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HOW many MEN DId DAVID TOOK FROM NABAL?


2 Samuel 8:4
And David took from him a thousand
chariots, and seven hundred
horsemen, and twenty thousand
footmen: and David houghed all the
chariot horses, but reserved of them
for an hundred chariots.
1 Chronicles 18:4
And David took from him a thousand
chariots, and seven thousand
horsemen, and twenty thousand
footmen: David also houghed all the
chariot horses, but reserved of them
an hundred chariots.
Except for a couple of point mutations
(copying errors seem the most likely by
far), they are close to identical. It’s hard
to believe they were independently
written as opposed to one being
copied from the other, or both from a
third source. Nonetheless, let’s
consider your explanation that “If
David took 7000 horsemen, he
certainly took 700, and if he took 700,
it doesn’t mean he didn’t take an
additional 6300.” And that, as a result,
no contradiction exists because he
didn’t say “that he took O-N-L-Y 700.”
You seem to be saying that if someone
uses a number in a sentence without
the qualifier “only,” then the number
could mean any amount more or any
amount less. But that would mean that
the number means nothing at all. I can
understand that resolving such a
blatant contradiction requires just such
violence on otherwise plain language,
but consider the logical consequences:
I tell someone I will bring 5 people
with me to a party. When I get there I
have 50 people with me. The host
angrily accuses me of misleading her:
“You said 5!” “Ah,” I point out, “I didn’t
say O-N-L-Y 5. By bringing 50 I certainly
brought 5; and by saying ‘5’ I didn’t
mean I wouldn’t take an additional
45.”
This hardly seems in the spirit of an
inerrant Bible: at best it’s wildly
misleading

my god see finishing. E don tey wey i no sey potholes dey bible but i never knew e boku reach this level oo!

[size=16pt]Finally, the Christians are speechless, Good!![/size]

* On death, the death Adam immediately experienced was a spiritual death (or seperation from harmony with God) and then years later, the physical death, where there was none. Not to mention, that Adam's eventual death can be harmonized with Gen 2:17

* On respect of persons, it also isn't contradictory given the punishments God meted out to the Israelites, which punishments you conveniently leave out here, till you want to depict God's evil. The fact God is no respecter of persons doesn't mean he won't respect whom he wants to. It also happens that the contexts are different hence your claims are flawed. The first context was from God's viewpoint. The second was what a person said about God.

* On temptation, the temptation in James is temptation with an evil intent. The temptation of Abraham was actually a test of faith with a good intent. Jesus prayer doesn't contradict insofar it doesn't claim God tempts with an evil intent, to claim so would be the fallacy by implication whereby the implication of a thing is presumed as the thing.

* On Jacob, not a contradiction. Calling someone by the former name after switching to a new name is common and normal, I don't think you make claims of contradiction to those cases.

* On graven images, it is shown you have comprehension defects, God said the people shouldn't make graven images FOR ONESELF, hence the phrase 'thou shalt not make graven images UNTO THEE'. In the making of cherubims, graven images were made for God at His command. No contradiction.

If this is the poor precedent you set in a bid to discredit the Bible, then I must shake my head in pity. Not to mention that if I were to grant some of your arguments abd point out confutations in your beliefs, you would play deaf.

Ray McBlue: [size=16pt]Finally, the Christians are speechless, Good!![/size]

Silence is attimes the best answer for folly.

Ymodulus: ------------------1----------------

GOD of WAR or GOD of PEACE.

EXODUS 15:3; For the LORD is a MAN of WAR, the LORD is his name.

ROMANS 15:33; now the god of peace be with you all

------------2------------------
IS JESUS GREATEr or LESSER than is FATHER?

JOHN 10:30; I and my father are one.

JOHN 14:28; for i go to my Father who is greater than I

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AT WHAT TIME was JESUS cRUCIFIED?

Mark 15:25 says “And it was the third hour,
and they crucified him.”

John 19:14-16 says “…about the sixth
hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then
delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified.”


-----4------

DID SAUL daugther had a child?

2 Samuel 6:23 says “Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death”
2 Samuel 21:8 says “But the king took…the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul”

----5-----

WHO KILLED SAUL?

1 Samuel 31:4-6 says “…Saul took a sword and fell upon it. And when his armourbearer
saw that Saul was dead and…died with him. So Saul died…”
2 Samuel 21:12 says “…the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa.”


