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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 10:45am On Jul 26, 2013
naptu2: Now about the repatriation process.

I watched a documentary in 2007 in which the journalists followed the story of a man from Kaduna. The man had been a beggar on the streets of Lagos. He was arrested by the environmental sanitation task force. He was given the options of rehabilitation, imprisonment or repatriation. He chose repatriation because, according to him, he lived a better life in the village. He was bussed into Lagos by some people who promised him that he would be given a job as a security guard in Lagos. In actual fact there was no job. The people just dumped him at Ikeja. So he preferred to go home and farm. He was returned to Kaduna. The Kaduna State Government and his family were informed about his impending repatriation.

I am in favour of voluntary repatriation like the one described above, but I'm against forced repatriation. I think the Lagos State Government should launch an investigation into the repatriation process to find out if it's still working in the way that it was designed.

Some people have claimed that they were forcibly expelled from Lagos, but the Lagos State Government has also stated that it has not forcibly expelled anybody. It's important that an investigation is launched to find out

1) Who these people are

2) If they were arrested and expelled

3) Who arrested and expelled them (if they were actually arrested and expelled)

Etc.

It should also be noted that the Lagos State Government is not the only government that practices repatriation. The Federal Government, which controls Abuja, also practices repatriation.
You can talk of repatriating people who are aliens, or non citizens. Can a Nigerian be an alien in his own country?
Especially when the money that Lagos depends on could very well be from the deportees home in the creeks of the Niger Delta.
Talk of robbing one in the name of Nationhood and denying same the very same Nationhood.
Lagos without oil money and the consumption power of the rest of Nigeria is nothing but a ghost town.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 10:48am On Jul 26, 2013
KenGali:
You can talk of repatriating people who are aliens, or non citizens. Can a Nigerian be an alien in his own country?
Especially when the money that Lagos depends on could very well be from the deportees his home in the creeks of the Niger Delta.
Talk of robbing one in the name of Nationhood and denying same the very same Nationhood.
Lagos without oil money and the consumption power of the rest of Nigeria is nothing but a ghost town.

You can talk of VOLUNTARY repatriation within the same country, most definitely! There is nothing wrong if a person wants to return home and the government decides to assist the person. What I'm against is forced repatriation. That's illegal.
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 10:48am On Jul 26, 2013
But the Commissioner for Information in Lagos State, Mr. Lateef Ibirogba denied the speculations that the government deported 67 persons from Lagos.

He said: “We did not deport anybody. By the constitution of Nigeria, everybody has a right to live in any part of the country. But we have been emphasizing that people must live within the law. However, it is not true.”

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/cover/lagos-deports-67-persons-to-onitsha/
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 10:53am On Jul 26, 2013
Chiddysville:

If all you can come up with is name calling, sorry maybe you have to go and look for people of your type. Thanks in advance

The best thing to do to people who insult you is to click the "report" button.
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 11:11am On Jul 26, 2013
Ajibel: The govt cannot provide jobs for everyone. I know of 6men- 3 Igbos, 2 Ijaws and 1 Yoruba folks that were arrested then later on after some hours were transferred to skill acquisition centres to train. 2 are thro' with their training and are nau self-employed as an upholsterer and furniture maker. Its just that the population makes the efforts of the govt go unnoticed. The govt just needs to expand its capacity to accomodate more

The Govt need to expand its capacity to accommodate more, or the other State Govts have to step up their game so that their residents can stop fleeing to Lagos and overburden scarce resources and infrastructure?
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Abbey2sam(m): 11:12am On Jul 26, 2013
chidyhels: And when did hawking become a crime?
They prefer them stealing and living big ba? Afterall everyone in lagos has to be rich. SMH


So you don't knw that hawking is a crime?
SMH
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 11:19am On Jul 26, 2013
Nightshift: Wnen i hear someone has been deported, i normally assume from foreign counties. But no, Nigerian state of Lagos has added a new meaning to the word by deporting or banning citizens from other Nigerian states from its territory.
In another true federation, the state of Baden- Würtemberg can never deport or ban a citizen of say Thüringen, from Stuttgart or elsewhere in the state.
Why do we have abundant negative energy in Nigeria?

Yes, because the Gov. Of Baden-Wurtemberg will spend his people's money on Private Jets, Mansions, Bentleys and put the rest in his offshore account while burdening the State of Thuringen by turning the people whose welfare hes supposed to be responsible for into refugees? Then, when he deems it fit, and to divert attention, he screams out "Do not vote for them, they are not our tribe's party, their party is dead on arrival here... We want our own country... bla bla bla" ? Eh? Is that what happens?

