Jakumo:

Now we are getting somewhere, so I will retain some hope. I had already planned to go back to kindergarten in an attempt to revive enough of my dead brain cells that I may comprehend this difficult concept of species transformation, BUT, then you went and added the[i] further [/i] task that I seek the definition of "matter" before you tell me how I can turn into a cat ?

Why all this homework, Oga Beaf ? Are you sure that I am not being sent on a wind goose chase ? I want to turn into a cat NOW ! Is that simple ability too much to request for a beginner ? Why are you being so mean to me ?

Only demented fools will believe cats can metamorphise into humans. I'm not really surprised such stories are making the rounds in Nigeria as poverty and illiteracy will make some people swallow such superstition. What an utter nonsense.

Copiously quoting 300 level physics formulae does NOT, in my humble layman's opinion, prove anything other than your number-crunching prowess, which certainly may surpass my puny math skills by a good margin. Luckily my plam-wine tapping career does not require me to solve triple integrals and differential equations, and the only vector dynamics I will ever experience would be if I were to fall down some day while drinking on duty in the treetop.

Afam:

It seems that you are now confusing yourself because I have repeatedly stated that I do not believe in them even though they exist.

So your comment about seeking someone more courageous to stand in my stead will be taken as a comment coming from someone that is losing out on an argument.

Stick to the issues raised.

I don't do charms and I don't believe in them even though they exist and work for those that believe in them.

Ultimately, good will always overcome evil, that is my believe and that is why such charms do fail those that believe in them regardless of exploits they may have undertaken in their lives.

This issue is about your ability to live with things you don't agree with that may in reality exist.

I am still shocked that educated people will block their minds to things they are not aware of rather than try to find out if there is any truth in these things.

A python is supposed to be a python any day yet there are places where you are not allowed to kill them, in fact killing a python is a taboo in those places where pythons enter homes and bed rooms of people who can only carry them out.

I am talking about a real python, not a rubber.

I hope you don't toy with your life based on these "it doesn't exist" attitude.

Tasma:

Mr Afam, i'll try to be as simple and straightforward as possible. The possibility of a cat or any other animal turning into a human being is nil, zero. You believe in such tales because you were probably brought up in an environment where such tales were popular. People may claim to have seen such things happen, that's highly subjectively. A person predisposed to belief in supernatural stuff will always see such things even in the most mundane happenings. Of course you can claim I'm only saying this because I have never seen it happen. That's wrong because I've never seen a space shuttle launched but I still believe it's a vessel that can break the earth's gravitational pull. I believe i've seen enough proof in paper articles and tv documentaries to justify my belief. On the other hand I have never seen or read anything that could make me believe that a cat could turn human. And please someone simply saying he saw something happen does not mean it actually did.

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Tasma:

Mr Afam, i'll try to be as simple and straightforward as possible. The possibility of a cat or any other animal turning into a human being is nil, zero. You believe in such tales because you were probably brought up in an environment where such tales were popular. People may claim to have seen such things happen, that's highly subjective. A person predisposed to belief in supernatural stuff will always see such things even in the most mundane happenings. Of course you can claim I'm only saying this because I have never seen it happen. That's wrong because I've never seen a space shuttle launched but I still believe it's a vessel that can break the earth's gravitational pull. I believe i've seen enough proof in paper articles and tv documentaries to justify my belief. On the other hand I have never seen or read anything that could make me believe that a cat could turn human. And please someone simply saying he saw something happen does not mean it actually did.

princekevo:


[size=18pt]I decided not comment on this thread anymore becoz anyone can hold to his or her belief.[/size] In 1989 I personally witnessed with my eyes a man touching a young boy on the street and he turned into a cat, this man went ahead to put the cat into his bag. It took the angry mobs who saw the action of this man and he was asked to transform the boy or got killed and in my presence lo and behold this cat-boy of 5years was transformed back to human. This man was put under police custody and was finally taken court where he signed a life guarantee of the boy, in case anything happens to him in future.
So mate there is no science on earth or laws propounded by any one could chance my view on what i saw with my own two eyes. Whether you guys believe it or not it doesn't change the facts.