------6----

WHO has SEEN GOD

Gen 32:30 states,
“…for I have seen God face to face, and my
life is preserved.”
However, John 1:18
states, “No man hath seen God at any
time…”

wdf!!!!!

the more we advance in intelligence the less religious we become.

FOLYKAZE: If it for contradiction in the bible, this thread is moving to 100 pages

I dey laff ! So says an atheist juju worshipper. Ironic !

Uyi Iredia:

Silence is attimes the best answer for folly.

Or maybe the only way to avoid making fool of one self!

40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a
staff on their journey?
Yes (Mark 6:
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John
the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
No (Luke 9:9)
42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus
before his baptism?
Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
No (John 1:32,33)
43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus
after his baptism?
Yes (John 1:32, 33)
No (Matthew 11:2)
44. According to the Gospel of John, what
did Jesus say about bearing his own
witness?
If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is
not true (John 5:3 1)
Even if I do bear witness to myself, my
testimony is true (John 8:14)
45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he
cleanse the temple that same day?
Yes (Matthew 21:12)
No. He went into the temple and looked
around, but since it was very late he did
nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to
spend the night and returned the next
morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1-
17)
46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig
tree. Did the tree wither at once?
Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
No. Judas could not get close enough to
Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
48. What did Jesus say about Peters
denial?
The cock will not crow till you have denied
me three times (John 13:38)
Before the cock crows twice you will deny
me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the
cock crowed once, the three denials were
not yet complete (see Mark 14:72).
Therefore prediction (a) failed.
49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)
50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the
temple was torn?
Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus
crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into
thy hands I commit my spirit! And having
said this he breathed his last (Luke
23:45-46)
51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
No. I have said nothing secretly (John
18:20)
Yes. He did not speak to them without a
parable, but privately to his own disciples
he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The
disciples asked him Why do you speak to
them in parables? He said, To you it has
been given to know the secrets of the
kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not
been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on
the day of the crucifixion?
On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilates court (John 19:14)
53. The gospels say that two thieves were
crucified along with Jesus. Did both
thieves mock Jesus?
Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other
defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same
day of the crucifixion?
Yes. He said to the thief who defended
him, Today you will be with me in Paradise
(Luke 23:43)
No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days
later, I have not yet ascended to the Father
(John 20:17)
55. When Paul was on the road to
Damascus he saw a light and heard a
voice. Did those who were with him hear
the voice?
Yes (Acts9:7)
No (Acts22:9)
56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the
ground. Did his traveling companions also
fall to the ground?
Yes (Acts 26:14)
No (Acts 9:7)
57. Did the voice spell out on the spot
what Pauls duties were to be?
Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
No. The voice commanded Paul to go into
the city of Damascus and there he will be
told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin
they committed adultery with the
daughters of Moab. God struck them with
a plague. How many people died in that
plague?
Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and
9)
Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians
10:
59. How many members of the house of
Jacob came to Egypt?
Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
60. What did Judas do with the blood
money he received for betraying Jesus?
He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went
away. The priests could not put the blood
money into the temple treasury, so they
used it to buy a field to bury strangers
(Matthew 27:5)
61. How did Judas die?
After he threw the money into the temple
he went away and hanged himself
(Matthew 27:5)
After he bought the field with the price of
his evil deed he fell headlong and burst
open in the middle and all his bowels
gushed out (Acts 1:18)
62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?
Because the priests bought it with the
blood money (Matthew 27:
Because of the bloody death of Judas
therein (Acts 1:19)
63. Who is a ransom for whom?
The Son of Man came...to give his life as a
ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ
Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for
all... (I Timothy 2:5-6)
The wicked is a ransom for the righteous,
and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs
21:18)
64. Is the law of Moses useful?
Yes. All scripture is... profitable... (2 Timothy
3:16)
No. . . . A former commandment is set
aside because of its weakness and
uselessness... (Hebrews 7:18)
65. What was the exact wording on the
cross?
This is Jesus the King of the Jews
(Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews
(John 19:19)
66. Did Herod want to kill John the
Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:5)
No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod
who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew
that he was a righteous man and kept him
safe (Mark 6:20)
67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in
the list of twelve?
Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13
-19)
Judas son of James is the corresponding
name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax
collectors office and called him to be his
disciple. What was his name?
Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime
before the Passover meal or the daytime
after?
After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover
(John 1) Judas went out at night (John
13:30). The other disciples thought he
was going out to buy supplies to prepare
for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When
Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter
Pilates judgment hail because they wanted
to stay clean to eat the Passover (John
18:28). When the judgment was
pronounced against Jesus, it was about
the sixth hour on the day of Preparation
for the Passover (John 19:14)
70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to
prevent the crucifixion?
Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke
22:42)
No. (John 12:27)
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus
prayed to avoid the cross, how many
times did he move away from his disciples
to pray?
Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark
14:32-42)
One. No opening is left for another two
times. (Luke 22:39-46)
72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus
went away and prayed three times. What
were the words of the second prayer?
Mark does not give the words but he says
that the words were the same as the first
prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
Matthew gives us the words, and we can
see that they are not the same as in the
first (Matthew 26:42)
73. What did the centurion say when Jesus
dies?
Certainly this man was innocent (Luke
23:47)
Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark
15:39)
74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why
hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language
did he speak?
Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew
27:46)
Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark
15:34)
75. According to the gospels, what were
the last words of Jesus before he died?
Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!
(Luke 23:46)
"It is finished" (John 19:30)

94. Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
95. Who killed Saul?
Saul took his own sword and fell upon it....
Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
96. Does every man sin?
Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I
Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36;
Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I
John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin,
because they are the children of God.
Every one who believes that Jesus is the
Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We
should be called children of God; and so
we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born
of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God
commits sin; for Gods nature abides in
him, and he cannot sin because he is born
of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If
we say we have no sin we deceive
ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John
1:
97. Who will bear whose burden?
Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill
the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load
(Galatians 6:5)
98. How many disciples did Jesus appear
to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26,
see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14
footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
99. Where was Jesus three days after his
baptism?
After his baptism, the spirit immediately
drove him out into the wilderness. And he
was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark
1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected
two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to
Galilee - two more disciples. Third day:
Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in
Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in
Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and
stayed there until Herod died (Matthew
2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly
presented the child at the Jerusalem
temple according to the Jewish customs
and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
101. When Jesus walked on water how did
the disciples respond?
They worshipped him, saying, Truly you
are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did
not understand about the loaves, but their
hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)

Judas2013: the more we advance in intelligence the less religious we become.

True words.

wow!

Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/
Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and
knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees
nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their
heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings
20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/
Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/
Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13


12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents
men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek
him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek
him
Prov 1:28


14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and
ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam
6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek
18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8


16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a
minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5


17. God commands, approves of, and
delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in
burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12


18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg

Bratking: my god see finishing. E don tey wey i no sey potholes dey bible but i never knew e boku reach this level oo!

Funny guy

Uyi Iredia:

Silence is attimes the best answer for folly.

Thank you for your post, I initially did not want to comment, but I see the guys falling over themselves thinking they've got xtians cornered but I can only laugh because all I can see is gross ignorance.
Let me tell u guys the bible clearly says as earlier stated that the things of the Spirit are foolishness to unbelievers, look even believers cannot fully understand the scripture if they don't take time to study the bible in the Holy Ghost, how much more folks who just want to discredit it. Let me tell I can easily explain and clarify all the above seeming contradictions but it will be an exercise in futility!
To prove what I just said I'll take just 2

The first one is that u claim there were 2 creations, Gen 1 & 2, Nay there was just one creation, Gen 1 creation was essentially done in the Spirit of God, nothing physical, so God finished creating in His Spirit and then brought them to manifestation in the physical in Gen 2, that's why if u read Gen 2 very well, u'll never see the word create but just made and formed, another illusion u stated is that Jesus said in one place He is one with the Father and in another place the Father is greater. No contradiction here; u c in nature and substance God and Jesus are the same and represent the same thing but in authority God is greater. Let explain, as Nigerians we're all humans, meaning if I want to do a gross anatomy dissection of man, I can pick any man randomly from any where in Nigeria irrespective of tribe and get the same result, but as of authority there can be only one president at a time.
So pls stop all this ur folly, because u don't understand something doesn't mean it cannot be explained! As someone rightly said in @uyi iredia's thread on his intention to read the bible; The Bible only shows to u what u want to see, if its contradictions u'll get it, if its a wicked & tyrannical God u will get, but if it is Salvation thru the Grace of our Lord Jesus, its there in abundance! In conclusion, @op n all no matter how u discredit the Bible and God, the gift of salvation is always available for you as long as u have breath, but I admonish u choose life n live. Shallom

noblefada: The first one is that u claim there were 2 creations, Gen 1 & 2, Nay there was just one creation, Gen 1 creation was essentially done in the Spirit of God, nothing physical, so God finished creating in His Spirit and then brought them to manifestation in the physical in Gen 2, that's why if u read Gen 2 very well, u'll never see the word create but just made and formed:

Lol!

