Bidam: An evil tree does NOT produce good fruit.tis all deception.

Gombs:

Hmmm

I'd choose a 'lie' from God than a 'Truth' from demons/devils

Gombs:

Hmmm

I'd choose a 'lie' from God than a 'Truth' from demons/devils

Mark Miwerds: Took a while to listen to all the posts after waking. Heard this one and had to reply.

I do believe that there was a command to pay tithes. Notice the following verse:

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

In the above verse, our Lord rebuked the Pharisees for their neglecting the weightier matters of the Mosaic/Levitic Law, admonishing them, "these ye ought to have done." But in the same verse, we see that He commended them for paying tithes, telling them "do not leave the other undone." They were to pay their tithes.

So, I do believe tithes were paid. However, the tithes paid were not money... they were food. As you so rightly pointed out, they were eaten.

Thanks for your contribution to the thread.

A beautiful morning to you Pastor Mark. It's good to hear from you.

I find it very disturbing when religious leaders goes as far as to re-write the bible just to drive their propaganda. Religious leaders all over the world have engaged themselves in this propaganda to re-write the context of the bible and change the words therein.

When you read your bible, you'll notice that words like "slave" have been changed to "worker" in newer versions of the bible especially the New King James Version (NKJV) which was published yesterday in 1982. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_King_James_Version)

"holocaust" became "burnt offerings”

“virgin” became "the young woman".

"give" became "pay".

Well, without wasting any more time, let's look at other versions of the bible to point out the propaganda of Matthew 23:23 in the NKJV.

Matthew 23:23 (New International Version)

You GIVE a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin.

Matthew 23:23 (New Living Translation)

For you are careful to TITHE even the tiniest income from your herb gardens.

Matthew 23:23 (English Standard Version)

For you TITHE mint and dill and cumin.

Matthew 23:23 (New American Standard Bible)

For you TITHE mint and dill and cummin.

Matthew 23:23 (NET Bible)

You GIVE a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin.

Matthew 23:23 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

For you TITHE mint and dill and cummin.

But let's take a look at the least published version of the bible. The classic New King James Version

Matthew 23:23 (New King James Version)

for ye PAY tithe of mint and anise and cummin.

Unfortunately, most Pastors encourage their members to buy the New King James Version of the bible. How sad

My post is becoming too long already, when next you reply, i shall explain to you Matthew 23:23. Again you have misinterpreted the bible out of context. Jesus was not wooing the tithers but the high Priests who neglected their duties. we shall continue after your reply.

Image123:

Rhymej, my pally made my "ally" . Sorry, it seems i'm the "ally" fa. Anyway, i sent you a message oh, check your mail.

shdemidemi: Wowwww...

Great job you are doing here @drummaboy

Though, I personally stay away from tithe discussions, this one promises to be different due to the clear vision and focus of the 'self appointed' mod. As he fondly addresses himself on this thread.

I am sure this gesture of proper organisation and zest to educate people isn't limited to this forum. It will surely reflect in every area of your life.

I really appreciate the work you put in, MAY THE LORD CONTINUALLY BE YOUR STRENGTH.

MY regards to CANDOUR, MARK MIWERDS, IMAGE123 and RHYMEJOHN. I look forward to learn more about this issue of tithing from your viewpoints and at the end of it all, only the name of God shall be glorified.

Mark Miwerds: Took a while to listen to all the posts after waking. Heard this one and had to reply.

I do believe that there was a command to pay tithes. Notice the following verse:

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

In the above verse, our Lord rebuked the Pharisees for their neglecting the weightier matters of the Mosaic/Levitic Law, admonishing them, "these ye ought to have done." But in the same verse, we see that He commended them for paying tithes, telling them "do not leave the other undone." They were to pay their tithes.

So, I do believe tithes were paid. However, [size=16] the tithes paid were not money [/size] ... they were food. As you so rightly pointed out, they were eaten.

Thanks for your contribution to the thread.

Bidam: demons also speak truth and just like atheist their motive is always defiled.Who wants a demon testifying that Jesus is the Son of God

But as for the tithes, the demon speaks lies just like he beguiled eve so is he beguiling you guys.

This is really sad! The debate is a healthy one, and i have not disrespected your God in any way. Why demonize someone because of his choice of religion? There're good Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Judaists, Rastafarian etc. Do you think God won't find a place for them in heaven?

Have an opened heart Bro. I didn't see Jesus calling unbelievers demons in the bible. Is this how Jesus taught you to show God's love?

Listen to the message bro, not the preacher. And put some love in your heart.

rudedough:

This is really sad! The debate is a healthy one, and i have not disrespected your God in any way. Why demonize someone because of his choice of religion? [size=32pt] There're good Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Judaists, Rastafarian etc. Do you think God won't find a place for them in heaven?
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Have an opened heart Bro. I didn't see Jesus calling unbelievers demons in the bible. Is this how Jesus taught you to show God's love?

Listen to the message bro, not the preacher. And put some love in your heart.

Gombs:

Some pretty cooked up lies uv hung up there Mr Mark...


Why would you wanna say what the bible didn't all in an attempt to nullify the validity of tithing? You said tithes paid were not money, but the bible said monies were. Or dime and nickel aint currency? Or was Jesus just being metaphorical?
or using a hyperbole? Educate me pls


Matt 23v23 MSG

23 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and
Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, [size=16pt] tithing on every nickel and dime you get, [/size] but on the meat of God’s Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it.

Bro you've got the wrong bible. There's no where in the bible where they mentioned "account books". In fact, there was nothing like an "account book" in the old days. Haba!!!

And there is no where they made mentioned of "nickel and dime" in Matthew 23:23. Your bible is worse channeled toward the Christian propaganda than the NKJV. You should check it bro.