My friend, take your state Govt to task. The only negative energy I see is that being shown by your heartless State Govts who see nothing in turning you guys into destitutes while stoking the flames of tribalism whenever they feel they are about to get caught in their silly, corrupt, ignorant, and wicked games.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 11:23am On Jul 26, 2013
Note: There is no discrimination in these poverty alleviation schemes. Anybody that is a citizen of Lagos, from any ethnic group, is qualified to take part in the schemes.
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by bigbonecrusher: 11:30am On Jul 26, 2013

"....some were deported but only after been provided with survival skills other than hawking and begging.
"

@ poster, did you say some Nigerians were deported from Lagos? Has it come to this in Nigeria?
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 11:31am On Jul 26, 2013
naptu2:

You can talk of VOLUNTARY repatriation within the same country, most definitely! There is nothing wrong if a person wants to return home and the government decides to assist the person. What I'm against is forced repatriation. That's illegal.
If a person wants to return Home, their is nothing stopping them from doing so, the same way they came. That is still part of their freedom of movement. Also the transport fare is not so high either.

Holding people against their will for absolutely no crime, except begging is a crime in itself, not yet considering the talk of people who have died in detention. Just to avoid unnecessary extension, kidnapping people and locking them up is either terrorism or torture, any decision emanating from such people cannot be termed voluntary.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 11:37am On Jul 26, 2013
KenGali:
If a person wants to return Home, their is nothing stopping them from doing so, the same way they came. That is still part of their freedom of movement. Also the transport fare is not so high either.

Holding people against their will for absolutely no crime, except begging is a crime in itself, not yet considering the talk of people who have died in detention. Just to avoid unnecessary extension, kidnapping people and locking them up is either terrorism or torture, any decision emanating from such people cannot be termed voluntary.

Actually there are many things stopping them. In the documentary I watched, the man was bussed in from Kaduna by people traffickers. He barely has enough to eat, so where do you want him to get the money to transport himself home? That's one of the reasons he preferred to return to Kaduna. At least in his village he can farm and get enough to eat.
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by IGBOSON1: 11:42am On Jul 26, 2013
Chiddysville: Whao! isn't funny that Fashola loves igbos so much that he goes about arresting Igbos (both employed and unemployed) to give a special 'skill acquisition' and 'largasses' while his yoruba brothers and sisters are joblessly shouting 'owo da' at the bus stops and construction sites. Fashola, thanks but no thanks. Don't you think your charity should start at home?

^^^ grin grin grin grin

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 11:43am On Jul 26, 2013
As long as Lagos State Government has not rejected money from Federation account which were largely derived outside Lagos, it has no right whatsoever deporting or repatriating any one. The Lagos state government in spite of its huge IGR is not self reliant, it is still dependent on the money from oil fields in the Niger Delta and the Southern Fringes of the South East. Should we have 100% resource control, no body will be going to Lagos, even Lagos indigenes will be struggling to go else where. Least we forget, Fashola set the precedence, others will perfect it as no position is permanent.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 11:48am On Jul 26, 2013
naptu2:

Actually there are many things stopping them. In the documentary I watched, the man was bussed in from Kaduna by people traffickers. He barely has enough to eat, so where do you want him to get the money to transport himself home? That's one of the reasons he preferred to return to Kaduna. At least in his village he can farm and get enough to eat.

Ok that is the documentary you watched, in the one I watched, the people did not make any application to Lagos state Government for any help in transporting themselves. They were kidnapped, locked up and traumatized in the name of magnanimity. Talk less of being dumped by the roadside in the middle of the night, in a place they do not know. What an unmatched magnanimity from Lagos State Government! Their's was a plan and action from a Despot.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 11:52am On Jul 26, 2013
KenGali: As long as Lagos State Government has not rejected money from Federation account which were largely derived outside Lagos, it has no right whatsoever deporting or repatriating any one. The Lagos state government in spite of its huge IGR is not self reliant, it is still dependent on the money from oil fields in the Niger Delta and the Southern Fringes of the South East. Should we have 100% resource control, no body will be going to Lagos, even Lagos indigenes will be struggling to go else where. Least we forget, Fashola set the precedence, others will perfect it as no position is permanent.

Yes, because Eastern Governors do not receive money from the Federal Govt. and all the money meant for the Eastern states is given to Lagos and all the Western States. My friend, shut ur trap and take your criminal, corrupt and overly tribal leaders to task.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 11:52am On Jul 26, 2013
By the way, we are currently discussing repatriation between states, but a similar thing happens within Lagos State. Within Lagos it is called re-integration.

