davdandam: There's somethin fishy bout the report,flaps re meant to give u lift @ low speed and with that kind of weight no pilot will attempt takin off without flaps.as for engine failure,both engines were running even if one wasn't up to full thrust...wen u achieve v1(take off speed)procedure is to continue the take off and come in for an emmergency landing which I believe both engines should still be capable of doing.the investigation is not conclusive yet and I wanna give kudos to the minister for the facility to decode here in nigeria its a great achievement

dangiwa09:

Everyone in Nigeria needs same examination, starting from GEJ!

picoba:
The pilot sound to be an half bake pilot. Education system in Nigeria!
I guess the pilot had is training here in Nigeria.

ndu_chucks: In Nigeria, even the blackbox recording can be doctored for political gains. Don't let them put the wool over your eyes. No sane pilot will risk his own life by ignoring such a warning and take off anyway, unless he is a kamakaze pilot. Nonesense!!

baybiemee: And a heartless fellow said it was an act of God

The standard ‘eighty knots’ call was made by the First Officer. The first evidence that the crew indicated that there was a problem with the take-off roll was immediately following the‘eighty knots’ call. The First Officer asked if the take-off should be aborted approximately 12 seconds after the‘eighty knots’ callout. Our investigation team estimates the airspeed to be approximately 95 knots. Airspeed was one of the parameters that,while working in the cockpit, appeared not to be working on the Flight Data Recorder. We were able to estimate the speed based on the radar data that we synchronized to the FDR and CVR but it is very approximate because of this. In response to the First Officer’s question to abort, the Captain indicated that they should continue and they continued the take-off roll.

The crew did not make a ‘V1’ call or a Vr’ call. V1 is the speed at which a decision to abort or continue a take-off is made. Vr is the speed at which it is planned to rotate the aircraft. Normally the non-flying pilot calls both theV1 and the Vr speeds. When Vr is called the flying pilot pulls back on the control column and the aircraft is rotated(pitched up) to climb away from the runway. During the rotation, the First Officer stated‘gently’, which we believe reflects concern that the aircraft is not performing normally and therefore needs to be rotated very gently so as not to aerodynamically stall the aircraft.

The First Officer indicated that the aircraft was not climbing and advised the Captain who was flying not to stall the aircraft. Higher climb angles can cause an aerodynamic stall. If the aircraft is not producing enough overall thrust, it is difficult or impossible to climb without the risk of an aerodynamic stall.

manny4life:

Both engines were running but where they generating enough thrust for him to lift?

solomon111: Are you drunk?
When did NCAA become a "foreign" body?

Associated361 was cleared for take-off on runway one eight left at Lagos international airport. The wind was calm and weather is not considered a factor in this accident. Approximately 4 seconds after engine power was advanced to commence the take-off roll, the crew received an automated warning from the onboard computer voice which consisted of three chimes followed by “Take-off Flaps…Take-offFlaps”. This is a configuration warning that suggests that the flaps were not in the correct position for take-off and there is some evidence that the crew may have chosen not to use flaps for the take-off. The warning did not appear to come as any surprise to the crew and they continued normally with the take-off. This warning continues throughout the take-off roll.

kaeyame: Was this pilot on a self suicide pact? How can someone ignore such a warning, knowing that there are no pit-stops in the air?


Me, I tire for some people o!

theshadyexpress:
and one of our so called literates does not understand English

The investigation is focusing on the following:

1) Mechanical and electronic engine control issues related to the Right engine and Right engine propeller systems.

2) Aural warnings related to auto-feather and the flap settings required for takeoff.

3) Take-off configuration issues with respect to flap settings.

4) Crew decision making and training with respect to proceeding with the flight despite concerns regarding the aircraft’s suitability for flight.

5) When and how the number 2 engine fire handle was pulled.

6) Standard operating procedures with respect to continuing the take-off roll despite continuous automated voice warnings of both ‘take-off flaps’ and ‘auto feather’ when there was ample time to abort the take-off.

7) The Airline management’s safety culture fostered throughout the airline.

Tintinix: ....And Stella Oduah should resign because of a blatant disregard for safety warnings!!!!!!

good.good:

I guess you also had your training in Nigeria. Your English can crash a plane.

ndu_chucks: In Nigeria, even the blackbox recording can be doctored for political gains. Don't let them put the wool over your eyes. No sane pilot will risk his own life by ignoring such a warning and take off anyway, unless he is a kamakaze pilot. Nonesense!!

awodman:

They accuse Stella Oduah of only beautifying our airports and I ask under whose tenure was this laboratory set up?

Before this black box would have been holed up in one laboratory in US or Europe and we would probably be waiting for the result



Oga pilot you see what non adherence to rules can cause

Visocrate: the pilot should have been psychologically and cognitively examined before his take-off really

manny4life:

Ndu, you're beginning to sound funny, so the bldg has to be inaugurated before they begin work? What if they flew in expert lab scientist to assist them? Besides, why do we have to spend tens of thousands of $$$ to send it abroad, when are we gonna fix our own?

baybiemee: And a heartless fellow said it was an act of God

Visocrate: the pilot should have been psychologically and cognitively examined before his take-off really

manny4life:

Yes flaps generate lift, however, he forgot to deploy the flaps...

Both engines were running but where they generating enough thrust for him to lift?