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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Iwegbadu(m): 11:02am On Jul 15, 2014 |
jpphilips: Now they will say only bsc nurse can do residency then the 3 year nurses will start the massacre 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 11:03am On Jul 15, 2014 |
Tbamo:LMAO! This is what we are talking about. Arrogance! I'm not a pharmacist. But can u carry out ur work effectively,emergency and all,without pharmaceutical supplies? Lol. Theatre cases,accident? Even a mere stitch,minor surgeries,patient monitoring? We paid over N20K for liscence this yr. I had a provisional liscence as an intern. Yes,interns are also subject to libel action. Please get ur facts straight. As long as u have a liscence,u are subject to libel. If an intern haematologist crossmatches the wrong blood for a patient,who get sued? The resident doctor? Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Iwegbadu(m): 11:04am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: Then go to the hospital and go and treat patients now, what are you waiting for? Doctors are not in the hospital setting now so go and kill sorry treat the patients. People claim they can do better till they are in the position. Better shut up oh ye female 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 11:07am On Jul 15, 2014 |
jpphilips:Young man,being a consultant does not mean ''ownership'' of a human being. It means being an expert in ur field of work,so as to be able to give advice and top notch contributions towards the improvement of services. the posts have four key functions: expert practice (max. 50%); research, evaluation and service development; education, mentoring and overview of practice; professional leadership. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 11:07am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: I have seen a lot of residents whom the experienced nurses direct on how best to apply their knowledge, it is nothing new and I wont lose anyone over it except you. In companies it happens and we don't complain, Management can decide to bring a small boy expert who knows nothing, mandate you to teach him while I end every lecture with "YES SIR", kini big deal!! If you want to be like the small boy, by all means, become an expatriate. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 11:10am On Jul 15, 2014 |
Iwegbadu: No one is claiming to be better than the doctor.. No one will ever be better than the doctor. You've failed to admit the truth staring you in the face. I have no words for you! |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 11:11am On Jul 15, 2014 |
GentleMimi: Simple as ABC!!! |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by chinchek: 11:12am On Jul 15, 2014 |
@POSTER: May God bless you richly for this post with deep n' accurate analysis. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Iwegbadu(m): 11:13am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: Opebi what truth is that? U sound like a well mannered reasonable girl. Why are you guys not in the hospital taking over. Hasnt the rule been passed |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 11:17am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg:theory! oga go and get a masters and PhD in an area of pharmacy then I will call you a consultant BUT if you people think you will get your CONSULTANCY while you sit and dispense drugs all day,please think again. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 11:17am On Jul 15, 2014 |
jpphilips: Oh cool, you must have also seen experienced pharmacist correct doctors on the use of drugs! Probably tell the doctor or a not-so-expensive drug to use for a particular condition, or device a better route of administration or an alternative therapy and lots more. We want more knowledge, we want more specialization! WE WANT TO UNDERGO RESIDENCY TRAINING FOR 6 YEARS? 7? 8? WHATEVER! It adds to patient care! IT'S NOT ABOUT OWNING THE PATIENTS! |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 11:17am On Jul 15, 2014 |
GentleMimi: Sai! Patient's perspective indeed. To make it simple, there's difference between laboratory medicine and clinical medicine. GentleMimi: In terms of salary,lets have a rethink. For example,as an intern,a scientist earns N120K, a doctor/house officer earns N170K-N180. Now JOHESU requests for an increase,relative to CONMESS scale....N150/160k. Why NMA wan come get HBP on top the matter? All JOHESU is asking for is a relative increase. Peeps who are shouting abt job the rigors of the medical duty should not undermine what other health workers go through. Being on call in haematology laboratory in a teaching hospital is like being on a rollercoaster! Good, you recognised 'Relativity'. We are asking for the same thing. Every paramedic whose work involves call gets call duty allowance, don't deceive the public. And the call may or may not be the same length of time but definitely not the same volume of work. The issue here is that certain health workers, like the nurses, want a call duty when they run shift. Shift work is far less stressful and it's designed in such a way that you get your benefit immediately. A nurse works 8hours for some days and get some days off. If he or she works 8hours at night, then more days off follow. A doctor works from monday morning to friday. On saturday, call duty begins till another monday morning, he or she manages to go home to change cloth( which in some cases the person may continue in the same cloth) and hit the hospital again for the monday's work. It's a stressful system, sometimes i call it archaic, but that's what's on ground, hence the call duty allowance. A senator will fart all day on that red cushion and collect millions at month end. GentleMimi: As an intern,hazard allowance was a mere N10k. What d hell! We handle body fluids too and get exposed to all the vile things running amok. Really!!!! yours is 10k you're really enjoying. Doctors' hazard allowance