Was this your best excuse? I gotta tell you though, yours is rather refreshing in all of it's uniqueness. In one of my earlier threads, some of the Christians that contributed, denied a second creation, in fact one went as far as to backup his claims with science.

But you, No, you accepted it. Your excuse was hilarious as it was unique. According to you the first creation was an illusion of the actual one that took place from Genesis 2:3.

Frankly speaking, mate, your excuse is the worst one I have heard in a long while. The bible never once mentioned in all the verses in the first chapter of Genesis about the first creation being an illusion, so where did you get that idea from?

I have nothing but contempt for religion, but in that regard, I seemed to know your holy book more than you, and I interprete it better too.

noblefada: another illusion u stated is that Jesus said in one place He is one with the Father and in another place the Father is greater. No contradiction here; u c in nature and substance God and Jesus are the same and represent the same thing but in authority God is greater.

I don't know what you are talking about. Obviously I didn't post anything like that. All the contradictions I posted are loud and clear and self explanatory. All the Christians that saw the damning evidence that condemned their high and mighty bible, took to their heels like the cowards they were.

Why not challenged one of my post, instead of picking the easiest that I didn't even remember posting.

Your hypocrisy is very visible, mate.

noblefada: Let explain, as Nigerians we're all humans, meaning if I want to do a gross anatomy dissection of man, I can pick any man randomly from any where in Nigeria irrespective of tribe and get the same result, but as of authority there can be only one president at a time.

And how does this explain the inconsistency and contradictions in the holy bible??

noblefada: So pls stop all this ur folly, because u don't understand something doesn't mean it cannot be explained!

There is nothing not to understand in the bible. The bible is more literal than you would make people believe. All the contrasting passages I quoted are self explanatory in all their contradictory splendor.

noblefada: As someone rightly said in @uyi iredia's thread on his intention to read the bible; The Bible only shows to u what u want to see, if its contradictions u'll get it, if its a wicked & tyrannical God u will get, but if it is Salvation thru the Grace of our Lord Jesus, its there in abundance!

A typical example of Christian double-standard in full display. You dismissed the contradictions in the bible that are all in their abundance btw, you dismissed the cruelties of God that are numerous in the old testament, then welcomed with open arms the salvation of Jesus that is only witness in the new testament and thus technically not all that abundant.

noblefada: In conclusion, @op n all no matter how u discredit the Bible and God, the gift of salvation is always available for you as long as u have breath, but I admonish u choose life n live. Shallom

What salvation? How can a sane man look for salvation in a book that is obviously penned by men on weeds? Men that couldn't even keep their stories straight and kept on contradicting one another.

No, mate, you need salvation not me. A salvation from that state of mental slavery infamously known as Religion.

noblefada:
Thank you for your post, I initially did not want to comment, but I see the guys falling over themselves thinking they've got xtians cornered but I can only laugh because all I can see is gross ignorance.

It's a fact. This is one of those threads that Christians typically make themselves very scarce on. Only one conclusion can be drawn from this; They are cornered. You laughed at your own foolishness and embarrassment, nothing more.

noblefada: Let me tell u guys the bible clearly says as earlier stated that the things of the Spirit are foolishness to unbelievers, look even believers cannot fully understand the scripture if they don't take time to study the bible in the Holy Ghost, how much more folks who just want to discredit it.

It used to be amusing hearing most Christians make this kind of excuse, when they have their backs against the wall.

Now? It's getting old and stale. So better find something new to hide under, cuz this one doesn't sell anymore.

noblefada: Let me tell I can easily explain and clarify all the above seeming contradictions but it will be an exercise in futility! To prove what I just said I'll take just 2

I have already seen your whiz brain in action, and it was a sad experience. Truly, I felt embarrassed for you.

