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Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Nobody: 9:20am On Jul 15, 2014 |
italo:Do not put words into my mouth. I told you the USA already knows about it and exonerated them of charges of paedophilia. If you have any objections you can take them to court. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by TheBigUrban2: 9:23am On Jul 15, 2014 |
Apatheist: Really? Sex with boys is allowed in the USA? What happened to the age limit? 1 Like |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Nobody: 9:24am On Jul 15, 2014 |
italo:Your argument is still the same : 'we're not the only ones doing it, so it's fine' |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Nobody: 9:25am On Jul 15, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:Show me where in my post that I said that. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by TheBigUrban2: 9:27am On Jul 15, 2014 |
Apatheist: Calm down, I was trying to get the gist of the full story |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by TheBigUrban2: 9:27am On Jul 15, 2014 |
Apatheist: Thank you. The guy keeps bringing in atheists, families and nambla as if they would help his case in any way. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by plaetton: 3:30pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
italo:You, Italo, still don't get it. Pedophelia, like any other mental disease, is spread throughout the general population. Do you understand that part? Now, the Catholic priesthood is an institution, an isolated part of the general population. It is an institution that is very very old, very very politically and economically powerful, in fact, the oldest political chancery in the world. And , of course, let's not forget it's pretenses to holiness and piety. Now, within the heirachy of this institution are priests of different categories that have been perpetuating pedophelia unchallenged for two millenia. Over the past few decades we have all seen revelation after revelation of gross abuse of children by catholic priests from nearly every country. Pedophelia in the Catholic priesthood is not just a few rogue priests, but is so widespread and entrenched within the system that it almost seems like some kind of rite of passage for much of their spiritual mumbo jumbo stuff . Any pretense to the contrary is dishonest and evil. And You , Italo, so for you a small percentage (8,000 est.) of catholic priests being pedophiles is no big deal to you, huh? So what happened to god's hatred of sodomy, lusts, fornication, deceit, pretense, etc? Do these catholic priests believe in and serve god, the same god that you believe and serve? Are they backsliders or are they closet atheists? Just imagine if any number of these pedophile priest slip detection throughout their priestly careers and then go on to become saints in the future? Don't you just wonder how many of the saints that you currently revere today may have been pedophiles in their priestly days. Tifiakwa! 2 Likes |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by plaetton: 3:35pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
@Italo If the catholic priesthood churns out the same percentage of pedophiles , or armed robbers as the general population, then wherein lies the virtues that are supposed to be associated with priestly life and service? In other words, who needs a priests if the chances of being molested or robbed by a prist is the same with any other bloke in the general population? 2 Likes |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 4:04pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: *yawns. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 4:11pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: What case? |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 4:15pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
plaetton: Much of your dull assumptions above are contrary to what educated studies suggest. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 4:53pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
plaetton: @Italo Studies show that paedophilia is more rampant in families, neighbourhoods, schools, and in the general population...than in the Priesthood. “the physical intimate abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by [Catholic] priests. - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/05/3-arguments-atheists-arent-allowed-to-use-anymore.html#sthash.aFw3BHAh.dpuf Stop trying to force your ignorance on me. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Nobody: 6:36pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
italo:And your "educated studies" is a blog post? Mxm |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by plaetton: 6:54pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
italo:Ha ha. And did your educated studies take into consideration the millions of unreported cases in 2 millennia? I bet not. Just out of common sense, Italo, would you agree that perhaps just 1 out of every 100 cases of priestly abuse ever get reported? What do you think the real statistics are for Nigeria, for example? 1 Like |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by tbaba1234: 7:16pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
italo: For a singular group that does not have that much access to children, It is quite rampant. Plus, we do know there is evidence of cover-up. A more appropriate group to compare would be pentecostal pastors, and these kinds of scandal are less common. Would this rate drop with marriage? I think so. 1 Like |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by TheBigUrban2: 8:21pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
tbaba1234: Abeg....Tbaba shekau.....you and your peeps are not better.....you are just at the other extreme four wives abi? Allahuakbar |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 7:13am On Jul 16, 2014 |
