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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by nwadaigbo: 5:30pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
lets judge it this way; between an atheist who does not steal, oppress the poor, and a christian, who does all those things mentioned above, who will make heaven? |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by 4C2215131: 5:33pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
Seems to me the Catholic church has got their work cut out for them. Times are really changing. This development used to be the bane of the 'protestant' christian world but as it is the change and spirit of the times seem to be engulfing the Catholic church too. I wonder how Benedict will be feeling right now given his conservatism. Let's see how it all unfolds. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Nobody: 5:36pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA:erm....*scratches head and shuffles feet* ....erm ...ah ..i think they...erm..d..d..died. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 5:36pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
chuqudy: Be not deceived, good works is not a sign of being with Christ. However, all those who are born again MUST live the true life of Christ which includes being good, moral, committed to God and His word not opinions of the world. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by mko2005: 5:37pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
nwadaigbo: lets judge it this way; between an atheist who does not steal, oppress the poor, and a christian, who does all those things mentioned above, who will make heaven?None of them ! A christian does not do all those things ! God help us 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by mko2005: 5:39pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
4C2215131: Seems to me the Catholic church has got their work cut out for them. Times are really changing. This development used to be the bane of the 'protestant' christian world but as it is the change and spirit of the times seem to be engulfing the Catholic church too. I wonder how Benedict will be feeling right now given his conservatism. Let's see how it all unfolds.The catholic church has been this way but this pope is living it out ! God help us all |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by deeptesting(m): 5:40pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
HUGE_S: . listen guy, i laugh at atheists cos in their very eyes they see mere magic, witchcraft powers and all d tins ppl frm d occult do, as well as xtian miracles and u guys still doubt that their is a spiritual world. Now if u believe dat their is a realm other than ours frm wher al thez spiritual stuff are being done, why then do u refuse to see dat God is d BOSS of dat realm. A little trial will convince u dat their is a realm other than dis physical world. Jst go to TB Joshua church and let him touch u weda u will still have mouth to talk ur sense or evn recognis urself. No offense, but Nigerian atheists ar d most pathetic, cos in their vry eyes dey see spiritual stuff and dey say na lie. Lols My friend I have been to a church wouldn't want to mention name,I was invited by a friend who knew me very well as an Atheist, I honored his invitation and did you know when all that stuff you mentioned didn't work on me the officiating pastor and another pastor from Ghana termed me a witch...Come and see prayers that almost brought the roof of the building down,that was my greatest fear before they will term the fall of the roof on our heads as "spiritual stuff" like you mentioned.. It is so funny how you guys fall for all these craps. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Ess: 5:41pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
elampiro: Pope Francis said our sins are not committed by us but they are Jesus' sins : "When we go to confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: 'This is your sin, and I will sin again'. And Jesus likes that, because it was his mission: to become the sinner for us, to liberate us. "* June 15 at his daily mass homily PF1. I dont say this but mehn...ETT! |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by 4C2215131: 5:43pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
Richfella: Make them no end this controversial man o. He's really being very 'modern', open minded and all-embracing. You seem to have said this with levity but if only you knew how close to the truth your assertion may be you'd be shocked. Those cardinals don't play fair as history has proven time and again. If the pope intends to carry on with his controversial remarks and un-orthodox doctrine a schism within the greatest religious body on earth may be unavoidable which od course portends the beginning of the end of such a greatt institution. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by HUGES: 5:44pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
Mr Aboki: [b]DO YOU KNOW WHY CHRISTIANS ARE AFRAID OF DYING? |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 5:44pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
The reason MANY BELIEVERS will be deceived in the last days is the fact that they have no foundation in the word. Many have their foundation in religion, denomination, works, philosophies, self, experiences, pastors and their messages, leaders of their church etc. The bible is our only foundation and anything other than the scriptures will crumble. 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by ogbronx(m): 5:48pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