What version of the bible are you using?

rudedough:

Bro you've got the wrong bible. There's no where in the bible where they mentioned "account books" or "nickel and dime" in Matthew 23:23. Your bible is worse channeled toward the Christian propaganda than the NKJV. You should check it bro.

What version of the bible are you using?

Gombs:


See Excuses na... So those who translated the Message translation were 'tithers' or were they drunk or where they blind or...?

Chai!!!
nothing I no go hear from anti tithers...all in a bid to nullify tithing!

rudedough:

I don't want to quote you anymore. You don't present facts only words. And if i continue quoting your rants, we might derail this interesting thread which i don't want. So please lets call a truce. **HUGS**

Cheers.

rudedough:

Bro you've got the wrong bible. There's no where in the bible where they mentioned "account books".

Or "nickel and dime" in Matthew 23:23. Your bible is worse channeled toward the Christian propaganda than the NKJV. You should check it bro.

What version of the bible are you using?

Ichie_Mexe: It's a shame that pro tithers can barely present enough biblical proof to support their claims.
Don't put too much trust on your pastors most of them know no better, allow yourselves to be guided by the principles of the word.

On tithe:
Tithing is an old principle that does not have anything to do with modern day Christianity, our pastors have no comparison to the Levites of old, they own businesses, live affluent and flamboyant lifestyles hence they don't fit the description of the Levites on whom tithing was meant for. Also, we practice Christianity not Judaism. The apostles of old did not practice tithing, they brought what they had and shared amongst themselves.

Most pastors are scam artists in shiny suits, they lack all the powers exhibited by the apostles of old making God a liar on a daily basis. If it were all true, how come the "I'll open up the windows of heaven to pour down blessings so much your house cannot contain" has not happened in the lives of most tithers? Might be because the churches they pay into aren't truly the "Storehouse of God".

DrummaBoy:

Image123 we are still waiting to hear from you and your ally and to know how far you have gone with preparation.

I am still asking you guys to study the rules and mode of presentation so that we do not have difficulty during the presentation.

One item of rule is added now to curb excessive waste of time. Pls check the rules on pages 4 once more.

Let me hear from you, ASAP.

Image123:

i never hear from my ally oh. i think the 12hour ultimatum is short. Please make it 24hours. i'll do the best to respond early but i sincerely cannot guarantee the 12hour limit everytime

The mind:

No matter what, where, when and how they proved it, anti tithers had and have made up their minds not to give even if it is God collecting tithe Himself. This is not the first, second, third and hundredth times such topic had come to the public domain for discuss on this forum. It will always end like this because when man makes up his mind to do and undo it takes the Spirit of God to change it even when it is so glaring. The Pharisees saw the hand writings, saw the demonstration and still never believed in Christ. So move on and do what you are convinced in your heart to do. But know for sure the parable of the man that hid his money, when the master came what was his reward? Your answer is as good as what is written in Matthew 25: 14-30.

Pastor Kun:

I could offer to be your ally if your ally is not forthcoming.

The mind:

No matter what, where, when and how they proved it, anti tithers had and have made up their minds not to give even if it is God collecting tithe Himself. This is not the first, second, third and hundredth times such topic had come to the public domain for discuss on this forum. It will always end like this because when man makes up his mind to do and undo it takes the Spirit of God to change it even when it is so glaring. The Pharisees saw the hand writings, saw the demonstration and still never believed in Christ. So move on and do what you are convinced in your heart to do. But know for sure the parable of the man that hid his money, when the master came what was his reward? Your answer is as good as what is written in Matthew 25: 14-30.

Gombs:

Just like GEJ taking FFK for campaign coordinator in the SW

rudedough:

Please stop the Pro-tither and Anti-tither protagonism. I'm an Atheist, i don't give tithe or collect tithe. I have no stakes in tithing or the reverse.

All i want is to establish the truth from the Christian Holy Bible and if you feel as though i have misinterpreted the bible, show me to the right quotations of the bible.

I don't promise to have all the answers but i can assure you that i have an opened mind to learn your doctrine. Please stop sending social phobia to Christians like the devil is trying to deceive Christians about tithing whereas it is clearly written in the bible that tithing should not be paid but eaten. And you're the one misinterpreting God's word.

This is how desperate you pastors can get when someone opposes your teaching with the truth written in the bible. You go as far as to call them the devil/demon/anti-Christ/satan's agent/end time prophets and stuff.

rudedough:

Please stop the Pro-tither and Anti-tither protagonism. I'm an Atheist, i don't give tithe or collect tithe. I have no stakes in tithing or the reverse.

Joagbaje:
.. And if you're really an atheist you have no business in doctrinal discussion except the message of your soul salvation .

All i want is to establish the truth from the Christian Holy Bible and if you feel as though i have misinterpreted the bible, show me to the right quotations of the bible.

I don't promise to have all the answers but i can assure you that i have an opened mind to learn your doctrine.

Joagbaje:
.. And if you're really an atheist you have no business in doctrinal discussion except the message of your soul salvation.

Please stop sending social phobia to Christians like the devil is trying to deceive Christians from tithing

whereas it is clearly written in the bible that tithing should not be paid but eaten. And you're the one misinterpreting God's word.

This is how desperate you pastors can get when someone opposes your teaching with the truth written in the bible. You go as far as to call them the devil/demon/anti-Christ/satan's agent/end time prophets and stuff.

The mind:

Oh oh sorry your mistake I never knew you were the same person as Ichie_Mexe I quoted. Your bubble busted. At the gathering of the hawks the snail came preaching on the technicalities of flying and maneuvering. Ones you don't know the truth the truth can's set you free.

What is the truth about God's Word. Beginner class start reading John 4: read from Vs 1 and dwell more on 23-24. Then you will tell God, reveal yourself to me in prayer.