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Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:23am On May 07, 2013
ijawkid:

So Àll you want is for me to pray to God and then come forward for a gun shot test..??...smh!!!!!.......


And then what do I gain by doing that??...the last time I checked the holy spirit that was poured out was to enable me preach the goodnews about Gods kingdom down to the end and not to test run bullet§ from a Gun with it...........

the greater works Jesus was talking about was in reference to the preaching work and not the performing of miracles........

Don't quote scriptures you don't understand.........


Thats the christian way of dodging challenge. If anybody quote bible to battle your ground, you say they dont understand.

Explain what I dont understand before accusing me pls.

Your God is all powerful. Pray to him and make this happen or agree he is not powerful. If you refuse to do this, we both agree that the African Traditional Religion is more and far better in nature than your Renowed Jewish Religion.
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:24am On May 07, 2013
ijawkid:

Of what use would it be to invoke the power of God to shield me from bullets just for showy display??..........


All to prove to atheist(who are denying reality) that there are powers beÝond what we see as humans??.......

Make them go rest for dustbin....there body go tell them something soon...grin

To prove his Omnipotency. And that he is for real and works for you. Period
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 3:36pm On May 10, 2013
Leebeedo: Nigeria is doomed! I live and work in Lafia and I want to give u guys a full gist of what really happened.
Everything boils down to 2015 gubernatorial race. The Egon people said they are tired of been ruled by foreigners (i.e migrants from Maiduguri) which the current governor Umaru Tanko Almakura and the emir of Lafia are and so they’ve started preparing for 2015 elections. The militia group actually recruited youths but they never did it forcefully, Egon youths voluntarily enlisted themselves because we never heard of such occurrence @ the church (Egons are predominantly Christians, say 98%). Sometimes, we see the militia group matching around Lafia peacefully with their black uniform not disturbing anyone or causing mayhem and even sometimes, we see their leader drive around his SUV robed with all sort of charms and we laughed.
The governor got scared because of the growing strength of the militia and even attacked them severally through Fulani herdsmen, they even killed a Fulani herdsman close to my house early this year.
The governor’s second shot was through the emir. He invited the chief priest to his palace and tried to charm him but the chief priest defeated him and it was even rumoured that the emir was dead that period. (RUMOUR)
Discovering that he couldn’t succeed with his Fulani herdsmen and the emir strategy, he decided to use the police, SSS and civil defence guys through the commissioner of police, one stupid Yoruba man that doesn’t know his job and really good at driving around Lafia with his dead BMW disturbing with siren sound. The commissioner fell for it and he sent his boys to arrest the chief priest of the militia. They claim to have gone there peacefully to arrest him, but ask why they went with machine guns. The killed some of the militia guys but the militia wiped them all, just about 6 of them escaped. I don’t think the militia group used guns because I went to the hospital where they deposited their remains (Dalahatu Specialist Hospital at Shendam road) and I saw deep cutlass cuts on them and I also saw stuffs like blue powder on them, they were burnt and were over 100 in number. Immediately this happened, the governor ran to Abuja and later ran to kano probably to meet with the emir. The commissioner cried all through but many don’t know why he cried. It’s because he’s to retire in 2 months’ time but now will likely face dismissal.
The candidate egons want to put forward is Solomon Ewugha (not sure of the spelling)


Mazaje, I think you may want to take your bullet-proof charm testing to the Ombatse cult group of Nassarawa state
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by styca(m): 9:04pm On May 10, 2013
coputa: The fire fly and clothes examples i gave are supernatural occurrences among others...every individual has different ways they are affected by supernatural occurrences in their lives..its now left for you to observe these things repeatedly and the attendant effects...some are warning signs while others are for approval...these are forces that man cannot comprehend,..science has no bearing close to it..you just told the whole world that you have a dormant brain....please think deeply and be free from bondage..

brother...see can't you differentiate between supernatural and superstition... A fire fly perches on you and there is a visitor waiting for you?? Heck..thats your belief man and doesn't make it anymore supernatural than me striking my left foot on a stone and thinking that bad thing is about to happen
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by styca(m): 9:04pm On May 10, 2013
coputa: The fire fly and clothes examples i gave are supernatural occurrences among others...every individual has different ways they are affected by supernatural occurrences in their lives..its now left for you to observe these things repeatedly and the attendant effects...some are warning signs while others are for approval...these are forces that man cannot comprehend,..science has no bearing close to it..you just told the whole world that you have a dormant brain....please think deeply and be free from bondage..
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 10:32pm On May 10, 2013
ezme:

Mazaje, I think you may want to take your bullet-proof charm testing to the Ombatse cult group of Nassarawa state

This are militia men, them go shoot nonsense commut for my body. . . .They skillfully un armed the federal agents that were sent to them and shut them . . .According to the police reports some of the bodies had bullet wounds all over them . . .They ambused the police officers . . .If i near them them go just shot nonsense commut for my body. . .
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 10:59pm On May 10, 2013
mazaje:

This are militia men, them go shoot nonsense commut for my body. . . .They skillfully un armed the federal agents that were sent to them and shut them . . .According to the police reports some of the bodies had bullet wounds all over them . . .They ambused the police officers . . .If i near them them go just shot nonsense commut for my body. . .

