Bidam:
Haba Pastor! Where did you read in that verse that tithe was annulled? To get a proper context go back to chapter 7 and tell me your findings.

Just like vooks you are also reading carnally into the scriptures. Because there was a change of the covenant doesnt mean the new covenant doesn't have its own laws which is spiritual, eternal and internal.

vooks:
So all you need is to catch the Spirit behind every Law in Torah right?

christemmbassey:
you asked for a scripture to proof dat d old covenant was replaced, i showed you, instead of you to learn and thank me, you sneaked in tithe, Bidam, why are you like this?

Bidam:
why would i do that? I have the Holy Spirit. He teaches me all things interpreting scriptures with scriptures. Unlike you i don't rely on strange websites who start their conversations with an argument. It is just like the JW folks who are ever arguing about the deity of Christ. Any christianity that's anchors it belief system on the basis of an argument is no christianity.
Moreso we are discussing a non essential doctrine here which to me shouldn't even be an issue to start with if at all you are for givings in the body of Christ.

Bidam:
Wrong. I actually asked for the annulment of tithes not the old covenant. Check my post again.

vooks:

So did the Holy Spirit tell you that menstruation laws are not applicable for you? Because if scripture wisdom is as subjective as your revelation, then everything goes.d what is not. It can't be your private revelation sir. Otherwise if I woke up and started animal sacrifices while scoffing at others who are not into blood sacrifices, how can you help me?

Tithing is non-essential in the OT yet it is the one thing the Pharisee gloated before God in prayer, and it is one thing Jesus singled out in Pharisee self-righteousness. Am not surprised even today, it is a MAJOR doctrine among the evangelicals.

The Spirit teaches you the spirit behind circumcision,you abandon circumcision but retain the spiritual aspect of the same. Same case as the Feasts, but I find it decidedly convenient that you were taught the spirit behind OT tithes, you understood that BUT retained the physical tithing as well. Is this not inconsistent application of scriptures?

Am driving that there are clear objective principles we follow in picking what part of Moses is applicable to us and what is not

When you run out of sense, it is convenient to accuse your debater of being argumentative

Zikkyy:


This is part of it. Why give money to MOG if the money is likely to be diverted to funding private jet?

Zikkyy:


You don't get it. It's not bout what God promised, it's about the motivation for giving.

Even non-givers receive God's blessing.

If there were no blessing attached to tithing (as preached by pastor), a good number (if not all) of people will not be tithing.

Their 'giving' is conditional. This is contrary to the teachings of Christ & the apostles.

Zikkyy:


Depends on the message. What exactly is the pastor teaching that will require quote from Malachi 3:8-10? tell me.

If tithe is in the bible nko? How do you teach voluntary tithing? tell me.

Bidam:
Lol, and what are the other parts? Trust me, most ministers with private jets you are envying do not rely on the givings of their members. That's a story for another day. But on a serious note the reason why most people will agree to your arguments is simply because it appeals to common sense and logic. Why give to a church that has a minister who owns a private jet?

You can't beat satan at his game. He is the master schemer of logic and sensual knowledge.

Bidam:

Trust me, most ministers with private jets you are envying do not rely on the givings of their members.

Bidam:

But on a serious note the reason why most people will agree to your arguments is simply because it appeals to common sense and logic.

Bidam:

Why give to a church that has a minister who owns a private jet?

MarkMiwerds:
God would be more pleased with an anti-tither giving ten percent of his money to a widow or orphan in his community than if that anti-tither took ten percent of his money to a pastor who had a private jet and luxurious home. The widow and orphan are in greater need.

But it must be stressed once more that God does not require ten percent of that anti-tither's money.

Bidam:

You still err..there is nothing wrong in motivating folks to give if it is expressly stated in scriptures.e:g Paul motivated the corinthians to give by quoting the mosaic law.

Bidam:

He even went as far as telling the philipian church that because they gave is credited to their account insisting that based on their givings, his God will supply ALL their needs, why didn't Paul say God has blessed them before they gave

Bidam:
Wrong. I actually asked for the annulment of tithes not the old covenant. Check my post again.

Bidam:
Can you quote a scripture to support this? That the abrahamic covenant was nullified? Scripture pls? Not side talks or eisegesis.

vooks:
So did the Holy Spirit tell you that menstruation laws are not applicable for you?

Because if scripture wisdom is as subjective as your revelation, then everything goes.d what is not. It can't be your private revelation sir. Otherwise if I woke up and started animal sacrifices

while scoffing at others who are not into blood sacrifices, how can you help me?

Tithing is non-essential in the OT yet it is the one thing the Pharisee gloated before God in prayer,

not and it is one thing Jesus singled out in Pharisee self-righteousness. Am not surprised even today, it is a MAJOR doctrine among the evangelicals.

The Spirit teaches you the spirit behind circumcision,you abandon circumcision but retain

the spiritual aspect of the same. Same case as the Feasts,

but I find it decidedly convenient that you were taught the spirit behind OT tithes, you understood that BUT retained the physical tithing as well. Is this not inconsistent application of scriptures?