Jakumo:

I saw Father Xmas once, and I'll never forget it.   I was aboard a translantic jet at 35 thousand feet in clear skies, and with a slight westerly wind, just off the coast of Newfoundland, in mid-winter.  I looked out the window after what must have been my 5th martini, and there, before my disbelieving eyes, was old Saint Nick himself, aboard his magic sleigh.   He was cruising at a brisk airspeed well in excess of 400 knots because his beard has bent backward in the slipstream, and his eyes were watery despite the ski goggles he was wearing.  I remember being rather upset at the way he kept flogging those reindeer to make them go faster, but he paid absolutely no attention to my frantic gesticulations that he give them a break. 

I asked the pilot to turn left on an intercept heading of approximately 075 degrees, so I could get a better look at the old fart, and to my delight, I could clearly see, in his gunny sack of goodies, the distinct outline of at least two of the Raider's cheerleaders that I had repeatedly requested as Xmas presents during the preceding year.   Sensing an opportunity to take posession of the women right away, I asked for the landing lights to be illuminated, in the hopes of forcing Santa Klaus into an emergency descent towards at Gander Airport, which at the time was a mere 80 nautical miles due west.

To cut a long story short, Santa took evasive action, climbing up in an inverted loop to bleed off airspeed, and then dropping out of sight in a classic barrel roll that took his sleigh down through a cumulo-nimbus cloud formation which suddenly appeared as if by magic.  Enraged by my pilot's inability to keep the bogey in sight, I asked for his resignation papers as soon as we were on terra firma, and to this day, I have refrained from ever travelling that particular route again, no matter the fuel savings.

nex:

If you agree to wear the spiritual bulletproof and let me shoot you, then I will wear the physical bullet proof and allow you shoot me too.

All this will be captured on video in order to show the world its first real proof of juju.

If you are ready, then I'm serious. If I shoot a friend of yours who stands in your stead and he dies, how have you paid for the consequences of your argument? Be a man.

Beaf:

Some smirk at certain ideas without any proof of their own viewpoints.

A lot of what, we in backward countries call supersticion is already everyday reality in the labs. There are areas like Quantum entanglement that to the likes of ignorant fools like Jakumo, would amount to hocus pocus.
Isaac Newton, who gave us the law's of gravitation and physical forces was linked several occult studies and societies. In fact Isaac Newtons

contemporaries considered gravity or "action at a distance" to be nothing short witchcraft and hocus pocus; who is the looney today? If you ask some of these fools why they follow popular beliefs of the street eg atheism , they will come up with nebulous bullshit like, "oh scientists say so". But the greatest scientist of all time Albert Einstein countered an argument with, "God does not play dice with the universe".
Robert boyle (of Boyles law fame) like Isaac Newton was a practising alchemist. One of the most powerful forces in the progress of science, The Royal Society was founded by alchemists, occultists and other practitioners of "hocus pocus". You might also check Robert Hooke, another father of science.

Only fools like Jakumo shout from the mountain tops without proof. It has been so through the ages; in his beloved "West", men like Galilieo were tried, imprisoned and forced to "abjure, curse and detest" their work. Na today?

Nigeria is curesed with people like Jakumo who hide their emptyness behind big words; they are very quick to accept any "Western" tale and will curse their own culture at the drop of a pin. They lack the sort of inquisitiveness any developing country requires to make progress; instead, these are the very same idiots and mental midgets that find it easy to drag other Nigerians down.

In beloved "West" our lost souls love so much, the fact that there were witnesses would have brought out investigators from top scientific bodies, secret services and the government. But over here, our locust infestation of shallow minded Jakumo's feels that our culture and environment are too backward to be investigated or considered.

I am still waiting for anybody that wants to have a scientific debate about this thing.

Jakumo:

Afam I know you are trying your best to ignore my posts, so I will be brief here so as not to bore you. 

