PAGAN 9JA:


yes to an extent. but its not so much these days.

fellis:

Ok, thank you for telling me that

Sorry, I couldn't resist
Alright enough of the thanking

I understand what your trying to say, however, the masquerade costume, has to be the type that the Gods approve of. It cannot be used if the gods don't like it not so? For instance it has to be a decent costume costume assuming the gods are the type that ordain decent dressing for all occaisions or for religious festivals. In the end, that costume even though its origins are cultural or if it originated from the people, its usage would be determined by the god's stance. If they complain about it then it is changed, if they say nothing or if they don't complain then the people use it cos they assume their god's silence signifies approval.

I can't give such an example, that's why I said cultures and religion go hand in hand.

onila:

Yr democratic elected rulers or yr traditional rulers?

if traditional rulers then I am disappointed

traditional rulers protect our cultural heritage n epitomize our heritage

in south south and east Nigeria

its our current day pastors that are preaching against masquerades
saying we are going to be possessed by demons and evil spirits if we watch them

onila:

Yr democratic elected rulers or yr traditional rulers?

if traditional rulers then I am disappointed

traditional rulers protect our cultural heritage n epitomize our heritage

in south south and east Nigeria

its our current day pastors that are preaching against masquerades
saying we are going to be possessed by demons and evil spirits if we watch them

CAMEROONPRIDE:

masquerades are stupid, IMHO.
This is hilarious, lol @ being possessed by demons lmao

PAGAN 9JA:


Traditional Rulers.

a couple of years ago, Sarkin Abuja (Suleja) outlawed some masquerades and traditional co.ck tail holding (which is part of traditional Hausa marriage ritual), etc., on the occasion of the mass State sponsored weddings and other such dances and practices.

His explanation was this "Now I have a better understanding of islam".

Im not even making this up. I swear by Lord Dogon Daji, this is what he said.

onila:

thats because u dont have them in that yr beti tribe

its fun

some have nice dance moves and get to chase you ard town

Nigerian masquerades have swag mehn. masquerades in Africa originated from Nigeria

onila:

in igboland and southern Nigeria

you cant be a traditional ruler, if you dont support masquerades or important cultural practices

I guess islam has taken over in the North

onila:

thats because u dont have them in that yr beti tribe

its fun

some have nice dance moves and get to chase you ard town

Nigerian masquerades have swag mehn. masquerades in Africa originated from Nigeria

CAMEROONPRIDE:

God reveled it to me. Are you saying Mohamed knew about Islam before his pseudo revelation? And I know more than you do about Bwiti so don't worry for me, how many times should we tell you, that paganism is not centralized?

deols:

dont tell me uv bn seeing things. You may be suffering from psychosis.

and you are suffering from inferiority complex, Arab slave/worshipper

fellis:
Girls were more vulnerable in the past where weapons for self defence were not as sophisticated as they are today. Pen knives, pepper spray and for females over 18, fire arms.

So Cameroonpride, I am curious, why do you think God opened your mind?

How did you know he was the one telling you paganism was true path?

How are you sure it was Going these things and not just your intuition/gut feeling

CAMEROONPRIDE:

what about countries were weapons,guns are prohibited?

fellis:
I have never heard of a country where it is prohibited to carry a pocket knife. If they cannot carry guns then they can carry pocket knives or pepperspray or rape whistle.
I don't even know what type of vulnerabilty you are saying girls have, men can also be vulnerable for heaven's sake. They can get robbed/mugged or murdered.
The best thing to do is advice your female children (and male children) to avoid lonely places and to avoid parts of the town where crime or violence is rampant.

CAMEROONPRIDE: humans call it intuition or logic but for me it was the message of God, the true revelation. This is the story of my life but it has to be told: I was a good catholic, leading prayers, did all my sacraments, collecting and giving money to the church. Bringing new followers, I did all that for that fake God and his son Jesus. But the day I asked something to the abrahamic God he didn't answer my prayers. I don't think the for what I was praying is required. But his failure showed me that that God doesn't represent me, doesn't represent my identity, then the true one comes to me and show me how and why I have been deceived, how wrong I was to worship someone/something that has been forced on us, something that justified slavery and the killings of my people. Then I went to Europe(God sent), see me empty churches. So I asked myself why do wee keep following this when the people who created it are not interested anymore. I see how African are treated in both religions , can a true Christian or true Muslim b racist? Why do they hate so much? Yet they want to call us Christian or Muslim, why is that an African will never b a pope? Why is that I have to go in Arab land to be a respected Muslim? Yet even there we are still called monkey,etc? My God never encouraged slavery, is not racist,my God doesn't fight and doesn't ask me to fight for him. Etc
If you have more questions go ahead

fellis:

The best thing to do is advice your female children (and male children) to avoid lonely places and to avoid parts of the town where crime or violence is rampant.

CAMEROONPRIDE:
I didn't say men are not vulnerable, I said girls are more vulnerable. can you fight a man? What if they are a gang? Is your pepper spray going to b enough?

CAMEROONPRIDE: I don't think criminals/crimes follow this logic , you can be assaulted everywhere and by everyone, so the best thing to me is to protect the most vulnerable.

CAMEROONPRIDE: [i] I don't know for sure but I think knives are forbidden don't know if the pocket type are also forbidden,but come to think of it ,can you protect yourself with a pocket knife? Also can you kill someone?[i]

CAMEROONPRIDE:

nothing to do with that, I just don't find ugly looking masks and people with dirty clothes funny, I don't see the fun, I mean we ain't toddlers.c'Mon what's funny there?
Lol @ masquerades come from Nigeria

The reasons you stated above have been stated by many atheists as the reasons why they left christianity and islam, ie the slave trading and racism etc

The only difference between you and the atheists is that they credit their realisation to logic, ie they say they drew a logical conclusion that god cannot be racist or endorse slavery. But you say it wasn't a logical realisation for you, you say Zamba did it

The thing is, how do you tell the difference between logical realisations and revelations from Zamba? I am sure you would say those atheists were not guided by Zamba but by their logic. I just want to know what is the diatinguishing characteristic between something you figured out with your brain and something Zamba showed you

PAGAN 9JA:


Its not supposed to be just for entertainment. Its worship through dance and music. its culture. its one way of worship.

comon they are beautiful. you have never seen them live in my opinion. Check out some videos. but you cant compare that to being actuall there.

These days the masks used fetch millions of dollar in the oyinbo market.

Its all about aesthetics and art and spirituality.

fellis:
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For heavens sake! Are you really asking me if you can protect yourself with a pocket knife? I am starting to get the feeling you are just asking me questions because you don't want to agree with me, not because you actually have any sensible questions

, well what do you mean by sensible questions? Maybe we don't have the same image of pocket knife. Anyway I don't agree with you. So let's stop here. I think women are most vulnerable.there's a reason why we have more women raped or assaulted.

CAMEROONPRIDE: . The distinguish characteristic is simple, I'm not atheist I believe in God

fellis:

You can be attacked anywhere but for heaven's sake there are places where there is lowest chance of being atacked. and like I said before, they should be provided with weapons to protect themselves and then there'd be no problem.

CAMEROONPRIDE:

, well what do you mean by sensible questions? Maybe we don't have the same image of pocket knife.

Anyway I don't agree with you. So let's stop here. I think women are most vulnerable.there's a reason why we have more women raped or assaulted.