tbaba1234:Priests have a lot of access to children. Priests spend more time with children than biological fathers...in many cases. Yet paedophilia is less common with priests. tbaba1234: Plus, we do know there is evidence of cover-up.Example? Who covered up for who? Evidence! We Catholics want to know so we can deal with the matter appropriately. tbaba1234: A more appropriate group to compare would be pentecostal pastors, and these kinds of scandal are less common. You're grossly mistaken. Paedophilia is not worse within the Catholic priesthood than among Protestant pastors. http://www.themediareport.com/2013/10/02/evangelical-sex-abuse-worse-than-catholic-church/ http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/us/15protestant.html?_r=2& The rate of paedophilia is even worse with marriage. The reasons you dont find many Protestant scandals are: 1. They dont keep records as the Catholic Church does. 2. The media focuses on the Catholic Church, not because they love children but because they hate the Catholic Church for the truth it stands for. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by TheBigUrban2: 7:17am On Jul 16, 2014 |
italo: Yawn. You have yet to put any numbers/percentages behind any other similar organisation to the catholic church in terms of molesters. Your church has a plague of molestation. Accept it and find solutions. Your PR wont save you. Even muslims that have wife beating intsructions in their Quran are looking down on you |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 7:17am On Jul 16, 2014 |
Apatheist: Ad hominem. I provide a blog that references educated studies. You provide nothing. One can use any medium to reference a study. A blog, website, a book, tv channel, newspaper article...etc. You have poor reasoning skills. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Nobody: 7:20am On Jul 16, 2014 |
italo:Provide the direct links to the so-called educated studies. |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 7:28am On Jul 16, 2014 |
plaetton: I'm not interested in beer parlour ranting. You have no evidence of any millions of cases in millennia. You have no evidence that Atheists haven't molested billions of children in millennia. You have no evidence of the percentage of cases that are reported (concerning priests or non priests) All you have is ignorant assumptions. What educated studies tell us is: Plaetton is more likely to be a child molester than a priest is. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/05/3-arguments-atheists-arent-allowed-to-use-anymore..aFw3BHAh.dpuf |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 7:33am On Jul 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Educated studies show that you, Muslims are more likely to be child molesters than Catholic priests. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/05/3-arguments-atheists-arent-allowed-to-use-anymore..aFw3BHAh.dpuf |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Weah96: 7:40am On Jul 16, 2014 |
italo: If you are allowed to enter heaven then I too must enter. Your moral compass is stuck on Satan. And this is coming from me, a non believer. Your last pope, that Ratzinger guy, as archbishop in Munich, sanctioned the transfer of a pedophil(e) to another parish where the devil went on to rap)e some more young children. As the cardinal in charge of the CDF, Ratzinger was in charge of p)edophiles from 2001. Read this letter and determine if his attitude is compatible with that of a pastor who finds out that a fellow MOG is sleeping with little boys. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/churchdocs/EpistulaEnglish.htm 1 Like |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by italo: 10:00am On Jul 16, 2014 |
Weah96: I see. You desire heaven and you are looking for a way in. Jesus is the way. Give me proof that the then Cardinal Ratzinger knew a priest was a paedophile and moved him to where he could hurt more children. I have proof that Pope Benedict XVI defrocked hundreds of priests in a few years if you want to see. And tell me what you find wrong with the letter. Then tell me what your father would do if he found out you were a paedophile...or a thief...or a yahoo boy. Be honest! |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Ubenedictus(m): 10:37am On Jul 16, 2014 |
plaetton: clap for yourself. When a catholic steals meat, the whole "catholic church" should be blamed, because "the catholic church is an institution". |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by plaetton: 2:09pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: The issues are about Catholic priests, who are bona fide agents of the Catholic institution and all that they claim to be or stand for. We are here not talking about general members of the Catholic faith. 3 Likes |
Re: 8000 Catholic Priests Are Paedophiles by Nobody: 12:57am On Jul 17, 2014 |
plaetton:1) Not every case is true. Some might just be to paint the church bad and mayb get a compesation. While, some are true. We have bad priests in the catholic churches just like every other religions and bodies. 2) This is against the ten commandment which all christians adhere to so if the church is puting up wilful blindness to this issue then its shouldn't be generalise cos everyone faces judgement personally. 3) the pope apologised and promise to keep fighting such. 4) Not everyone is fit for priesthood(no marriage) unfortunately we can't rili tell who's not. 5) Religion generally is getting a wrong turn in this generation and I wonder what's wrong. 6) am a catholic by birth. And trust me I feel like changing church but with what I see other church practise meehn I'll just read my bible and pray at home. 7) there's no number 8. |
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