TheBigUrban2:



The logic in your argument breaks down from number 2.

Just because everything has a cause, it doesnt necessarily mean that there will be an alpha causer. Non Sequitur- it does not follow

Fynestboi:


what do u mean by it doesnt mean?


No incident or thing in this world without a cause, and that cause must posses an alpha cause. Dont get to carried away with you delusion.

TheBigUrban2:


Abeg shift.

<<<<<

Move to the left. You have no common sense

Fynestboi:


sure you dnt have common sense the moment you started to deny the existence of God. Soon you will start to deny that of man as well.

Fynestboi:


wrong syllogism.


2. For every cause there is a cause (cause causer) if you continue this way there must be an uncaused cause where all other cause comer from

finofaya: @folykaze

But you stubborn sha. Do you agree that there is no single definition for God? I agree. You do too, you said so in your third sentence. As such, asking an atheist to define God amounts to asking him to give you all the definitions of God. This is because unlike theists, an atheist does not have a preference for any definition of God. If the atheist limits himself to any particular God, he is no atheist in the true sense. He will only be an atheist the same way a christian is an atheist to Allah.

This is not even taking into account the fact that atheism is the absence of belief. It is you who wants somebody to believe something that will define what the thing is. You may say an atheist wants you to believe that there is no God, but an atheist can only provide you with a broad and general concept of what the God is. Mazaje did good by providing you with a summary of what God should mean, i.e supreme being and all that, but you are still asking for definition.

I think you seriously misunderstand what atheism is or you are just trolling.

The fact that there is no universal definition of God is not the atheists problem, but the theists. It is them after all who brought it up.

And those your examples that state; I believe Fela is God, if you say God does not exist, you are denying the existence of Fela, they are just misguided. Look at it this way; I say to you "Fela is a square circle". You know that square circles don't exist and you tell me so. Would I be correct to conclude that you are thereby denying the existence of Fela? I don't think so. (I noticed you were reluctant to call Fela a supreme being. Hmm.)

Also saying you can label anything as God simply shows that you are trolling. I might as well label this post God. Or bread. That doesn't make the post God. In fact, if I did that, your humble self would say that my post is not God. Then you would have to define God for me.

I still think you may have an unfair dislike of atheists, since you keep excusing agnostics, even though they must also know what God is before saying they have not reason to believe in him.

The definition you seek has been given to you. Maybe its something else you want.

frank317:

I am beginning to think think that you like arguing for the sake of argument. You cant pretend you dont know why many atheist who were once christians or muslims disbelieve in the existence of God. shouldn't it be clear to you that they just think that what they have been made to believe in the past is false and does not just make sense to them especially when they deeply think it through (something the holy books has asked theists not to do)

frank317:
i wonder what you really want to hear here. the problem here is not even about the definition of God, i dont know why that is a bother to you.

frank317:
I think what atheist as against is the fact that one religion claims to be the source to the creator of the world, saying all other religions are false, claiming that all have sinned, claiming that morality is from 'their' God, claimining that an all loving God will roast in hell for not believing in some words written in the book, acting holier than thou when it is obvious that no one is perfect, the deceit in religious houses and how backward religion has made our society become.

frank317:
Atheist are against the contradictions in the bible and quran, the misconception and confusion brought about by these contradictions, the stories in the holy books that makes no sense that people are forced to believe, the violence and waste of human lives religion (especially foreign ones) has brought upon us.

frank317:
why are you speaking of the definition of God like it is all that matters... if God is energy, will energy burn people in hell?

frank317:
do you think if God was just the definition that you gave above and that is all that he is with out one religion claiming monopoly of knowledeg of him, without talking about hell and how jealous he is, without the muslems forcing people to behave in a particular way.... do you think if it were just about seeing God as energy(or what ever you think he is) atheist would have been here arguing day and night?

frank317:
now that you have successful defined your God, does that stop atheists from rejecting the fact that he will burn us in hell or punish us for not believing in him?

frank317:
what do you really want here?

mazaje:

Nice input brother. . .He is just trolling, i just regretted engaging him and derailing the thread. . .He forcefully wants to say that christianity is a monotheistic religion defines god the same way as the polytheist or pantheist defines god. . .he claims that according to christinaity humans are god, many god exist, energy is god bla bla bla. . .this man is deluded and a ridiculous troll. . .

