Zikkyy:


wetin dey make you happy now?

gebest:
in other words, Malachi 3:10 is no longer existing!

christemmbassey:
ha Bidam see Hebrew 8:7 for if that first COVENANT had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the Second. 8. For finding FAULT with them, he saith, behold the days come, saith the Lord, when I Will make a new covenant covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 9. Not according to the covenant I made with their fathers, .........,13. In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. Now that whibh decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

MarkMiwerds:
Malachi 3:10 does exist. But it's tithe nowhere resembles the tithe you and defend.

Bidam:
Mr vooks. Atleast you did not address me with those foul languages in your post here. But atleast an apology would have been in order, don't you think?

Bidam:
Haba Pastor! Where did you read in that verse that tithe was annulled? To get a proper context go back to chapter 7 and tell me your findings.

Just like vooks you are also reading carnally into the scriptures. Because there was a change of the covenant doesnt mean the new covenant doesn't have its own laws which is spiritual, eternal and internal.

Bidam:
If it doesn't exist, its in the figment of your imagination. You can say it doesn't apply to you since you are fond of cherry picking what best suits your fancy in the bible.

vooks:
Bidam,
am very sorry for any offence I have caused by my responses. It was uncalled for and I apologize

vooks:
And where did you read that ritual cleansing was anulled?

I asked you to explain to me why Mosaic Freewill Offerings were anulled. These had nothing to do with sin so explain to me why you don't slaughter bulls to God without any compulsion

Bidam:
Sorry What kind of ritualistic bath do you do as a christian?
once again the analogy doesn't quite follow just like the old worn out argument of circumcision..All these flies in the face of logic. Is tithes a ritual law?

trustman:

Because you are so quick at countering others position without first carefully going through their post your reply here has again shown you for who you are - a ....(fill in the blanks).
He never said the Malachi passage does not exist.

What we are saying is this:
To the extent that tithing IS NOT PRESCRIBED ANYWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT EPISTLES we can safely say that it is no longer compulsory for the Christian today.

Bidam:

Is it compulsory for christians to give? Tithing is NOWHERE ANNULLED IN THE NT.

vooks:
Who draws the line between CEREMONIAL Laws and non-CEREMONIAL? Your head? How convenient

And EXACTLY what are CEREMONIAL Laws?

vooks:
Who draws the line between CEREMONIAL Laws and non-CEREMONIAL? Your head? How convenient

And EXACTLY what are CEREMONIAL Laws?

trustman:

Sacrifices are biblical in the sense that they are in the Bible but are christians still required to offer sacrifices today?
The answer is No. Why not?
Something better has replaced them.

Zikkyy:

Its time you realise we have Jews as Christians. Don't be surprise when we start sacrificing cash on the altar. anything to bring the cash into the house of God.

Bidam:
edit..always give room for time before response pls..This is no competition.

vooks:
Again so are freewill offerings. DO you offer freewill offerings?

The NOT-ANNULLED argument is the most senseless and inconsistent because you run into hundreds of other things that you have no record of being annulled yet you don't practice them

Zikkyy:

It quite obvious that it requires the grace of God for one to be freed from bondage, especially one that is self imposed. I will just add my thoughts on what good christian living is all about (regarding the act of giving)

As a christian, one is required to meet the need of his/her neighbor without thought of reward. The act of christian giving is not a business. Giving should be done because it pleases you (gladdens your heart); because it gives joy to the recipient; because it is the right (Godly) thing to do; because it pleases God  anytime you give.

Giving in church in whatever form with the expectation that you will be swept away with a flood of blessing as you step outside the church premises (as windows of heaven will be opened) is not what christ preached. Giving should not be a business of give and take (this is in-sincerity on our part and is against what the Apostles preached). This is what the ultimate commandment is all about; Love God & love your neighbor as yourself. By doing this the need of those that lacks will continue to be satisfied from the surplus of those that have. Indirectly we have paid our tithe but not be a pre-determined percentage. We are Christians, and not jews and as a resulted not bounded by the law. The act of Christian giving has been twisted because of the issue of financial security.

Sadly only those live under the curse get cursed for non-compliance.

vooks:
What is a ritual Law?

gebest:
in other words, Malachi 3:10 is no longer existing!

Bidam:
You said ritual cleansing wasn't annulled. So the onus is on you to tell us what ritual law you are talking about.

Bidam:

Atleast you are coming around to my point concerning those who are free to express themselves to tithe without antitithers breathing down their necks as if it is their money.

Zikkyy:

Giving is good (in whatever form) and should be encouraged, but Christians should not be coerced to giving. For me, the practice of tithing should be personal (and from the heart) as i see nothing wrong with one offering a tenth of his earnings to the Church to show appreciation to the Almighty for his goodness. The act of giving by today’s Christians appears to have been commercialized as most givers sees the act as an investment (a return is expected in the form of abundant blessings). This can be attributed to the prosperity preaching by the church.

gebest:
in other words, Malachi 3:10 is no longer existing!

vooks:
I gave you a Law I don't recall being annulled on menstruation and you went about ritual laws. Call it whatever you want but is this Law applicable to you today?

Zikkyy:


am not coming around to anything. It's because you don't take time to read my posts. If you go back and read my posts on tithing you will see that i don't have issues with people spending their money anyhow they want. After all it's their cash. Below is a post i made way back in 2009...

Bidam:

or maybe he feels he is enriching the mogs like some of you are saying here.

Bidam:
pls refer to the last post you menntion about ritual cleansing.. We are not communicating here at all. Concening the law applicable to believers bible calls it the spirit law or the law of the Spirit..i kept emphazing on the Spirit behind circumcision, sabbath and the commandments you kept on harping on that christians are not required to adhere to. I can not teach you these here. You have to go on a personal search for yourself pls.

Bidam:

To categorically lay claim that God did not promise to bless those who give is also a big error on your part. There are plethora of scriptures that says God will reward those who give.

gebest:

some churches are offering burnt offering, CELE for example.

Bidam:

There is nothing wrong in quoting malachi 3 just as there is nothing wrong in quoting genesis to revelation for doctrine.

Bidam:

Is tithe not in your bible?