is 5k, after mingling with blood of a HIV, Hepatitis B and C patient, after standing for hours beside a TB patient in the ward, after blood splash on the eyes, getting knife cut, and needle prick, from HIV patient during surgery GentleMimi: Those who want privatization of other health sectors are living in a fool's paradise. Who can afford it? Services in the health sector is highly subsidized,but still expensive for certain peeps.why are you scared of privatisation, could it be that everyone's position will be well defined and rewarded accordingly...could it be that everyone will now know who works more...oh, maybe the private owner will know who has more vast skills and calculate wages based on that. The possibilities are endless. Everyone knows how it works in private hospitals. It's only in government hospital, where the salary comes from oil revenue and not based on productivity, that such things can happen. No matter how subsidized healthcare is, the Government (both federal and state), appreciates the huge amount they generate from the sector. And just like power sector, people are prepared to pay more provided they get uninterrupted and good quality service. GentleMimi: And for the skipping of a thing,why are doctors against skipping when they are doing it? They skip from 10 to 12,we want a skip from 9 to 11. Why dem wan get headache? Lol! *SMH*skipping has always been there for everyone, heavily enjoyed by paramedics. The only problem was that some paramedics wanted additional skipping. Personally, skipping is bull$hit, whether for Doctors or Non-doctors. I am of the opinion that every level is earned. Professional courtesy is reciprocal. It's natural to fight and oppose those in authority. The same way we fight the president, is the same way paramedics fight and oppose doctors, 'cause they head hospitals, tag them arrogant. A doctor, politely tells a nurse what to do for a patient, he or she first looks the doctor from head to toe. If the work is not done as directed, and the doctor complains, he is tagged arrogant. In the aim to gain relevance, a lot of Nurses have grown so aggressive, in recent times, that patients are too scared to approach them when in the ward. Professional courtesy is more of a personally imbibed trait not stamped to a specific profession or occupation. 6 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 11:20am On Jul 15, 2014 |
phantom: theory! oga go and get a masters and PhD in an area of pharmacy then I will call you a consultant BUT if you people think you will get your CONSULTANCY while you sit and dispense drugs all day,please think again. Another ignorant fellow on the street. Having a PhD doesn't make you a consultant. Residency training does! Meanwhile, we have the technicians and robots (in advanced countries) to dispense. It's called pharmaceutical care, get it!!! 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 11:21am On Jul 15, 2014 |
centje:a thousand likes. 8 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by IzyLuv(f): 11:23am On Jul 15, 2014 |
sogodihno: Relativity in health sector: Dia's enough relativity now, other start frm grade 9 or 10. u guys start frm grade 12, yet wat do u want? is it dat u want other to start frm grade 6 and u guys start frm grade 15? Health workers start at level 8... and skip level 11... doctors start at level 10 and skip no other... Thanks. 4 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 11:25am On Jul 15, 2014 |
Iwegbadu: The rule has been passed, I won't tell you its not about taking over the doctors again.. Bye! Moreover, I'm a guy!!! |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 11:25am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: I disagree with that, now this quote below is what will save the patient's life, an excerpt from my original post. The Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (JCAHO) - have initiated countless cases against nurses in the United States, between 1998 and 2001, they have initiated well over 413 cases of malpractice,http://www.nursingcenter.com/lnc/journalarticle?article_id=423284 you guys form Unions and organizations to make money but up there you can read what JCAHO is doing for the Americans, when will JOHESU and NMA start legal action against its members in the interest of the patient? You cannot convince me beyond reasonable doubt that a Nurse consultant who cant own a patient will improve my welfare except you are referring to the welfare of her economy, then i agree completely. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 11:26am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg:look brother....if you want to import from the US do it well.if your consultancy entails a residency training,go ahead and do it.if it entails a masters and PhD,go ahead and do it. the west African college of pharmacists has been in existence for years.HOW MANY OF YOUR SENIORS ARE FELLOWS? you prefer to open pharmacies and sell drugs. you, adeola when did you qualify as a pharmacist? have you considered a residency in pharmacy?? |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 11:30am On Jul 15, 2014 |
jpphilips:the NMA & PSN have well defined bodies for disciplining their members.that I assure you. the low cases of disciplinary actions MAY BE DUE TO PATIENTS NOT REPORTING CASES OF MALPRACTICE TO THE RELEVANT BODIES. very few patients are aware that their healthcare providers can be sued. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 11:31am On Jul 15, 2014 |
GentleMimi: were you the person who accused me of being a Doctor? why are you generous to explain to a doctor what ordinarily he should know? After all the grammar you spoke, who has the last call on what happens to a patient as regards his treatment? let us skip the colloquial "owning" "having" etc. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by IzyLuv(f): 11:35am On Jul 15, 2014 |