Weah96:

Which kan logic is this? You were making sense before only for you to DECLARE out of thin air that there is an uncaused cause. Why should there be? And who determines the end of causation? Do we just make it up and say it's a God? Hahaha.

TheBigUrban2:

Really? Bill Gates the atheist has no common sense? What about Seun Osewa or Richard Dawkins?

Fynestboi: [size=18pt]The most funny thing abt this dumb peeps refering to themselves as atheist, none of them is a born atheist. It either their faith got shaken by circumstances or they tries to turn God to atm which ended up into naught for them, this kinda dude would start claiming atheist. Trash! [/size]

TheBigUrban2:


lol........As if you were born with a belief in god or religion. We are all born agnostic without belief.

Fynestboi:


nope! Now answer me is your father an atheist? Grandfather? Greatgrand father?

mazaje:

Nice input brother. . .He is just trolling, i just regretted engaging him and derailing the thread. . .He forcefully wants to say that christianity is a monotheistic religion defines god the same way as the polytheist or pantheist defines god. . .he claims that according to christinaity humans are god, many god exist, energy is god bla bla bla. . .this man is deluded and a ridiculous troll. . .

FOLYKAZE:

Friend, we need to make ourselves understand each other. So pls calm down. If you do not understand my point well, kindly pls ask questions. I promise to answer them like I did to that guy in my previous post.

Now lets deal with what you have up there. I can categorically say you are wrong when you mean to say atheist actually were once christian or muslim so at a point when they start disbelieving in those religion God, they become an atheist.

From what I have learnt, atheism is not about disbelieve in christian or muslim God only but all Gods. A christian might not believe in Zeus, that does not make them an atheist. An Hindi might not believe in Allah, this does not make them atheist.

Atheism is the disbelieve in all God.



It is needed man. This would help us with our evalutions.




Anti-religion isnt the same thing as atheism. Get your fact straight.

Atheism is not about one religion but all.




Pls stop all these. It is fallacy to me.

Nature is beautiful and as well ugly. . . . .why dont you start anti-nature campaign?



Yes. . . .nuclear thermo heat. . . .lol

obadiah, I remember him today.



On this thread, I didnt define what God is to me. Mazaje only cited where I label energy as God. This is something that happened on another thread not here.

I am not the one making cliam. Atheists are so they should define or make me understand their position.

It will be madness when I claim America is paradise when I dont know what/where America is or what a paradise look like.

Let go energy as God. It good as label.

So tell me what you think God is.



As if all religion holds this hell doctrine. What is your problem? Are you an atheist because you are scare of imaginary lake of fire?



Define God. . . .

FOLYKAZE:

Friend, we need to make ourselves understand each other. So pls calm down. If you do not understand my point well, kindly pls ask questions. I promise to answer them like I did to that guy in my previous post.

Now lets deal with what you have up there. I can categorically say you are wrong when you mean to say atheist actually were once christian or muslim so at a point when they start disbelieving in those religion God, they become an atheist.

From what I have learnt, atheism is not about disbelieve in christian or muslim God only but all Gods. A christian might not believe in Zeus, that does not make them an atheist. An Hindi might not believe in Allah, this does not make them atheist.

folykaze: Also, considering what we have here which is an atheist forumhttp://atheism.about.com/od/whatisgod/ , it is stated there that atheist who claim disbelieve in God must be able to define what God is. . . . .

Why then is my own question a crime?

FOLYKAZE:

Lol

These are things you cannot deny man.

Human are gods, energy is god. . . Many gods exist.

Atheism is not disbelieve in God only but all Gods/gods/deity/deities.

If man can be deity, do you disbelieve in man?



That is all Iasked.