This pope may mess up in speech and the way he proclaims Christ but he is by far better than all these preachers that hustle members money. Like it or not, plenty pastors,bishops and prophets are false and money mongers.The question remains to be asked;without their gullible members money, how rich would they have boasted? When you have common sense and can discern fast,they call you an unbeliever. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by nwadaigbo: 5:50pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
m.k.o2005:so, there comes the the statement "do not judge". The way our christaian brethrens behave mmost times will even make you to think deeply about this heavenly thing. If you are a christian and still does those things peculiar to atheists, who told you that you are any better than those people. Thats the message of he holy pontiff. Just do according to your conscience and you would be duely rewarded accordingly, be you christian, muslim, hindu,atheist etc. Just like in the scripture, in d story of good samaritan, we all knw that anything concerning samaria is about gentiles i.e peopl who do not believe in God. But christ praised him for being a good neighbour to a jew whom his own people neglected, even the pastors. From christ's statement, cant you see that He would be rewarde by God for doing good not minding that he is a gentile. Lets stop doing Gods work for him. Lets concentrate in doing his will and he alone will pay us accordingly. Thats the message of the pontiff |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Nobody: 5:50pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
4C2215131: I am not joking bro. Shebi it was John Paul I that lasted only 33 days. He appears to have been poisoned. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 5:51pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
deeptesting: I apologize for that as it is a false doctrine itself. I recommend you pick up a bible, say a simple prayer like "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. God and Father of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I do not know or believe in you but I ask that you reveal yourself to me I pray". Say this daily and begin reading the Bible from Genesis even if it's 10mins a day. It may be hard but I beg of you to try it. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by 4C2215131: 5:53pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
[quote author=temi2013][/quote] An assertion that even Joel Osteen a supposed 'General' in the christian faith could not categorically affirm on live TV. Don't get me wrong though,I admire your passion for candour and sticking up for what you believe in. Like someone opined "There is no such thing as sittting on the fence,it's either you're a coward or a traitor". |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by HUGES: 5:53pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
woodcook: I am not an expert in religious matter but for those who claimed to be, please are you guys saying that someone who believe in God but does evil will go to heaven in place of an atheist that have a conscience and had no cause to wrong his fellow human?Okay Oga, dis is hw it works. If u believe in God, then it implies u believe in Jesus His son, and automatically u 'll become responsive to ur conscience (d HOLY SPIRITS still small voice in ur hrt) and unlike b4 wen u are rebelious to ur conscienses prompting, now u will begin to do rigteously. So dat answers ur question. U cant believe in God and still do evil. And even wen u do, u are prickd in d hrt and run back to God 4 mercy and grace. So u dnt pride in evil wen u do it, u see it as a weakness of ur flesh and run back to HIM, and ur whole life all dat will b in ur mind will b to please God. 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by HUGES: 5:54pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
woodcook: I am not an expert in religious matter but for those who claimed to be, please are you guys saying that someone who believe in God but does evil will go to heaven in place of an atheist that have a conscience and had no cause to wrong his fellow human?Okay Oga, dis is hw it works. If u believe in God, then it implies u believe in Jesus His son, and automatically u 'll become responsive to ur conscience (d HOLY SPIRITS still small voice in ur hrt) and unlike b4 wen u are rebelious to ur conscienses prompting, now u will begin to do rigteously. So dat answers ur question. U cant believe in God and still do evil. And even wen u do, u are prickd in d hrt and run back to God 4 mercy and grace. So u dnt pride in evil wen u do it, u see it as a weakness of ur flesh and run back to HIM, and ur whole life all dat will b in ur mind will b to please God. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by ladenz(m): 5:56pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
