name, He is there right in the midst of them.

Oh, and of course they don't need some "pope".

Small time now, Roman Catholics go begin claim Chrysostom!

Enuwe, here is a prayer associated with him:

"Almighty God, you have given us grace at this time with one accord to make our common supplication to you; and you have promised through your well-beloved Son that when two or three are gathered together in his Name you will be in the midst of them: Fulfill now, O Lord, our desires and petitions as may be best for us; granting us in this world knowledge of your truth, and in the age to come life everlasting. Amen"

Pastor AIO: What does it mean to be gathered 'in my name'?

interesting...

Enigma: Small time now, Roman Catholics go begin claim Chrysostom!

Enuwe, here is a prayer associated with him:

"Almighty God, you have given us grace at this time with one accord to make our common supplication to you; and you have promised through your well-beloved Son that when two or three are gathered together in his Name you will be in the midst of them: Fulfill now, O Lord, our desires and petitions as may be best for us; granting us in this world knowledge of your truth, and in the age to come life everlasting. Amen"

the last time i checked chysostum was an ordained minister, who lead a christian community and excluded heretics, he didn't hold the opinion u are teaching. That brings back pastor aio question, what does it is mean to bet 'gathered in his name'?

^^^ Right there before you!

Chrysostom agreed with me and more importantly with the Lord Jesus Christ that where two or three are gathered in Jesus' name, He i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ is with them.

Of course Chrysostom did not suggest that they need some "pope" for Jesus to be in their midst.

No surprise though, since Chrysostom was not a Roman Catholic.

Enigma: ^^^ Right there before you!

Chrysostom agreed with me and more importantly with the Lord Jesus Christ that where two or three are gathered in Jesus' name, He i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ is with them.

Of course Chrysostom did not suggest that they need some "pope" for Jesus to be in their midst.

No surprise though, since Chrysostom was not a Roman Catholic.

really, so chysostum also supported the gathering of heretics? Got back and read his writtings and stopt clinging to straws.

Of course, you cannot handle the prayer of Chrysostom ---- since it is opposed to the Roman Catholic falsehood and nonsense.

Most crucially, it is a promise of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself ---- but of course Roman Catholics esteem their "church" and their "popes" higher than Jesus ------- by their own very words and from their own very mouths (or pens etc)!

Ubenedictus: really, so chysostum also supported the gathering of heretics? Got back and read his writtings and stopt clinging to straws.

By the way, confirm now openly that:

1. The Anglicans are heretics;
2. The Anglicans do not have "apostolic succession", as
3. Anglican orders are "absolutely null and utterly void".

First, the Anglicans broke off from the Catholic Church in their support of open adultery...

...then they so desperately want to validate themselved by being associated with the Catholic Church.

and just so i know what i'm discussing about, give a link that attribute the said prayer to chrysostom.
Lastly how do you understand the passage on 'where 2 or 3 are gathered?

^^^ I'm not giving you anything! Your choice what you want to do or what you want to discuss or what you want to post.

You don't even have to answer my questions! Although I will continue to ask such questions, make such points, and use "quotations" that I consider to be "of pertinence".

Ah, here is one more question; and you don't even have to answer it, just like you haven't answered the last set.


Thousands of Anglicans will be holding church services tomorrow, some even including 'Holy Communion': will Jesus Christ be in the midst of them?

^^^...will never make them Jesus' Church.

They'll always be King Henry's visa to open adultery.