Think about it, it wouldn't make sense for the government to simply round up people and bus them out of Lagos, because they will simply get on the next bus back to Lagos. It would be a waste of resources.

So what happens in both the re-integration and repatriation processes is that the ministry traces the person's family and tries to re-integrate the person into his family, so that he wouldn't have any reason to go back onto the streets.

Inn the case of Tanimola the vulcaniser (see page 1 of this thread), the ministry tried to reconcile him with his father, but had to continue taking care of him when his father rejected him.

In the documentary I watched, the man from Kaduna was reconciled with his sister and re-integrated into his family.

If the case is within Lagos, the ministry searches for the person's relatives and re-integrates him. If it's outside Lagos, the ministry informs the other state government and tries to find the person's relatives.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by 9icest: 11:56am On Jul 26, 2013
KenGali: This thread is just for Damage Control.
Fact is Fashola Deports a lot of people he arrests in their own Country in the middle of the Night!
And Most Undemocratically with the same Police that should be Protecting their Freedom of Movement!


This report of Fashola's goodness are all coverups, his real action is here https://www.nairaland.com/1371505/lagos-dumps-beggars-homeless-onitsha/2#17008205

The Consequent Facts are:
1. That we must remember this service whenever he tries any political move to the National Scene
2. This will form the theme of the Campaign for APC or ACN Ngige in the next Governorship Election in Anambra State
3. We will endeavour to give Fashola the publicity he deserves!
4. MASSOB is on alert, the next vehicle that transports any deportees from Lagos to Onitsha will be burnt, Any Police Escort will be shot as they are on illegal duty. Onitsha will do her best not to Lynch any Lagos State Government official accompanying them, though accidents may be inevitable.

I tot your states are far more developed. Why do you people badly want to die in Lagos. Eeesh grin grin grin grin

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by bigbonecrusher: 11:58am On Jul 26, 2013
Nightshift: Wnen i hear someone has been deported, i normally assume from foreign counties. But no, Nigerian state of Lagos has added a new meaning to the word by deporting or banning citizens from other Nigerian states from its territory.
In another true federation, the state of Baden- Würtemberg can never deport or ban a citizen of say Thüringen, from Stuttgart or elsewhere in the state.
Why do we have abundant negative energy in Nigeria?

This Skills Acquisition Centre scheme is a novel and ingenious way to governance; just as obtainable in Western Countries. This example set by Lagos State should be commended. The federal government of GEJ should be put to shame if she does not come up with such laudable programme to deal with her teaming millions of unemployed, beggars and destitute!

In Germany the government provides for skills training of the unemployed; carter for their health and even gives them monetary allowance. So, you don't have the same number of destitute, street hawking which incidentally is a crime in Germany, and beggars! If they have such problem in the same proportion as in Lagos or Nigeria, they would follow Lagos example of rounding them up and giving them opportunities to better their lot in life! This is not "negative energy"!
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 12:17pm On Jul 26, 2013
These programmes have been so successful that they have attracted attention from across the country. (I won't post the pics for privacy/decency reasons, but you can see the pics in the link and in the Punch's report).
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 12:20pm On Jul 26, 2013
[size=14pt]PHOTOS : Hungry Woman Bares bosom At Court Premises In Lagos.[/size]
Chisom Malachy: In a desperate attempt to draw attention to her misfortune, Esther Odozi, 21, bared her breasts on Monday on the premises of Ikeja Magistrate’s Court as she protested against hunger that was “killing her and the five children” she left back home in Agbor Owanta, Delta State.

Odozi laid half-naked on a road in the court shouting, “Hunger, hunger. Government must do something today. I have not received anything from the plenty crude oil money government is spending in our state. Nigerians are wicked.”

She impeded movement on the premises. Passers by were astonished. One of them, who did not state her name but said she was a lawyer, told our correspondent that Odozi abused the “temple of womanhood.”

Odozi shunned passersby who shouted at her to cover herself as she rolled on the ground. She revealed wounds on her left leg and the right side of her hips; she said she was hit by a car. She refused a N500 given to her by a passerby, saying, “I don’t want your money. I want Fashola to give me N200, 000.”

When our correspondent approached her, she said, “After confronting serious hardship in my state, I was advised by an official of Human Rights Commission in Delta to go to Human Rights Commission in Abuja. I also went to Police Headquarters and NAPTIP (National Agency for the Prohibition of Trafficking in Persons) in Abuja. They all told me to go to Lagos; they said that is where I could get help.”


“My husband, Donald Ogbaja, was a retired policeman before he died of hunger. He married me when I was 17. I bore five children, including twins for him.”