Am driving that there are clear objective principles we follow in picking what part of Moses is applicable to us and what is not

When you run out of sense, it is convenient to accuse your debater of being argumentative

Bidam:

It is scriptures that gave conditions not pastors. Pls go through those scriptures to see whether conditions are there or not.

christemmbassey:
prophet Bidam, why are you like this?

Bidam:
You are also quick to respond without understanding. The word sarcasm doesn't exist in your dico abi?
Is it compulsory for christians to give? Tithing is NOWHERE ANNULLED IN THE NT.

chysam:


Bidam and other advocators of tithing are grossly insincere beings in this case.They keep skipping two very vital questions that will settle this issue once and for all.infact this issue is debatable only to a fool.As Christians who must we emulate? Even a goat know the answer.Secondly did he pay or receive tithe?.If we go contrary to whatever is the answer then we are doing our own will and not his true follower.Were there people who truly emulated him? Did the join him in doing all that he did and refused to do?. I want a pro-tither to respond.

This your strawmann argument don tire me.. What is your fixation on menses BTW? Are you female?SMH! An argument for silence.

Is it animal sacrifice that God was interested in to start with? You still have a long way to go in your bible study...another irrelevancy that in no way address my post.

Who are those you scoff at? Do you know the significance of eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus( The Lamb).? What is the spiritual connotation behind what the isrealite did and what Jesus told his disciples to do before His depature?

Yet Jesus commended the giving of their 10percent to the temple. It was the outward pious show of hypocrisy Jesus was against..like i said giving emanates from the heart.. If you find it offensive that christians called their 10prcnt givings as "tithes" don't blame them, no one is going to hell if he tithes or not.

Yet the evangelicals you crucify are you any better? It smacks and reeks of hypocrisy and double standard on your part too. The argument you also are fixated on and spamming all the tithe threads with can also be said to be self righteous and legalistic. I said before and i repeat here again, tithing as a form of giving is not annulled.

Wait o..i am a male, who told you i am not circumcised There is the internal circumcision of the heart, How do you interprete that? The outward circumcision argument was that it wasn't a requirement for salvation.. Just like tithing is not a requirement for salvation. Your argument about circumcision is weak, if you had check those tithe threads you spammed, you would have seen it.

I keep christmas, feast,easter feast and other festivals that are christian ones like love feast...no one is attacking my liberty in Christ concerning this except you mr vook because of tithe..na wa o.

It is not inconsistent, you are the fellow seeing yam, rice, oil, corn and animals as a 10percent. All i see there is my heart givings which is the toil of my sweat since am no farmer, i based it on my time, income etc i give as a service to God. Paul saya we should present our bodies(time,energy,money) as sacrifice which is a reasonable service and a spiritual act of worship. I am just fufilling scripture here. Don't blame me.

Yes, yet you couldn't accuse Paul when he picked the levetical system of giving to say the Lord commanded preachers to be paid by the folks they minister to. So what part in that law is applicable if we are to follow your line of thinking?

Since, you can't help but resort to insults as typical with you. This is my last response to your post. Have a blessed day.

Bidam:
Haba Pastor bassey! The abrahamic covenant is not annulled o. I thought we have gone thru this turf with u before. Read Gal 3:17.

Zikkyy:

What exactly is the pastor teaching that will require quote from Malachi 3:8-10? tell me.

Bidam:

Giving to the church, just as Paul quoted the mosaic law to the corinthians.

Zikkyy:


Na wa oh Bidam try to read my posts na. This is not about what God promised either directly or via third parties like Paul.

This is about the motivation of the giver.

It is not about the condition laid down by Moses,

it is about the spirit urging the Christian to give. Even if Paul motivated corinthians by quoting mosaic law, he did not teach that giving must be based on promised returns. Providing assurance that God will not forget you for your good works is not the same thing as saying give so that God blesses you in return.

Maybe you don't understand that God already blessed them even before they gave.

You think the gift given to Paul was sourced from blessings received from satan?

Bidam:

There are people who believe saturday is a day to worship God with scriptures to back their claims. Are we to condemn them on a day they set aside to worship God? Or is it stated anywhere in the bible that sunday is a day of worship?

vooks:

Paul used illustrations from Torah. Farmer, ox and the Levitical regime. Ministers MUST be supported but did you notice this is a RIGHT Paul withheld from invoking? So there is nothing magical in supporting ministers. If that was a ticket out of poverty, he would have recommended that to the poorest. He instead saw it as a BURDEN

Zikkyy:


I don't envy pastors with PJs.

That's all you need to reason. or you want to be put into a trance before you can reason?

Even Paul stated that those with surplus should divert their surplus to meet the funding gap of those currently in need. Why continue to pour money into an account that is already overflowing with cash?

MarkMiwerds:
but it sure is missed by the extortioner behind the pulpit

Zikkyy:


Why did you accept Christ, why worship the Almighty? is it because you are afraid of hell fire?

Why do you give? so you can be blessed or because you love God & neighbour?

If your status as a Christian is conditional, i would say you are only deceiving ya self.

TheShopKeeper:


Yes you're right Jews don't believe in Jesus, because they still held on to some of their laid down laws and tithing is not one of them.
They even paid their tithes during the time of Jesus, so Image123, what has not believing in Jesus got to do with tithing.

Zikkyy:


How come you are not offering burnt offering? is burnt offering not biblical?