Ray McBlue:

True words.

Even folks of the Thinking Atheist aren't this asinine.

Please Muslim brother.What we are doing here is good but don't let us do it in a wrong way...Al Qur'an say 'and argue with them with beautiful lectures' not abuses and curse...Infact u've not listed anything.I'll show u where the bible accused almost all the prophets in the scripture of one thing or the other,more contradiction,blasphem on God and 1 can keep on going till dawn but that doesn't change the Command of Allah.One might say something and become a slave to his words 1.Allah says in the Glorious Qur'an that you should not discriminate between the revelations he had sent before the qur'an...although we know quite well that the gospel(injeel) is not what pple read 2day but nevertheless,don't let us discriminate 2. These kind of thread should have stated its purpose so that Xtians won't think ill of muslims 3.There are somethings that are not contradictions,what if u say they are and some1 brings a passage in the Qur'an and u find it like that,what would u say...e.g..if God says he's something in a place and he's Another in another place(like the warlike and peaceful) its a cceptable,God is merciful and he punishes severely those that do not heed his call. I'm happy though but I hope our christian brothers will take this with a open mind and believe in the God of all prophets(Allah),Xtians get scared with the name Allah but it means Al-ilah(the-God) but its better to call it in arabic(because in arabic,it cannot be subjected to plurality).U see all these things u c in the bible does not amaze me,the bible contains the word of God,people,eyewitnesses,people who stories were related to,and there's bound to be contradiction 2.Jesus never spoke english,greek,italian...he spoke aramaic...but there's not a copy of an aramaic bible so there's bound to be...the moment every christian starts reading the bible in aramaic/hebrew, u'll be amazed at the number of times muhammad was mentioned by name in the scripture but the englishmen have made u slaves of their language.that's why it is said in Zephaniah 5:3 that 'We shall appoint for men a pure language,that they may call upon the name of the Lord' but u do not ponder....No matter how much we say,Its for man to say but for god to guide...I wish u d best

Ray McBlue:

Lol!

Was this your best excuse? I gotta tell you though, yours is rather refreshing in all of it's uniqueness. In one of my earlier threads, some of the Christians that contributed, denied a second creation, in fact one went as far as to backup his claims with science.

But you, No, you accepted it. Your excuse was hilarious as it was unique. According to you the first creation was an illusion of the actual one that took place from Genesis 2:3.

Frankly speaking, mate, your excuse is the worst one I have heard in a long while. The bible never once mentioned in all the verses in the first chapter of Genesis about the first creation being an illusion, so where did you get that idea from?

I have nothing but contempt for religion, but in that regard, I seemed to know your holy book more than you, and I interprete it better too.




I don't know what you are talking about. Obviously I didn't post anything like that. All the contradictions I posted are loud and clear and self explanatory. All the Christians that saw the damning evidence that condemned their high and mighty bible, took to their heels like the cowards they were.

Why not challenged one of my post, instead of picking the easiest that I didn't even remember posting.

Your hypocrisy is very visible, mate.




And how does this explain the inconsistency and contradictions in the holy bible??




There is nothing not to understand in the bible. The bible is more literal than you would make people believe. All the contrasting passages I quoted are self explanatory in all their contradictory splendor.




A typical example of Christian double-standard in full display. You dismissed the contradictions in the bible that are all in their abundance btw, you dismissed the cruelties of God that are numerous in the old testament, then welcomed with open arms the salvation of Jesus that is only witness in the new testament and thus technically not all that abundant.



What salvation? How can a sane man look for salvation in a book that is obviously penned by men on weeds? Men that couldn't even keep their stories straight and kept on contradicting one another.

No, mate, you need salvation not me. A salvation from that state of mental slavery infamously known as Religion.

You see the problem I've with you guys, when you think u've have a water tight argument about God n someone burst ur bubble, you resolve to name calling rather than address the valid point raised.
You seem to think u know the Bible more than the author, the Holy Spirit! You see I just picked 2 of ur folly because they were more important to me. My explanation about creation was very valid, but do u know ur problem, were u got things mixed-up, u think God is a physical being or entity so must follow the ways of humans, that my friend is ur folly.
Let me educate u, God is Spirit as clearly stated in Joh 4:24 "God is Spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” so God does things in the spirit b4 they manifest in the physical. The Bible is not a literal book so pls stop all this folly!

dareabiola98: Please Muslim brother.What we are doing here is good but don't let us do it in a wrong way...Al Qur'an say 'and argue with them with beautiful lectures' not abuses and curse...

