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Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:16pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
gebest:The Bible nowhere calls hospital visits "devourer." Nor does it call Physicians "devourer" Jesus is known as the Great Physician. People brought their sick to Him and He healed them. Using your logic we can rightly call Him a "devourer." Sorry, but "devourer" in the Hebrew Old Testament referred to the pest that ate the garden crops.... not hospitals. Further, God said He would rebuke the devourer for Israel's sake. If the devourer was hospital bills, sickness, etc., God musthave forgotten His promise for those who would tithe. There is no obvious rebuke, for the hospital bills continue to be given. People who have tithed faithfully (such as my mother, who tithed each month for 50+ years,... even on her deathbed in the last year of her life) die of cancer, AIDS, ebola, and other diseases. Why was the devourer not rebuked from them? Is not God faithful to His promises? My Bible says He is. So, if He is faithful to His promises, and those who believe their spiritual leaders when those leaders say God requires them to tithe money, tithe their money and still get sick, get bills, die, etc., it is evident that the "devourer" in Malachi is not, and cannot be referring to, hospital bills, sicknesses, etc.. In all thy getting get understanding. the Bible nowhere teaches tithes to be commanded for the Church, to be carried to the Church, or to be controlled by the Church. 4 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by chysam: 4:19pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Image123: I disagree with you sir even though you are beginning to take this issue personal.You see quotes and counter quotes can and will never help a layman find direction on this.Supposing a new convert is considering whether or not tithing is good n Christendom,qoutes from everwhere would not help him.Firstly he understands christ is his master and his ideologies he must follow.To my mnd and to the minds of reasonable people,those things he personally did physically should be our first priority,then we follow his words.Please I want any or all tithe paying advocators to simply tell us as is led by the spirit why Christ and his followers did not tithe.Also tell us why those who tithed previously stopped tithing upon receiving/accepting christ as their personal lord and saviou.All of us here know such people as is recorded in the bible.The simple education we need here is why this was so.Let those who know better teach us please.Importantly people who even wrote the bible did not tithe and yet performed great miracles and even raised the dead.I think the focal point should be why they were holy enough to write the bible and perform miracles even while disobeying the law of tithing.Please am really confused about this and very curious to know.Is it that we are better christians now? Or was it that they did not place value to that law? Or is it that chrisy was paying in secret without informing his disciples? Or was it that they as Christians had nothing seriouly in common with judizers? Or is it that they will later pay their own tithe in heaven? Please explain this area.I think saul before he became Paul tithed and even killed the christians,did he continue to tithe as a christian after he left judaism? Please let somebody educate me on this.My curiosity hinges on jesus' statement that he did not come to destro the law but to keep it,but why was his teachings different from the book he met on ground? As Christians,whose tradition are we supposed to emulate? Judaism or Christianity? Which did jesus'followers emulate? Judaism or Christianity? Infact why must there be two factions to start with since we are told all scriptures are from/of God?. Abi the disciples don't forget say all scriptures are of God before disobeying with..........Aaaah! I dey fear to mention one name oo because I no whether to say hin too disobey the scriptures. Any way let a pastor or someone vast in tithing and payment/receipt help me.Thanks 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 4:21pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: What exactly is the lesson learnt from Malachi 3? Other than showing punishment for disobedience and blessing for faithfulness. One thing am sure of; it is not a command for Christians to tithe. 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 4:30pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: Speak for yourself. My tithing friends/relatives tithe in other to avoid the 'devourer' and a solution to solving life problems. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 4:36pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Zikkyy:Is it a command for christians to give? Since someone is more blessed if he gives than receive, can we safely conclude the result of not giving is poverty? A punishment if you look at it from that angle. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 4:41pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Zikkyy:They should incline their ears more to the word of God. Giving should be an act of worship emanating from the heart. Once that is settled it becomes a lifestyle borne out of love and devotion and not necessarily duty or because of some devourer. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 4:41pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
vooks: To be fair, i would say what was nailed to the cross is the command to tithe. The giving of a tenth (or tithe) cannot be cancelled. Remember that every giving can be a tenth of something. If Bidam chose to give a tenth of his income out of love to his church, i believe it is acceptable to God. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 4:46pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
gebest: So in your thoughts tithers don't visit the hospital? where are you from? 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 4:47pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Zikkyy:let the newbie enjoy his toys. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Image123(m): 4:54pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
christemmbassey: Your conjecture is what scriptures call private interpretation. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:59pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Image123:As is yours. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Image123(m): 5:00pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
chysam: You don't need help, is it by force to tithe? Why looking for someone to convince you? |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Image123(m): 5:01pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: So you agree he's doing private interpretation? |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 5:03pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: I still don't see the connection between Christian giving and malachi 3. can't say i understand ya question. Bidam: "not giving" results from so many reasons. is it that the person is stingy, greedy, wicked, does not have the fund to give e.t.c? 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 5:03pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Image123:To some extent, yes. The Bible does not say Melchizedek rushed to that Valley where he met Abram. But likewise, the Bible does not say we are to tithe because Abram tithed. 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Image123(m): 5:05pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: Have we ever discussed this? Any recall? |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 5:06pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Image123:December 2013-February 2014. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by chysam: 5:07pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: Why did jesus and his followers "DELIBERATELY" disobeyed the law of tithing? Why did those who converted from judais to Christianity jettison their tithing habit upon accepting christ as their Lord and Saviour? Were they (INCLUDING JESUS) not aware of the curses?. What lessons should a 21st century christian learn from this? 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Image123(m): 5:07pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: good of you. We're in agreement. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Image123(m): 5:08pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: Very good. So we have nothing further to discuss on that. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 5:11pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Image123:If you were in agreement with God's Word concerning tithing, that would be true. But it is blatantly obvious that you are not. 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 5:11pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: I don't see how this can be achieved, when the pastor keep bombarding them with quotes from malachi 3. Bidam: Exactly the reason i say pastors should be not teaching tithe. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 5:13pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: wetin dey make you happy now? 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 5:47pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by chysam: 6:06pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
[quote author=vooks post=27419229][/quote] Simply ask them to explain reasons why jesus and his adherents "DELIBERATELY" disobeyed to tithe. Why those who became Christians stopped tithing upon receiving Christ. Were they cursed for this? Ask them to bring their uncanny understanding of the bible in addressing just these two points. Lenghty write ups will give them room to distort and twist.I bet you no one will answer straight because this is the only true confirmation of a 21st century christian tithe tradition as being fraudulent in structure.They only follow Christ by words not by dids. 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by christemmbassey(m): 6:22pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by gebest: 6:45pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds:pray for spiritual understanding and then test God with ur tithe. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by gebest: 6:51pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Zikkyy:my dear when u read ur bible pray 4 insight and understanding, wen Jesus said behold i will distroy this temple and raise it in 3days, i believe u will be asking how possible wil it be. My dear tel God to open ur eyes. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 6:56pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
gebest:where does God say to test Him with the tithe? Is it not in Malachi? That tithe was not money. Obviousely, it is you who needs to pray for understanding. 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Image123(m): 7:01pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
vooks: Go and read my earlier replies to your logic question. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by TheShopKeeper(m): 7:02pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
A question to the pro-tithers' camp. Do the present day Jews still pay their tithes (monetary or agricultural) & also do they still have to give firstfruit offerings? 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by christemmbassey(m): 7:24pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
TheShopKeeper:no o, they can not pay bc THEY ARE NO LONGER D CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM but christians are, especially those of us from Nigeria. 1 Like |
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