Uyi Iredia:

That's assuming the precedent. We need a clear cut case of healing. Below is the picture of my Dad . . . bed-ridden due to partial stroke for almost 4 years now. People from our family's church have prayed to no avail, pastors have prayed to no avail, I prayed to no avail. Now let's see if God will heed your prayer.

omonuan: If you can't handle snakes and drink poison without harm, you can't perform any healing according to Mark 16:18.

As recently as October 1998, the Knoxville News-Sentinel ran the following story:

"One of the prominent leaders of snake-handling churches in the Southeast died October 3 after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a church service at the Rock House Holiness Church in rural northeastern Alabama. John Wayne "Punkin" Brown, Jr., of Parrottsville, Tennessee, was preaching with his own 3-foot-long timber rattler in hand when the reptile sank one fang into his finger.

Mr. Brown's wife, Melinda, had died three years earlier from a rattlesnake bite received at the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name Church in Middlesboro, Kentucky. The Browns left behind five young children. The Brown's had been bitten dozens of times prior to the fatal bites."

Some people might say this man and his wife were dummies but they were following the Biblical injunctions to the letter albeit to their own detriment. Please folks don't be fooled!

For me to believe that you can do faith healing you must take "otapia pia" in my presence, handle a spitting cobra and if no harm comes to you, I will then believe you can heal the sick. Anything else is pure deceit.

christemmbassey: if u dont know that Jesus FAILED TO HEAL SOME PPL not bc the healing virtue had dried up but bc of their lack of faith, it means u still have a lot to cover, when the disciples could not heal a boy brought to then in Jesus absence, what did he tell them afterwards? My bro ur problems UNBELIEVE. God bless.

salt 1:

I see that many people are confusing miracle with magic. God will never do magic to satisfy idle curiosity or to show approval of higher powers bestowed on any individual. When Satan asked Jesus to take a leap, he argued that after all God has given His angels charge but Jesus answered that you shouldn't tempt the Lord your God. If snakes are mistakenly stepped on, or something dangerous to health is mistakenly ingested, God can, in answer to the prayer of faith CHOOSE to spare the person's life. But to willfully endanger your life and expect that God should perform magic or as a show of great faith neither glorifies God nor edifies the church. That attitude is ungodly. It equates God to an idol that you can mumble some things and he begins to do magic. All powers belong to God and He won't share His glory with anybody else.

God heals today: when He sees that it will give him honour and encourage somebody's faith. The steps to receiving healing are laid out in James 5: 13 -15: first pray for yourself, next ask for the elders of the church(not a miracle-worker) who will anoint you with oil and pray over you and the prayer of faith shall heal the sick.
Does God still heal? Yes! I have been healed countless times in answer to prayer. So have members of my family. But I prayed to God myself and in a few cases, requested prayer from the elders as instructed

The person who mentioned speaking in tongues, let me tell you that people are still receiving the genuine experience: speaking a language which a native speaker will understand and which was never previously learnt, neither is it gibberish.

If you want the real manifestation of God in your life, you will pay the prize: confess and forsake your sins and live a holy life. You won't need any miracle worker but your communication with God will make miracles normal everyday occurrences in your life

salt 1:

I see that many people are confusing miracle with magic. God will never do magic to satisfy idle curiosity or to show approval of higher powers bestowed on any individual. When Satan asked Jesus to take a leap, he argued that after all God has given His angels charge but Jesus answered that you shouldn't tempt the Lord your God. If snakes are mistakenly stepped on, or something dangerous to health is mistakenly ingested, God can, in answer to the prayer of faith CHOOSE to spare the person's life. But to willfully endanger your life and expect that God should perform magic or as a show of great faith neither glorifies God nor edifies the church. That attitude is ungodly. It equates God to an idol that you can mumble some things and he begins to do magic. All powers belong to God and He won't share His glory with anybody else.

God heals today: when He sees that it will give him honour and encourage somebody's faith. The steps to receiving healing are laid out in James 5: 13 -15: first pray for yourself, next ask for the elders of the church(not a miracle-worker) who will anoint you with oil and pray over you and the prayer of faith shall heal the sick.
Does God still heal? Yes! I have been healed countless times in answer to prayer. So have members of my family. But I prayed to God myself and in a few cases, requested prayer from the elders as instructed.

The person who mentioned speaking in tongues, let me tell you that people are still receiving the genuine experience: speaking a language which a native speaker will understand and which was never previously learnt, neither is it gibberish.

If you want the real manifestation of God in your life, you will pay the prize: confess and forsake your sins and live a holy life. You won't need any miracle worker but your communication with God will make miracles normal everyday occurrences in your life

omonuan:

I cited the verse where the yardstick for healing has to be measured according to the Bible. You are the one calling biblical quotes "magic." I knew your ilk would come out of the woodwork, and rain abuses. Go and read Mark 16:18. I did not write it and it was not modified by me in any way unlike the Op of this thread. Out of thy mouth you speaketh and called the verse "magic."