The ballistic evaluations which yourself and Nex are currently debating need not be conducted on human test subjects for hopefully obvious reasons.   Any competent manufacturer of fetish bullet-proof Juju talismans would naturally be amenable to the idea of having their product tested on livestock, so that any "accidental" deaths recorded during the exercise would result in a barbecue as opposed to arrests.

I hate chickens but love curried chicken and Chicken McNuggets, so those feathered bastards will make great volunteers to be decked out in the full regalia of Jujuological Ballistics Repulsion Technology, before being shot at by lab technicians in white coats.  The documented findings from those controlled and repeatable laboratory investigations can then be published as a White Paper in the New England Journal of Medical Science, whereafter delegations of eminent scientists from across the globe will converge on Nigeria to witness the final demolition of conventional wisdom as we know it.

Afam, take heart, for one can at least hope that the unborn chroniclers of human history will remember the pivotal role played by Nigeria's JujuModulation Technology, when the full trajectory of mankind's destiny is evaluated eons from now.

Tasma:

First off, the fact that a practicing scientist is a member of some occultic group does not mean his findings are supernatural. Several professors in Nigerian Universities still believe in the supernatural and probably even acquire charms of some type or the other. That's the belief system they are used to and their acquired western education does not change their beliefs easily. This does not however mean their scientific findings are based on occultic principles.

A common mistake made is to confuse the unknown with the supernatural. I may not be able to explain something now, that does not mean that happening cannot be explained, it simply means i don't have the knowledge to explain that happening now. If you are predisposed to supernatural interpretation of stuff you would easily see things with that perceptive. If a villager has never seen a plane before he would probably have some fantastic supernatural explanation on his first sighting of a plane. He might say the gods sent a metal bird shrieking through the skies, he would have "seen" this happening and would be totally convinced that he's right. He is however not right is he?

This discourse is not about Western/African principles. It's about not just accepting mythology as truth without question. Vampires or Goblins are western myths that i would treat with the same attitude as cats turning into human beings.

Lastly you gotta remember that we were colonized by the English, Spanish, French etc in Africa. Do you honestly believe they would have witnessed animals turning into human beings, charms to repel bullets, money making charms and so on and simply ignored this "technology" and gone back to the painstaking scientific work they do. Or is that they did not witness any of this happenings in the decades they lived in Africa?

nex:

@Afam

let's not ask soldiers for more rumours. Let us start producing proof. Stop asking for someone else to stand up for what you say. I know the there is no other bulletproof in existence than the physical you believe there is a spiritual one in existence. Wear yours, I'll wear mine. Shoot me, I'll shoot you. Simple scientific experiment which I want to be recorded and documented in detail.

After one of your first posts on this thread, another poster asked you to declare if you were joking. I'd hoped you were joking. This thread if you haven't noticed is a complete joke excepting the innocent woman that was beaten to near death.

nex:

@Jakumo

a friend once told me that it is a losing game when you argue with fools cos they will drag you down to their level and defeat you with sheer experience. I warn you not to delve into that quanto-spiritual-mystico-scientific argument which Beaf wants to pull anyone into.

nex: There was a time when Africans and South Americans used to thrill the world with their witchcraft or magic of rainmaking. They wear their 'banta'  and chant all sorts of magic spells and spiritual songs then light a great fire, toss in some sanctified rocks and dance around the fire endlessly. Today, rain making is studied in Geography: light a large fire, toss some silver iodide in it under rain clouds and you have your rain. To hold rain, intercept the rain clouds before the reach the destination and burn your large fire of silver iodide to draw down the rain before it reaches the destination. It is well documented and the USA used it in Vietnam, Israel used it to make it snow in their country, and recently, China used it to make rain clear the dustiness in the atmosphere during the Beijing Olympics. But here, we'll claim It's witchcraft and start beating people to death.

nex:

I just want to two test subjects to be approved as Afam and nex. The  primary subject should adorn a spiritual bulletproof, while the subject for the control experiment will be geared with a standard Armed Forces approved Kevlar vest. Then shots are taken in turns. What is so complicated about that?