Odozi said she tried to survive on her own by cultivating some crops. She, however, said she was hit by a car and had been hindered by her injury to continue working on her farm.
She said, “I will not leave this court without seeing N200,000 to start business. I want to sell melon and garri. Tell Emmanuel Uduaghan, the governor of my state, and the Federal Government to do something about my condition. They must give me part of the petrol money.I must take care of my five children.”

When she was asked that as a young woman, didn’t she feel ashamed to bare her breast? She answered, “I don’t have anything and I don’t have anything to hide anymore.”
https://www.nairaland.com/1298465/photos-hungry-woman-bares-bosom
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 12:22pm On Jul 26, 2013
@ naptu,i guess your posts has something to do with a thread i posted some months ago about a street urchin turned vulcanizer.thanks for making that thread reach frontpage. cool
naptu2: I'll be back with more later.
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 12:27pm On Jul 26, 2013
berem: @ naptu,i guess your posts has something to do with a thread i posted some months ago about a street urchin turned vulcanizer.thanks for making that thread reach frontpage. cool

My pleasure dear.
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by talktimi(m): 12:37pm On Jul 26, 2013
naptu2: Note: There is no discrimination in these poverty alleviation schemes. Anybody that is a citizen of Lagos, from any ethnic group, is qualified to take part in the schemes.
even though we're usually on opposite sides of the divide, i like the way you present your points & arguments in a very concise and articulate manner.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 12:39pm On Jul 26, 2013
kingoflag:

Yes, because Eastern Governors do not receive money from the Federal Govt. and all the money meant for the Eastern states is given to Lagos and all the Western States. My friend, shut ur trap and take your criminal, corrupt and overly tribal leaders to task.
Look at this dumb friend of mine, you want to claim indigene-ship on money that is not derived from your so called prosperous land!
Talking of criminals, where else to look other than Tinubu. And yes all the money from oil production in Abia, Imo and South South states are being used to fund Lagos, which has suddenly realized that people from these place should not be in Lagos. First reject the money you are receiving as parasites.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Nobody: 12:45pm On Jul 26, 2013
naptu2: [size=14pt]PHOTOS : Hungry Woman Bares bosom At Court Premises In Lagos.[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/1298465/photos-hungry-woman-bares-bosom
She went to Lagos because she knows that it is the place where more than half of the money derived from her states (Delta State) resources is locked in both by siting of oil firms offices mining her lands, and the monthly handout to Lagos state by Federal Govt. of funds that truly belong to the hardworking people of Delta State.
So why then should she be deported?

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by talktimi(m): 12:46pm On Jul 26, 2013
naptu2: Also, OP you ruined your thread by writing "ibo" in your title. There is no reason to "tribalise" the thread.
the OP is obviously a f0olish boy.
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by pimplucious: 12:56pm On Jul 26, 2013
naptu2: I've got more info, including pictures, about this scheme, but before that I want to know the meaning of "largasses".
grin grin grin
Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by naptu2: 12:58pm On Jul 26, 2013
KenGali:
She went to Lagos because she knows that it is the place where more than half of the money derived from her states (Delta State) resources is locked in both by siting of oil firms offices mining her lands, and the monthly handout to Lagos state by Federal Govt. of funds that truly belong to the hardworking people of Delta State.
So why then should she be deported?

grin I think your emotions have gotten the better of you. She was NOT "deported" and I'm still not convinced that anybody was "deported". Can you provide evidence of deportation?

2) Lagos State receives federal allocation just like any other state in the federation and has even been given a greater burden than other states in the federation, without any measures being put in place to lessen that burden.

Most of the facilities that are in Lagos that would have given the government extra resources to take care of that burden have been taken over by the federal government. There are bad roads, etc in Lagos that the government would like to fix, but can't because they belong to the FG! Yet its citizens are suffering.

Have you seen how Lagos was before 1960? Oil money nearly destroyed Lagos and I for one would be happy if it goes away.

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Re: Fashola Provides Skill Training For Hawkers by Ngwakwe: 1:00pm On Jul 26, 2013
Tell naptu2 to stop defending the indefensible irrespective of how fashionable he tries to present them. The illegalities, bias laws and human right abuses meted to and used against some class of individuals/citizens of Federal Republic of Nigeria by Lagos State Government is uncalled for.

Fashola and his cabinet have a hidden agenda of restructuring the class of individuals who should live in Lagos State and it's no longer a secret that Fashola uses the phrase/clause "go back to your village", meaning leave Lagos State irrespective of where you come from provided you can't afford certain pleasures of life.



talktimi: even though we're usually on opposite sides of the divide, i like the way you present your points & arguments in a very concise and articulate manner.

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