i really wanted to read through all the comments of this interesting argument but i no get time wallahi. let me just add my own 2 cents by saying that i believe the Pope is not saying anything new. JPII and Benedict have also made similar 'controversial' statements when they take a part of Chrisitian teaching and expantiate on it. to fully understand his comments you have to take it in context. if you truly believe there is no God and are still try to live according to your conscience (which has to be a well formed conscience) then you might make heaven. now understand that if you have even the smallest iota of doubt as to whether God exists or not then you are not a true atheist and you dont get the favours mentioned above. besides, real atheists dont believe in heaven so this doesnt affect them in anyway. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by DeInspector(m): 6:03pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
D fool has said in his heart there is no God.(ps. 14:1). Wu r dis fools? D atheist of course. Now dis pope instead of preachin d truth, he is preachin wat they wud luv 2 hear. Woe unto d pharisee who go about in d market and high places 2 b seen by men. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by airfinance(m): 6:05pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
Vanityupnvanity: my brother no offence pls'a questionmy bros. if i am not mistaken i know exactly where yu are heading to.but firstly let me make it clear to you that the period at which jesus christ (pbuh)came to this world can not be correctly ascertain just as the period which islam was widely propagated as it is believed in this present day history,that jesus christ came about 2,000 years ago which is also believed 1400 yrs for islam,meaning 600 yrs intervsl. however.as for your question,islam has bin in existence from time immemorial.i also want to let yu know that jesus christ preached islam this may sound stupid to yu ot create controversy.the world christianity as a religion does not appear in the bibble which you know. have you asked yourself what was the religion of abraham?do you know the place where he was to sacrifised his son located and where he bowed to worship God?the place is located in the saudi,jesus christ came to inform us as well that he has not come to change the existing laws,my broda asked yourself in which language the bibble was revealed i mean study ur old testament which i think you can not do away with,that which has not been doctoted to suit certain people as it was prophesised.the gospel of paul is what most followers of christianity follows. i wld recomend you get a translated quran in enlish to read,you wld have little insight to lots of misunderstandings, please get trasnlated verse by Sahir internationals,by three american ladies. you can as well google the 100 to read about christianity and islam,though the book is durectly not about the religion,but you would get vital infornations. sorry i am not advocating for islam,rather trying to make yu see some unknown truth. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by VanTee20(m): 6:05pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
(murmurs to himself) St. Malachy is right afterall... |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by HUGES: 6:08pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
endy231: Hi guys,. Yeah God'd mercies are past find out -unfathomable. That's why our 4fadas who servd images will go to heaven (if dey did rit by their conscience o), cos God knws dey did serv those images out of ignorance, but actually servd HIM true their conscience by obeyin it and doing rit. But d man of today MUST accept Jeus else his gud deeds are worth less than a filthy rag. Cos in d realm of spirits, no soul was able to come and save man but Jeus by his blood. So u see our being gud is not jst enof to mak us look rit b4 God, it taks d blood of Jesus to achiev dat |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by creativemusic: 6:08pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by nwadaigbo: 6:10pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
De Inspector: D fool has said in his heart there is no God.(ps. 14:1). Wu r dis fools? D atheist of course. Now dis pope instead of preachin d truth, he is preachin wat they wud luv 2 hear. Woe unto d pharisee who go about in d market and high places 2 b seen by men.yes, the bible says so. In another passage of the bible, there is this quote which says that, whoever that does all these things(supposely sin) makes God a lier. Now, whats the difference between who says there is no God and another, whoo makes God a lier by his deeds? |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by emeka762001(m): 6:12pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
As far as I'm concern many atheists re better than many so called christians of today. Even jesus said not everybody tht call lord lord will enter the kingdom of God bt those that do the will of God. So I believe if atheist does the will of God bt doesn't believe in God, he will see heaven. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by ponti93(m): 6:14pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
From catholic prophecies, i beliv dis is d last pope.lwkmd. |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Nobody: 6:16pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
End time Prophet! |
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by HUGES: 6:24pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
Mr Aboki:Haba Aboki, no vex 4 me naw. Bros u see dat's why I tink Nigerian Atheists are pathetic cos undastndalby d white guys dont get to see lots of miracle (if any sef), but my pagan friends see it happen everyday. So wat more proof do dey want naw. A pastor says dis blind man was healed not by me o, but by d power of Jesus name, wat more proof do u want again |
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