Read the account I got from another thread above, personally I believe the Police is lying about being shot at. These people are Spartans, probably being lead by a "Spartacus" and trained in battle by a "Doctore".

Where is ijawkid? Are you sure your Egbesu/Asawanna boys are as ruthless as the Eggon group?
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by coputa(m): 6:03am On May 11, 2013
@styca...there is nothing like superstitious belief else the white man wouldnt have come here to buy traditional idol and participate in our traditional festivals....the word superstiton was coined to deceive the blacks/Africans so that we as a people would not be able to discover ourselves,hence the age long ignorance,backwaqdness and confused state of Africa.....we have daily supernatural encounters,without our knowledge because we have been brainwashed by foreign religious beliefs and culture....
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by styca(m): 12:04pm On May 11, 2013
@ coputa.. I try as much as i could to understand you...i like what you typed about whites coming here to enjoy our traditional festivals... This talks always leads me to wonder at the role the group belief of a people plays... These occurrances might be true for those who belief in such but that doesn't make it a universal truth. If it is so,, then let those who talk of such things perform such feats in such a way that they will be objectively observed. In that way it will be proved that it is true and the procedures documented for posterity. I hope you get where am going... Am not disputing that these things don't happen but i cannot accept them to be facts, until those aforementioned conditions are met.
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 12:29pm On May 11, 2013
ezme:

Read the account I got from another thread above, personally I believe the Police is lying about being shot at. These people are Spartans, probably being lead by a "Spartacus" and trained in battle by a "Doctore".

Where is ijawkid? Are you sure your Egbesu/Asawanna boys are as ruthless as the Eggon group?

The police were truly shot at. .They Eggon group had one of the police officers on their side, he told was informing them on the every movement the police were making, so they had time to plan a counter attack. . .The shut and killed most of the police officers. . .
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ezme(m): 12:32pm On May 11, 2013
mazaje:

The police were truly shot at. .They Eggon group had one of the police officers on their side, he told was informing them on the every movement the police were making, so they had time to plan a counter attack. . .The shut and killed most of the police officers. . .

I guess you are choosing to go with the Police's side of the story. Until I see pictures with the gunshot wounds, I prefer to go with Leebeedo's account.
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by coputa(m): 3:11pm On May 11, 2013
@styca..,i am happy that you are now getting a clearer picture of what i was explaining....supernatural occurencies is not science that will be documented...there are no two person that are the same on earth,each individual has his own encounter,which is different fron the other...it comes through things that are found in your environment,....must it be documented before it can be factual for you to believe....what of the loads of lies that the whites documented for us to read,does it make sense to you....e.g the Darwin theory of evolution that makes us believe that man (exluding whites) evolves from Ape,.is this the kind of fairy tales that you want to believe....
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Purist(m): 3:31pm On May 11, 2013
coputa: @styca..,i am happy that you are now getting a clearer picture of what i was must it be documented before it can be factual for you to believe....what of the loads of lies that the whites documented for us to read,does it make sense to you....e.g the Darwin theory of evolution that makes us believe that man (exluding whites) evolves from Ape,.is this the kind of fairy tales that you want to believe....

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Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by styca(m): 10:29pm On May 11, 2013
coputa: @styca..,i am happy that you are now getting a clearer picture of what i was explaining....supernatural occurencies is not science that will be documented...there are no two person that are the same on earth,each individual has his own encounter,which is different fron the other...it comes through things that are found in your environment,....must it be documented before it can be factual for you to believe....what of the loads of lies that the whites documented for us to read,does it make sense to you....e.g the Darwin theory of evolution that makes us believe that man (exluding whites) evolves from Ape,.is this the kind of fairy tales that you want to believe....