What is this Mohammadian talking about? Do I look like a Muslim to you. Does this thread seem like an Islam propaganda to discredit Christianity?

No!! This is meant as an anti-religion thread engineered to expose the meaningless of religion.

You think this one is defamatory? Wait, till you see the one I will be posting against your precious Islam in the near future. Your tyrannical presiding Imam is the only obstacle standing in my path, nothing else.

Christianity is even better than your blood-thirty religion in many ways, so don't feel smug that your religion is any better.

noblefada:
You see the problem I've with you guys, when you think u've have a water tight argument about God n someone burst ur bubble, you resolve to name calling rather than address the valid point raised.
You seem to think u know the Bible more than the author, the Holy Spirit! You see I just picked 2 of ur folly because they were more important to me. My explanation about creation was very valid, but do u know ur problem, were u got things mixed-up, u think God is a physical being or entity so must follow the ways of humans, that my friend is ur folly.
Let me educate u, God is Spirit as clearly stated in Joh 4:24 "God is Spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” so God does things in the spirit b4 they manifest in the physical. The Bible is not a literal book so pls stop all this folly!

Please I have two questions only.
1. How did Judas die?
2. Who killed Saul, King of Isreal?

Good question there, Alfa Seltzer. Let's watch him shoot himself in the leg again.

Saul was slain by God

1 Chronicles 10:14- And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse

Or did he?

1 Samuel 31:4- Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword,
and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.



[i]Judas Iscariot hanged himself

Matthew 27:5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.


The contradiction

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out

noblefada: another illusion u stated
is that Jesus said in one place He is
one with the Father and in another
place the Father is greater. No
contradiction here; u c in nature and
substance God and Jesus are the
same and represent the same thing
but in authority God is greater.

I thought jesus is the father in the flesh, as long as this is true, there is a glaring contradiction, except there is nothing like trinity

Uyi Iredia: * On death, the death Adam immediately experienced was a spiritual death (or seperation from harmony with God) and then years later, the physical death, where there was none. Not to mention, that Adam's eventual death can be harmonized with Gen 2:17

* On respect of persons, it also isn't contradictory given the punishments God meted out to the Israelites, which punishments you conveniently leave out here, till you want to depict God's evil. The fact God is no respecter of persons doesn't mean he won't respect whom he wants to. It also happens that the contexts are different hence your claims are flawed. The first context was from God's viewpoint. The second was what a person said about God.

* On temptation, the temptation in James is temptation with an evil intent. The temptation of Abraham was actually a test of faith with a good intent. Jesus prayer doesn't contradict insofar it doesn't claim God tempts with an evil intent, to claim so would be the fallacy by implication whereby the implication of a thing is presumed as the thing.

* On Jacob, not a contradiction. Calling someone by the former name after switching to a new name is common and normal, I don't think you make claims of contradiction to those cases.

* On graven images, it is shown you have comprehension defects, God said the people shouldn't make graven images FOR ONESELF, hence the phrase 'thou shalt not make graven images UNTO THEE'. In the making of cherubims, graven images were made for God at His command. No contradiction.

If this is the poor precedent you set in a bid to discredit the Bible, then I must shake my head in pity. Not to mention that if I were to grant some of your arguments abd point out confutations in your beliefs, you would play deaf.

poor arguments ....

@1. if adam truly died spiritually, how come he conversed with god when he came back to check on them? or did god become flesh?

all other arguments are lame excuses, nothing to take seriously.

Ray McBlue: Saul was slain by God

1 Chronicles 10:14- And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse

Or did he?

1 Samuel 31:4- Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword,
and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.

Or maybe an Amalekite did it.

2 Samuel 1:8-10

8 “He asked me, ‘Who are you?’

“‘An Amalekite,’ I answered.

9 “Then he said to me, ‘Stand here by me and kill me! I’m in the throes of death, but I’m still alive.’

10 “So I stood beside him and killed him, because I knew that after he had fallen he could not survive. And I took the crown that was on his head and the band on his arm and have brought them here to my lord.”

No! It's the philistines!