malbruno: my dear, u have Said it all, just an addition d consultants are meant to specialize in a particular area of study like consultant gyenocologist, consultant urologist etc. Their role differ, so it will be for Consultant chem pathologist, consultant haematologist consultant pharmacist when they have got the requisit qualification. How is it affecting other consultants who shld face their own specialty. what kind egocentric set of human beings A consultant hematologist is a DOCTOR who after mbbs, did residency in pathology, for years and specialized in hematology... so also for chemical patholgy... If a Med-Lab scientist who did 4yrs of basic MLS with 1yr(final year specialty) in either hematology or chemical pathology is awarded d title "consultant"... How den do we differenciate both consultants?? will dey be strict job descriptions If what for e.g, the MLScientists want is consultancy without furthering of degree or a residency program, i think it should be honourary given after some yrs of experience and it stays with dem in the Labs... But even in some teaching hospitals, Drs. are being made to accquire a masters degree in additon to being a fellow, to be called a consultant...i.e mbbs is no longer enough... Personally, i have no problems with Johesu members wanting the title... As long as they either go through d required training to hve equal say over the patients or thiers remain honourary and d pay, based on thier actual degree.... We can have d Consultant scientist, consultant pharmacist, consultant nurse... even consultant cleaners.... As long everybody sticks to his / her own specified contribution to patient care. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 11:37am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: @ Ade You are shifting the goal post, is Residency the latest demand now? haba! I think I will have to abandon this thread because the whole furore don pass patient. this is the NMA's demand that poised me to open this thread, I did not see any residency there, or do I need a glass? The title “Consultant” in a hospital setting describes the relationship between the Specialist Medical Doctor and his patient. It will be a source of confusion if the title is applied to any other health worker who statutorily does not own patient. NMA therefore declares with unmitigated emphasis that if “non-doctor consultants” are appointed, it will lead to chaos and anarchy in the health sector. This should not happen. How can a Doctor stop you from doing residency? if you like, go abroad and do it, all NMA is asking is that you wont be paid as a consultant and you will not be referred to as the consultant because you cannot own a patient is it too much to ask? study this sentence in bold carefully so you will understand NMA better. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Iwegbadu(m): 11:41am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg:MY BAD. YOUR NAME SOUNDED FEMININE DDNT SEE THE M PART |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by 5minsmadness: 11:41am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg:Bullshit. Everybody makes mistakes. The nurse or pharmacist doesn't have to become consultants to correct a doctors mistake. And even if they become consultants mistakes will still be made. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by 5minsmadness: 11:44am On Jul 15, 2014 |
chucs: This patient perspective favours the doctors . I think the writer does not have a clear understanding of the subject matter.So you were looking for one that would favour JOESHU? |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by 1k001(m): 11:44am On Jul 15, 2014 |
Back to the 'owning' of patients. The irony people may not be aware of is that doctors fight each other tooth and nail to not own patients. It's not a beans to be responsible for a life. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 11:47am On Jul 15, 2014 |
sogodihno: Relativity in health sector: Dia's enough relativity now, other start frm grade 9 or 10. u guys start frm grade 12, yet wat do u want? is it dat u want other to start frm grade 6 and u guys start frm grade 15?God bless u.. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by pluto3(m): 11:47am On Jul 15, 2014 |
@malbruno.... lets see who will win.... if u no get money to buy newspaper... senate has summoned lotz of ppl on dis issue... NMA is far more important dan johesu, nlc, tuc n even boko haram combined.... |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 11:49am On Jul 15, 2014 |
jpphilips: My brother, pharmacy also has specialty areas just like medicine. HIV pharmacists exist, Endocrine pharmacists exist, I personally know a Renal pharmacist. All you need to is undergo Residency training provided by WAPCP for a minimum of 6 years depending on your area of specialty. I just got an info from a consultant on FB, that's there's also post residency internship for about 3-4 years depending on the area of specialty too. This is what makes you a Consultant pharmacist. Now tell me how useful such a person is to patient care. Compare how an ordinary pharmacist would optimize an HIV patients polypharmacy prescription to how an HIV pharmacist that has spent almost 8 years studying the HIV drug would optimize! This still doesn't destroy the patient-doctor link. It just makes sure the patients get the best drug therapy at whatever time. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 11:51am On Jul 15, 2014 |
5minsmadness: Dear patients, just imagine the kind of doctor you want to entrust your life with!!! |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 11:51am On Jul 15, 2014 |
jpphilips:Patients' perspectives... edit others like if doctors should etc. Too long and unreadable. Are you a doctor? |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Iwegbadu(m): 11:54am On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: You KEEP TALKING LIKE YOU CARE ABOUT LIFE, IS IT NOT THE SAME NURSES DOCTORS GO ON OUR KNEES FOR JUST FOR THEM TO CHART, AND WRITE DOWN OR CHANGE GAS TUBES EHN. DAME PATIENCE |
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