@ coputa...remember i said i tried to understand you...well i think i have. You seems to be having a thing for the whites...thats my opinion though.
Back to the topic..you know why your Darwin example does not hold, he(darwin) saw something, became curious, examined what he saw, came to a conclusion and documented it. Others read what he wrote, observed the same thing as him and also came to the same conclusion. You see, if you truly understand what the word supernatural means, then, you might be forced to take another stance. The question we should try to answer first is: when do we say that something is supernatural?...granted that we don't have a complete knowledge of how our world works..it could also be possible that those things we term supernatural are merely natural occurrences of which we have no knowledge of the underlying principles. So bro. I will just say before you say something is supernatural, make sure you have exhausted every avenue of enquiry open to you..
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by daylae(m): 11:09pm On May 11, 2013
There are various encounters of the supernatural,but only to those willing to delve into investigating spiritism, and other metaphisical empiricism and allusions. But you must know and understand that there is no such thing as an impartial observer of the supernatural,especially from a detached,scientific standpoint. To investigate it is to be part of it,just as surely as you cannot experiance life without belonging to a particular race. The supernatural world is no safe place,but a war zone! You don't go into it without taking a side.
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by coputa(m): 11:22pm On May 11, 2013
@styca" granted that we dont have a complete knowledge of how our world works"....".those things we term supernatural are merely natural occurrencies of which we have no knowledge of the underlying principles ". The above statement in your post shows that you are in a complete accord with me.....a natural occurence that you dont understand is simply a supernatural phenominon.....let me give you another example when a new born child hicaups,a single string of thread is pulled from a cloth and placed on his/her head,this will stop it immediately also a little child that is afraid of his or her own shadows will be flogged with a broom on his foot,this will restore the child back to normal..these were documented orally by our fore fathers.,it was their personal supernatural encounters that were passed from one generation to another.....
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by styca(m): 8:59am On May 12, 2013
@ coputa...am smiling to myself reading your post.... Now i know you are pro-africa. You i had to look up what supernatural means and i see is anything that cannot be explained using known scientific knowledge. Those examples you gave were familiar...yet they are in the realm of SUPERSTITION..i have a baby of five months here and i tried that,i timed how long it will take for him to stop hiccuping with the thread on his head(3 mins), then later after about 5hrs he started again, instead of using the thread i gave him water and it took (2mins) to subside,..well i concluded that putting thread on his head is not supernatural,the next time he hiccups am not going to give him anything to see how long it takes for it to stop. Having said that..that we don't know the laws governing an event doesn't make the event supernatural..it is a natural law waiting to be discovered.
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:34pm On May 25, 2013
Since Mazaje has said he will try to confirm supernaturals, I as a person is ready to prove this to him.

But is this guy really serious about this?
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 4:49pm On May 25, 2013
Lol.

When's the date?
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:07pm On May 25, 2013
musKeeto: Lol.

When's the date?

From my side, anytime from now. But I dont know mazaje stand on this. Dont know if really he want this as he said or just saying to please people
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 5:15pm On May 25, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

From my side, anytime from now. But I dont know mazaje stand on this. Dont know if really he want this as he said or just saying to please people

I am NOT kidding. . .I will buzz you very soon via email . . .Am very serious anout this, but we will have to get some things sorted out first, I will send you an email when am ready cos the last time I did this, I got into some trouble. . .The hospital people refused to treat the guy at first saying we should bring a police report since it was a gun shut wound. . .It was quite an ordel but at the end we were able to have our way and the treated him after he lost so much blood, I thought he was going to die. I wouldn't want such to happen again. I will send you and email and we will prepare for it all. I will be coming back very soon. . .I am NOT kidding about this . . .We will make it known and logicboy will also be there, cos I know he will want to witness it as well. . . .
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:35pm On May 25, 2013
mazaje:

I am NOT kidding. . .I will buzz you very soon via email . . .Am very serious anout this, but we will have to get some things sorted out first, I will send you an email when am ready cos the last time I did this, I got into some trouble. . .The hospital people refused to treat the guy at first saying we should bring a police report since it was a gun shut wound. . .It was quite an ordel but at the end we were able to have our way and the treated him after he lost so much blood, I thought he was going to die. I wouldn't want such to happen again. I will send you and email and we will prepare for it all. I will be coming back very soon. . .I am NOT kidding about this . . .We will make it known and logicboy will also be there, cos I know he will want to witness it as well. . . .

which ever way you want it. And dont forget to get camera man. We got something to show nairalanders
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 5:36pm On May 25, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

which ever way you want it. And dont forget to get camera man. We got something to show nairalanders

Sure man. . .It will be well arranged. . .No need discussing much here. .I will send you and email and we will make proper arrangements . . . .
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:49pm On May 25, 2013
mazaje:

Sure man. . .I will be well arranged. . .No need discussing much here. .I will send you and email and we will make proper arrangements . . . .

better
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Nobody: 5:54pm On May 25, 2013
I have a feeling that at the end of all this, if the juju fails, the 'believers' would claim it was only a setup by atheists. I would have preferred ijawkid's brothers..
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Purist(m): 5:55pm On May 25, 2013
@mazaje and FOLYKAZE

The full terms and conditions of this bullet-proof jazz test should be stated on this thread (or create a new thread) so that both parties, and the rest of us, can see and AGREE on what constitutes the "jazz" success or failure. At the moment, it seems all we have on the part of FOLYKAZE is the assumption (or assurance) that a bullet will be shot and will fail. But how do you define this failure?