And speaking of Jesus temptation by the satan, the Bible had contradicting stories:

Where Did the Devil Take Jesus?

Matthew 4:5-8: Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: ’He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone." Jesus answered him, "It is also written: ’Do not put the Lord your God to the test." Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ’Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

Satan took Jesus to the pinnacle of the temple, then to the mountain top.

Luke 4:5-9: The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours." Jesus answered, "It is written: ’Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’ The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here"

Satan took Jesus to the mountain first, then the temple. Both stories are inconsistent.

What has the temptation of Christ got to do with Mark 16:17-18 which is the subject of this thread? Are you trying to derail the thread because you don't like the trend?

DrummaBoy:

From what I know their some bible teachers, grace teachers, that believe the world can be classified into dispensation. I came across dispensational teachings via the teachings of R B Thieme Jr. And I think it best explains why Paul teaches that the Law is abolished in Jesus Cross.

Below is a commentary on dispensationalism. I agree with most of what they teach but only depart from them when they insist that 1Corinth 13 shows that the gifts of the Spirit have ceased in our dispensation. Read:

shdemidemi: I believe there is healing but only through God. No believer in this present dispensation has the power to call God to heal any man. All we can do is pray(communicate)to(with) God. If it is part of his will, healing will come at God's time if it is not His will,then that prayer is a futile exercise.

salt 1:
It's unfortunate that you considered my explanation as raining of abuse. How is that so? You actually showed people playing with snakes and I explained that they were tempting God which Jesus said we shouldn't do. Their action tends towards magic and not miracle.
I can't even see the inconsistencies in the two passages you cited. Are you worried that Luke adopted a different chronological order because the content is basically the same? The devil took Jesus to 2 different places and made 2 different demands. How's that inconsistent?

olumyde: @omonuan, where did you get that luke and matthew disagree on where Jesus was tempted? Matthew 4:1 says "then was Jesus led ur of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil". Luke 4:1 says "and Jesus cogni full of the holyghost returned from Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness". Don't allow the devil to use u and pls actually get more familiar with the word of God.

anonimi:

And why do you think God is limited by space to ONLY heal "in the church"?
Is God no longer OMNIPRESENT

Try and read the conversation between Jesus and the Samarritan woman by the well in John 4?

christemmbassey: Some people are saying that there is nothing like healing and the gift of healing in the church today. But the bible says- "and these rigns shall follow them that believe......18......., they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover" (Mark 16:17-18.

Please no abuse or name calling, lets listen to Paul in 2tim2:24-26 and Titus 3:2-6. Lets set the ball rolling- and God bless.

Okiki_Oluwa: Don't get me wrong, God's healing is also for every man.

shdemidemi: I believe there is healing but only through God. No believer in this present dispensation has the power to call God to heal any man. All we can do is pray(communicate)to(with) God. If it is part of his will, healing will come at God's time if it is not His will,then that prayer is a futile exercise.

idnoble135: Healing is very much in place. God still heals. The bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. So if he healed 2000yrs ago, then he can heal again today. In as much as there is FAITH IN THE WORD OF GOD.
Any body that needs enlightenment should pm me. All i can say is healings are real. I have seen many and God through me, the least of saint has healed people.
Healing is real. Jesus gave us the power to heal. We dont hope for healing, we believe for healing. We dont wait for healing, we recieve our healing. This would be too big for some folks to accept.

Mad Cow:


Healing, but yet no Pastor or Christian can pick up a Puff Adder or a Cobra...
I'm yet to see a Christian drink Otapiapia.
And I'm yet to hear of a Christian who can suddenly speak a new language.

Mintayo:

guy you are so funny.
Pls read what you post again,pls!
Dnt misinterprete something if u dnt understand and u are nt ready to understand!

shdemidemi: The mistake most christians make is thinking Abraham,Moses,Elijah,John the baptist and Jesus(in the flesh) were christians. Nooooooo, christianity only started after Christ was declared the son of God through the power of resurrection.
Always and always separate yourself from the jews and the jewish rituals/traditions. The relationship between Christ with the Jews is different from his relationship with a non-jew (gentile).The church came to break the barrier between these two different entities, threfore, when reading our bible we must study the whole of the bible but discern what was written to us as christians and that which is written to the Jewish believer.

If we rightly divide the word of God, we would understand a christian has no power through Christ to heal any man in this age of grace. Apostle Paul wrote to a church in Corinth about spiritual gifts, that partcular church missed every part of the gospel (similar to our contemporary churches today)of Jesus Christ, they were spiritual babies-they pride in speaking in tongues amongst all other gifts. He said to the church in 1 cor 13

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

As far as christians are concerned, the only gifts we have now are the gift of knowledge and prohesy(teaching) in parts. So, as christians, the word of God tells us

3 glory in tribulations(trouble) also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

to be continued.......