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Re: Pagan9ja by deols(f): 11:57am On Jun 11, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE: When Fellis challenged your post on women, you changed 'mouth' and started looking for reasons for your statement. Fact is, since paganism has no central law or guiding principle, all that you may entice anyone with is eventually not there. If my biggest fear is polygamy, pagan religion still doesnt help me out of it cos eventually, my faith is determined by my culture. No divine principles |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 12:06pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
deols: we have divine principles who told you the contrary? We have central laws and guiding principles ah ah aren't you Yoruba? I don't get your all that you may entice anyone with is eventually not there. Care to elaborate. It seems like you refuse to understand and accept that paganism is directly connected to your ethnicity Ah ah so you dey fear polygamy eihn lwkd. Okay ,maybe you should go back and read well, my statement was directed to you and you didn't ask for reasons, fellis went in and asked for my reasons and I answered,thats all ,I don't know how I changed my mouth, did I say something else before? |
Re: Pagan9ja by PAGAN9JA(m): 12:47pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
deols: so what? did I talk of her being safe or in danger? I said she was a powerful woman. and that is not islamic law. that is Bedouin tribal law adopted into islam. it was in place because when the nomadic tribes moved around, during camel raids, the men might be killed or they might flee which leaves the women vulnerable at the hands of enemy raiders. another reason is that during the dry season, men would have to go far and wide scouting for water which implied leaving women and children behind with livestock as it would be too cumbersome to take them along and fall prey to raiders. 1 Like |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 5:49pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
pagan, I need more arguments to show her that Islam is idolatry and that paganism is not idolatry, wow she basically screamed in horror when I told her I was pagan ... , we are hated my brother |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 5:54pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
how to convince her that the kabba is a sign of idolatry? |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 6:00pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
you see our life , she just said she's afraid of me |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 6:15pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: Thanks for the edu pagan9ja I understand ur points. However the pagan culture in my town is patriarchal and regardless of whatever anyone says about the role of women in Islam, my own personal opinion is that no gender is superior or inferior to the other There might be individual differences though, ie some men will be better than other men and women and some women will be better then other men and women. But there is no generality to the thing. You can't say every single man is better then every single woman or that every single woman is better than every single man. That's why I don't support patriarchy or evn matriarchy. I think individuals should do whatever works best for them and their choices might not be in accordance with laid down cultural laws or rules. So pagan9ja what is your religion's stand on the issue of genders? Are they equal or is one superior to the other? |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 6:20pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
deols:Drooling with regards to what? My saying I have considered leaving Islam before? |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 6:44pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
Fellis, I'm still waiting your answer? What do you mean by man superiority? I see you using that a lot, also have you been conviced by my explanation? I'm not a chauvinist |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 6:47pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE: Fellis, I'm still waiting your answer? What do you mean by man superiority? I see you using that a lot, also have you been conviced by my explanation? I'm not a chauvinistWhich post did I mention male superiority? |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 6:52pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
fellis: |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 6:58pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
I meant a system where men dominate and are the only ones allowed to take the really important positions of authority. Where the male child is regarded as more valuable than the female, where men are more respected etc |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 7:05pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
fellis: I meant a system where men dominate and are the only ones allowed to take the really important positions of authority. how do you evaluate that men are more respected? What's respect sef? Positions as in jobs? |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 7:31pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE: Are you serious with these questions? Positions such as head of family or ruler of the the town, kingdom and so on is what I meant. Good grief |
Re: Pagan9ja by deols(f): 7:35pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
fellis: It is not about the consideration. He said it as if you were leaving. Many people have doubts at one point or the other. |
Re: Pagan9ja by deols(f): 7:38pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: You said she was a warrior. If at all anything is found about how powerful she was, it has to be related with the battle of uhud. she wasnt a warrior at the battle but sent a slave to kill hamza(r.a) |
Re: Pagan9ja by pleep(m): 7:41pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
A question for fellis: why are you so insecure about this so called "male superiority" ? If you want to be a doctor, a lawyer a senator go to school and do it, no one is stopping you. Why are you ppl so obsessed with being victimized? |
Re: Pagan9ja by pleep(m): 7:44pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
The is a pagan culture called the "Mosuo" in china that is the most matriarchal on earth... There is no marriage, The women ask men for sex, and males live in their mothers house from birth do death. Is that what you are looking for? Matriarchies are by nature an unstable system, that is why few survived to the modern age. |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 7:45pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
fellis: do I sound unserious? Are you saying you never heard about female ruling? Female kings ? What's your definition of respect, this is very important so please reply. |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 7:46pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
deols:what's your wahala sef, move on ,na wa ooo |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:21pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
pleep: A question for fellis: why are you so insecure about this so called "male superiority" ?Would you like to live a life where you and your kind are seen as inferior or not as mentally capable as other people? Would you like that? |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:23pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
pleep: The is a pagan culture called the "Mosuo" in china that is the most matriarchal on earth... There is no marriage, The women ask men for sex, and males live in their mothers house from birth do death.I never said I wanted a system of matriarchy, I dont know why you're bringing it up. |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:24pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
deols:This was the thread where we had the conversation he is referring to https://www.nairaland.com/1254189/feminism-why-women-general-especially/27#16121043 You'd understand him better if you read it |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:29pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE:I have heard about it. However, those cases are few and almost inconsequential when you compare them to the instances of males ruling kingdoms. Admiration or regard for a person that is brought about by their having certain qualities or abilities or their possessing something |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:37pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
fellis: Another thing I would like to know is do you think this pseudo male superiority or domination is institutionalized? I mean how many women themselves vote for another woman during elections? Where do you think that superiority comes from? Nature? Culture? Religion? . 1 Like |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:41pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
what's your view on quota system? |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:45pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
I realized that many people esp women, assume that men were kings just because they were males Which is false if that was the case we would never have female kings/ruling(sometimes little girls) |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:47pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
Cameroonpride, long time |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:50pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
queen_of_sheba: Cameroonpride, long time [so you are still alive? , where have you been? Hope you are doing well. |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:51pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
CAMEROONPRIDE:Lol yes i am just been extremely busy with studies and work. How are you? |
Re: Pagan9ja by deols(f): 8:52pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
fellis:ok fellis: Our society is patriachal but feeling this way is as alien as a UFO to me. If you feel this way, your thoughts, questioning, etc are understandable. |
Re: Pagan9ja by Nobody: 8:55pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
queen_of_sheba: Lol yes i am just been extremely busy with studies and work. How are you?pretty good, I'm done with school for now, so I got more free time. What's your religion? And whats your view on paganism? |
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