*sorry for those hash words I used. Also, I am not trolling, I have a thread. . . .here is the link https://www.nairaland.com/1457170/atheist.....what-concept-god-disbelief , it treated this question specifically.

Also, considering what we have here which is an atheist forumhttp://atheism.about.com/od/whatisgod/ , it is stated there that atheist who claim disbelieve in God must be able to define what God is. . . . .

Why then is my own question a crime?

TheBigUrban2:


Great grandparents were pagans. Grandma agnostic

TheBigUrban2:


He is "Bolaino crazy"

Fynestboi:

Go trace you background your fore fathers arent neither pagan nor agnostic they are either a deist, panetheist or panetheist. So you are actually an atheist because your grandpa and mum are? U have no personal episteme on why you are an atheist.

bolaino: After Hitler wrote mein kampf he was tagged crazy, if only they knew on time what he meant by writing the book. Lol,

TheBigUrban2:



Oga, stop drinking

FOLYKAZE:


Atheism is the disbelieve in all God.
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finofaya: Bro, what is stated here is that participants in a discussion about the existence of God need to make certain that they all mean the same thing when they say "God", so they don't talk past one another. That's all. Nobody said the atheist must always define what God is.

FOLYKAZE:


Guy my work don plenty. . . .make I quickly reply you.

No matter how you bend this, we will arrive at the question:

what conception of God does atheist disbelieve in?

Human in some relgion is a God, will an atheist disbelieve in existence of human?

In Yoruba spirituality, Ibeji (twins) are God, will an atheist disbelieve in the existence of God?

Let me employ a dictionary here;

1. an adored, admired, or influential person.
2. the gallery in a theater.

Will an atheist tell me God (adored, admired, or influential person like Fela) does not exist?

Will an atheit tell me God (galley in a theatre) does not exist?


The point I am trying to drive in is that atheism makes sense in some conception while in other, it is madness.

frank317:

And pls stop trying to be smart by being careful to type the phrase 'disbelieve in all God'

I believe u understand how to speak and write english very well. Type the correct thing and put an 's' in the God.
You cannot say 'all God'. You eithe say 'a God' or 'all Gods'
Stop tryint to be tricky or play ignorant for the sake of this arguement, except you just want to waste our time.

frank317:

And pls stop trying to be smart by being careful to type the phrase 'disbelieve in all God'

I believe u understand how to speak and write english very well. Type the correct thing and put an 's' in the God.
You cannot say 'all God'. You eithe say 'a God' or 'all Gods'
Stop tryint to be tricky or play ignorant for the sake of this arguement, except you just want to waste our time.

TheBigUrban2:


If you call Fela a "God", it doesnt mean God exists. It would be like calling Fela a "unicorn"

You are only personifying God or the Unicorn.......you are using a metaphorical sense to say that Fela is very unique like a unicorn or special like God.


By the way, does anyone worship the gallery in a theater? You are just playing dumb to what atheism and God mean.

FOLYKAZE:


You are becoming dumb with days. I cant believe this is Logicboy. Guy pack well abeg.







If you know what worship is, you will know that you can worship a gallery in theatre and Human too.

Again qe are God.



So Mr, take your dumbness else where. . . . . .no time for you. And you must pay for this one I give you.

10 kobo

FOLYKAZE:


Guy my work don plenty. . . .make I quickly reply you.

No matter how you bend this, we will arrive at the question:

what conception of God does atheist disbelieve in?

Human in some relgion is a God, will an atheist disbelieve in existence of human?

In Yoruba spirituality, Ibeji (twins) are God, will an atheist disbelieve in the existence of God?

Let me employ a dictionary here;

1. an adored, admired, or influential person.
2. the gallery in a theater.

Will an atheist tell me God (adored, admired, or influential person like Fela) does not exist?

Will an atheit tell me God (galley in a theatre) does not exist?


The point I am trying to drive in is that atheism makes sense in some conception while in other, it is madness.

Fynestboi:


wrong syllogism.

1. For everything there is a cause
2. For every cause there is a cause (cause causer) if you continue this way there must be an uncaused cause where all other cause comer from
3. The uncausd cause is God.