andrewza:


it is not our gripens that are more modern, just that they have more or different stuff. All gripens could use the HMD but we just used them first and though the A-darter is great the Swedish air force has a wider ranger of air to surface weapons. SAAF had many requirements for the gripen that are for us only, but ZA link is the same has Link 16 used by sweeden and others and we use the same EW these days and our radios are unquque for us, thats all really. In short there is no difference betwwen the aicraft only in our use of a HMD, but then again we had a HMD in the late 80s

Don't forget the HMI mate!!

jln115:

When the opinion comes from SAAB themselves about their own product, then it equals fact.

Marketing strategy from a former test pilot, not an engineer. Provide the hard facts.


No facts = No bueno!

Henry240:


Marketing strategy from a test pilot, not an engineer. Provide the hard facts.


No facts = No bueno!

His also SAAB SA President, and honestly you won't get a more credible source than that.

Henry240:


Not in this case, especially when the man projects sales of over 300 aircrafts after the South-African order. Projections which have proven to be unreliable.

I accrual agree with Nigeria in this case, our Gripens are different not better But facts are still opions

jln115:

His also SAAB SA President, and honestly you won't get a more credible source than that.

Well, since you can't provide any facts. I have no reason to continue.

andrewza:


I accrual agree with Nigeria in this case, our Gripens are different not better But facts are still opions

No, facts are not opinions.


Facts consists of raw data, specifications and performance indices with which proves beyond doubt that something is actually what it claims it is. A claim cannot be substantiated until facts are provided.... Until then, a claim is disposable.

jln115:
Don't forget the HMI mate!!

Though is it unique to us

Henry240:


Well, since you can't provide any facts. I have no reason to continue.

My facts come from the supplier themselves, if you don't want to believe what's starring you straight the face I can't make you, but in terms of credibility of my source, you can't fault it, as you won't get a more credible source.

Henry240:


No, facts are not opinions.


Facts consists of raw data, specifications and performance indices with which proves beyond doubt that something is actually what it claims it is. A claim cannot be substantiated until facts are provided.... Until then, a claim is disposable.

it the opinion of a judge if some one guilty or not.

andrewza:


Though is it unique to us

Yes, the HMI on the SAAF Gripen is locally developed and only found in our Gripen.

andrewza:

it the opinion of a judge if some one guilty or not.

Off-point.

jln115:

My facts come from the supplier themselves, if you don't want to believe what's starring you straight the face I can't make you, but in terms of credibility of my source, you can't fault it, as you won't get a more credible source.

A claim doesn't equal fact, neither does an opinion.

Henry240:


Off-point.

i know just being me

andrewza:


I accrual agree with Nigeria in this case, our Gripens are different not better But facts are still opions

Thank God their is a sensible zulu on this thread.
No country would give you all it has technologically. Besides they improve on old stuff as new technologies roll out.

jln115:

Yes, the HMI on the SAAF Gripen is locally developed and only found in our Gripen.

yes but as i said it is a added sytem that can be used on any Gripen. We just have them same as the A-dartar

jln115:

My facts come from the supplier themselves, if you don't want to believe what's starring you straight the face I can't make you, but in terms of credibility of my source, you can't fault it, as you won't get a more credible source.

They know it's that easy to deceive South Africans. The recent report on your scam will be out by January.

iblawi:

Thank God their is a sensible zulu on this thread.
No country would give you all it has technologically. Besides they improve on old stuff as new technologies roll out.

hence we used home grown stuff. NATO would not give us Link 16 so we made Link ZA

andrewza:


yes but as i said it is a added sytem that can be used on any Gripen. We just have them same as the A-dartar

If it can be added to any Gripen, I don't know? But the one thing I know, is that the HMI on the SAAF Gripen are unique to them, the A-Darter however can be used on any Gripen as its been integrated on to them.

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jln115:

If it can be added to any Gripen, I don't know? But the one thing I know, is that the HMI on the SAAF Gripen are unique to them, the A-Darter however can be used on any Gripen as its been integrated on to them.

we did not alter the aircraft and SAAB is needed to finish of integration

Henry240:


A claim doesn't equal fact, neither does an opinion.

Ok cool, remeber that next time you make any claims

andrewza:


we did not alter the aircraft and SAAB is needed to finish of integration

Never said we altered it, also it wasn't I that said our Gripens are better..... All I did was quote SAAB SA President and former SAAB test pilot Magnus Lewis-Ollson.

iblawi:

They know it's that easy to deceive South Africans. The recent report on your scam will be out by January.

Retaarded post!! In to the dustbin it goes!!

jln115:

Retaarded post!! In to the dustbin it goes!!

I heard that in the news today that by January 16th or so the report would be released.

iblawi:


I heard that in the news today that by January 16th or so the report would be released.

What report?

jln115:

What report?

On the 26 Gripens and others

http://allafrica.com/stories/201512301336.html

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/zuma-receives-final-report-arms-deal

iblawi:

On the 26 Gripens and others

http://allafrica.com/stories/201512301336.html

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/zuma-receives-final-report-arms-deal

I have read most of the testimony delivered in the arms deal.

Nothing serious will come up.

jln115:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aad-south-africa-receives-last-four-gripens-376804/

"The Gripen delivered to South Africa are " probably the most modern" versions of the aircraft , Lewis-Ollson says."

Oh and BTW Olsson is a former SAAB test pilot, if you doubted his credentials.

is he now the official spokeperson for SAAB? Or hes talking out of his own opinion?

iblawi:

On the 26 Gripens and others

http://allafrica.com/stories/201512301336.html

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/zuma-receives-final-report-arms-deal

This has nothing to do with the capability of our Gripen.

Patchesagain:


I have read most of the testimony delivered in the arms deal.

Nothing serious will come up.

I'm not expecting much too cos Zuma is in power.

lionel4power:
is he now the official spokeperson for SAAB? Or hes talking out of his own opinion?

SAAB SA President.... So yes his a official spokesperson.

jln115:

This has nothing to do with the capability of our Gripen.

Ok sorry. Back to discussion.