2 Samuel 21:12

12 he went to the people of Jabesh-gilead and retrieved the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan. When the Philistines had killed Saul and Jonathan on Mount Gilboa, the people of Jabesh-gilead stole their bodies from the public square of Beth-shan, where the Philistines had hung them.

I was just seeing your post or I would have tackled it a long time ago.

Anyhoo, better late than never, so here goes...

Uyi Iredia: * On death, the death Adam immediately experienced was a spiritual death (or seperation from harmony with God) and then years later, the physical death, where there was none. Not to mention, that Adam's eventual death can be harmonized with Gen 2:17

Very poor argument. The bible didn't say anything about spiritual death, it made us to understand that Adam would meet his definite end if he were to disobey god's warning, which didn't happen. Stop attaching your own interpretation into what wasn't there.

Uyi Iredia: * On respect of persons, it also isn't contradictory given the punishments God meted out to the Israelites, which punishments you conveniently leave out here, till you want to depict God's evil. The fact God is no respecter of persons doesn't mean he won't respect whom he wants to. It also happens that the contexts are different hence your claims are flawed. The first context was from God's viewpoint. The second was what a person said about God.

Lol! Do you hear yourself? A further prove that there is disharmony between the two, don't you think? If someone said one thing, and a person says another, it's what the dictionary calls contradictions.

Uyi Iredia: * On temptation, the temptation in James is temptation with an evil intent. The temptation of Abraham was actually a test of faith with a good intent. Jesus prayer doesn't contradict insofar it doesn't claim God tempts with an evil intent, to claim so would be the fallacy by implication whereby the implication of a thing is presumed as the thing.

Long story short, you don't have a clue.

Uyi Iredia: * On Jacob, not a contradiction. Calling someone by the former name after switching to a new name is common and normal, I don't think you make claims of contradiction to those cases.

What is this??

God specifically told him in Genesis 35:10 to drop his original name(Jacob) in Old things have passed away, all things have become new, context. In fact it was a command not to be disobeyed.

Then God himself went on to disobey his own command to Jacob by rousing him with the very same name he commanded Jacob not to answer to anymore, and better yet, Jacob disobeyed God's direct command by responding to his former name, thus saying "Here I am."

Contradictions are all in their contradictory splendor between both verses, mate.

Uyi Iredia: *On graven images, it is shown you have comprehension defects, God said the people shouldn't make graven images FOR ONESELF, hence the phrase 'thou shalt not make graven images UNTO THEE'. In the making of cherubims, graven images were made for God at His command. No contradiction.

You are the one that lacked comprehension skills, mate.

Okay, let me try to break it down to your level of understanding;

Exodus 20:4- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Read the bold 3 times until it sinks in, then Google the meaning of Cherubim.

Nuff said.

Uyi Iredia: If this is the poor precedent you set in a bid to discredit the Bible, then I must shake my head in pity. Not to mention that if I were to grant some of your arguments abd point out confutations in your beliefs, you would play deaf.

You shouldn't have bothered, cuz the arguments you posted didn't reflect well on you person, rather it questioned your intelligence.

You see yourself, dodging and frantically trying to save your faces. You can now see why xtians were just avoiding this thread. I made two valid clarifications rather than the Op to do the honourable thing and admit it at least got those version, he simply avoided them and then my friend @Uyi whom I not even sure is a practising xtian right now easily punched some more holes in ur allusions and again what do we see, dodging tactics.
Pls my friends, I'll tell you again explaining all ur contradictions above is a very simple thing but I'll choose not to, because u won't admit u were wrong even with a very valid response.
I think I've achieve my aim, to show xtians viewing this thread ur folly, and big thanks to @Uyi for helping out.
Grace to you all

noblefada: You see yourself, dodging and frantically trying to save your faces. You can now see why xtians were just avoiding this thread. I made two valid clarifications rather than the Op to do the honourable thing and admit it at least got those version, he simply avoided them and then my friend @Uyi whom I not even sure is a practising xtian right now easily punched some more holes in ur allusions and again what do we see, dodging tactics.
Pls my friends, I'll tell you again explaining all ur contradictions above is a very simple thing but I'll choose not to, because u won't admit u were wrong even with a very valid response.
I think I've achieve my aim, to show xtians viewing this thread ur folly, and big thanks to @Uyi for helping out.
Grace to you all

Please answer my 2 questions and stop dodging.