- Will the gun jam?
- Will the shooter miss his target?
- Will the bullet fail to penetrate and bounce off the target's body?
- Will the target fail to bleed even when he/she is hit?
- Will he/she bleed but will still be fine at the end?
- Will the target feel no pain after being shot?

How EXACTLY are you gonna be able to say conclusively that the bullet-proof jazz works 100%? Note that 99.99999% is no definitive proof. You guys have to state these things publicly before either party beings to change mouth depending on the outcome of the test. In other words, the terms should somewhat be in the following unequivocal form:

1) If 'A' happens, the test has succeeded (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is REAL and works as claimed).
2) ELSE, the test has failed (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is FAKE and does not work as claimed).

Over to you, guys.
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ijawkid(m): 5:55pm On May 25, 2013
mazaje:

This are militia men, them go shoot nonsense commut for my body. . . .They skillfully un armed the federal agents that were sent to them and shut them . . .According to the police reports some of the bodies had bullet wounds all over them . . .They ambused the police officers . . .If i near them them go just shot nonsense commut for my body. . .

Lmao...grin...mazaje don fear fear......I wanted to recommend those guys to you...just quietly meet them and explain to them that you wanna test run there ode-eshi juju powers to be sure if the bullet proof juju works or not......

.........
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ijawkid(m): 5:57pm On May 25, 2013
ezme:

Read the account I got from another thread above, personally I believe the Police is lying about being shot at. These people are Spartans, probably being lead by a "Spartacus" and trained in battle by a "Doctore".

Where is ijawkid? Are you sure your Egbesu/Asawanna boys are as ruthless as the Eggon group?

O men those guys them bad o.........but the egbesu boys are up to the task as well.........

grin
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 6:00pm On May 25, 2013
Purist: @mazaje and FOLYKAZE

The full terms and conditions of this bullet-proof jazz test should be stated on this thread (or create a new thread) so that both parties, and the rest of us, can see and AGREE on what constitutes the "jazz" success or failure. At the moment, it seems all we have on the part of FOLYKAZE is the assumption (or assurance) that a bullet will be shot and will fail. But how do you define this failure?

- Will the gun jam?
- Will the shooter miss his target?
- Will the bullet fail to penetrate and bounce off the target's body?
- Will the target fail to bleed even when he/she is hit?
- Will he/she bleed but will still be fine at the end?
- Will the target feel no pain after being shot?

How EXACTLY are you gonna be able to say conclusively that the bullet-proof jazz works 100%? Note that 99.99999% is no definitive proof. You guys have to state these things publicly before either party beings to change mouth depending on the outcome of the test. In other words, the terms should somewhat be in the following unequivocal form:

1) If 'A' happens, the test has succeeded (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is REAL and works as claimed).
2) ELSE, the test has failed (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is FAKE and does not work as claimed).

Over to you, guys.

Ok. . .Here is my position. . .I will come with my own fully functional AK 47. . .I will shoot and the gun will not Jam and if it hits the target the bullet must penetrate . . .This is my position and this is what i aim to achieve. . .FOLYKAZE over to you. . .
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by ijawkid(m): 6:00pm On May 25, 2013
musKeeto: I have a feeling that at the end of all this, if the juju fails, the 'believers' would claim it was only a setup by atheists. I would have preferred ijawkid's brothers..

Lol......grin........

Ona go prefer any group ona meet o......the asawana juju full everywhere and every tribe......come and shoot......
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by mazaje(m): 6:01pm On May 25, 2013
ijawkid:

Lmao...grin...mazaje don fear fear......I wanted to recommend those guys to you...just quietly meet them and explain to them that you wanna test run there ode-eshi juju powers to be sure if the bullet proof juju works or not......

.........


Baba you dey mad?. . .You no see say those guy rugged?. . .I no dey for that one ohh. . .If i shoot their brother injure am the next thing them go just tie me up burn me alive. . .I no dey ohh. . .
Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by Purist(m): 6:07pm On May 25, 2013
mazaje:

Ok. . .Here is my position. . .I will come with my own fully functional AK 47. . .I will shoot and the gun will not Jam and if it hits the target the bullet must penetrate . . .This is my position and this is what i aim to achieve. . .FOLYKAZE over to you. . .

Good.

In other words, when the trigger of your own firearm is pulled and the bullet penetrates the target, regardless of what happens to target next (whether he/she is able to resist the pain, or somehow fail to bleed, etc), you would have proven that bullet-proof jazz is FAKE and does NOT work as claimed.

Is this your position, mazaje? And do you agree with this, FOLYKAZE?


EDIT: By 'penetration', I suppose you mean that the bullet will actually enter or pierce the target's body. (We need to define these things properly before someone comes to tell us penetration means something else. grin )

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