Fynestboi:



if i may ask you. How do a car come into existence?

Weah96:

Are you saying that you don't know which definition of God we've been talking about this entire time? Is it so difficult to infer that fact from the replies you've read here?
If you sabi lie and deceive like this while carrying God on your head, I'm afraid to even contemplate what you'll do without the load. Keep your delusion, stay away from me. This is a friendly discussion, it didn't have to come down to infantile lies.

onetrack:

The earth could 'divide' due to natural forces. Thunder claps are also natural.

What would impress me? If god himself came down and was able to stop time itself (except for myself), in other words I could move around while everything else is frozen. That would be impressive. Or if this god came down and, on command, created a genuine snowstorm in Lagos, with several inches of snow over the entire city, while the temperature remains as it normally is. Not hail, but snow. I'd probably be convinced by that.

mazaje:

I repeat I gave you the dictionary definition of god, you refuse to accept it you now say that I should go to wiki where it says god is a mere personification of elements, which is actually a lie because god according to wiki is: God is often conceived as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. The concept of God as described by theologians commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence. In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the creator (but not the sustainer) of the universe. Monotheism is the belief in the existence of one God or in the oneness of God. In pantheism, God is the universe itself. In atheism, God is purported not to exist, while deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal (immaterial), a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent".[1] Many notable medieval philosophers and modern philosophers have developed arguments for and against the existence of God

Where does it mention personification of elemenst you shameless lair?. . .You have been lying all over the place. . .From islam claims humans are god, to jainism believe that the universe is god, now to wiki defining god as a personification of elements. . .You are shameless. . .

mazaje:
All the crazy talk just to satisfy your delusion that the bible accepts your lies about god being energy, so far you are yet to come close or point to any where it suggests so. . .All you are doing is reading and inputing your own lies and delusion into the bible and trying to force it to accept your idea that god is energy. . .Where does the bible say that god is energy, show it or remain a lair. . .

mazaje:
So the god of the bible is now sound energy?. . .Are you that deluded?. . The voice of god according to the bible is now god?. . .The word in John 1:1 simply means god's message. But as some one that is forcefully trying to turn the bible god into his own god you anything will be said by you, waiting for you to bring verses from the koran that also claimns god is energy. . .You are deluded. . .

mazaje:
Where does the bible call humans God? The bible says ye are gods. . .It does not say ye are God. . .Why are you just lying any how?. . .You have no shame. . .

mazaje:
After exposing your lies you are now telling me to get a commentary?. . .The verse is very clear, it says do not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of they people. . .No where does it say rulers are gods, the comma there clearly differentiates between the rulers and the gods, no where does it even state that the rulers are god. . . but as some one making things up, anything goes for you. . .You are deluded and shameless. . .

mazaje:
Where does the bible say that there are many God in heaven and on earth?. . .Show me where it says there are many God in heaven. .The bible always makes a distinction between gods and God .You deliberately spin things just to satisfy your delusion. . .I actually thought that islam is the only religion that tries to steal other people's god and turn it into their. . Now here is another deluded African trying to claim that the bible god is his own energy god idea. . .

mazaje:
ou know someone that explains it that way?. . .Is that now your defense?. . .What am I supposed to do with what you know which is just a pack of lies. . .I have given you the standard christian definition of god accroding to christian theology and you are here telling me that you know someone that describes the christian god as energy?. . .So far you have been lying all over, from islam says people are god, to jainism saying that the universe is god to christianity saying that god is energy. . .You are more deluded than I thought. . .

finofaya:

I'm good man. You?

finofaya:
Well, agnosticism is not the position that we do not know what God is, but rather it states that God's existence is unknown. So as far as a definition of God is concerned, it is no less vague than theism or atheism or others.

If you believe that the reasons for atheism are clear, then you must know what the atheist means by God. Otherwise the reasons for atheism could, to you, be practically the same as the reasons for theism, or pacifism, or circumcision or even for wearing native on Friday.



While the pastor is speaking of one God, atheism speaks of any possible God. It is not practical to define all possible Gods before disbelieving them. It is enough to say that we are here by accident.

finofaya:
Do you attribute all of existence, or our existence at least, to an act of Fela? An atheist does not believe that Fela is God. If Fela is not God, and no other thing is God, then God does not exist. Fela is free to exist.

finofaya:
And why does your belief or disbelief depend on "how you define God"? You shouldn't wait for a definition, according to the demand you are making here.

FOLYKAZE:

You are becoming more and more silly.

Because I cant find the word grandfather or boyfriend in the bible does not mean there is no expression in the bible having meaning with the word grandfather or boyfriend.

You can keep denying all you like. Bible is not physics textbook where you would find energy. This is the same way you cant find biological cell or organism because it is not a biological textbook.



I have explained how God is energy.

Human are God, we are made up of energy. Energy is God.

Word said is a sound energy, word is God, energy is God.

God is love. . . . .love is an electro-chemical reaction. It is an energy. It is God.

If you expect to find love is energy in the bible, then you go ahead with your silliness.

onetrack:

Poor analogy. We know how a car comes into existence. We don't know how the universe came into existence--maybe it has always existed. Even if there was a creator, we would not know if this creator still exists, cares about the universe, or even knows of the world's existence.

FOLYKAZE:

You are becoming more and more silly.

Because I cant find the word grandfather or boyfriend in the bible does not mean there is no expression in the bible having meaning with the word grandfather or boyfriend.

You can keep denying all you like. Bible is not physics textbook where you would find energy. This is the same way you cant find biological cell or organism because it is not a biological textbook.



I have explained how God is energy.

Human are God, we are made up of energy. Energy is God.

Word said is a sound energy, word is God, energy is God.

God is love. . . . .love is an electro-chemical reaction. It is an energy. It is God.

If you expect to find love is energy in the bible, then you go ahead with your silliness.

Fynestboi: Poor analogy? Point out anything in this world without a production(created) trait

traware: I experienced the Christians vs Moslems February 2000 riot in Kaduna state and I couldn't come to terms with the atrocities that were committed by both sides and the attitude both sides possessed after the riot(No side wanted to claim responsibility for their actions they instead, preferred pointing fingers)I also began wondering why and how a people who their God told not to kill other human beings,slaughtered other human beings like they were chickens/rams.I also wondered why if there was really a God,why didn't 'he' stop the atrocities from occurring?Why did bad things happen and why didn't this 'almighty' and 'all powerful' God do anything to stop them?WW 1 and 2?Atomic bomb drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?The Khmer rouge?The Rwanda genocide?Questions...questions...back then,the internet wasn't as readily available as it is today so I had to do everything the hard way...believe me,it wasn't an easy journey but I slowly and painfully came to realize there was no 'God' anywhere only we humans.It will be twelve years this November I became a full-fledged atheist.The journey continues...

Fynestboi: Poor analogy? Point out anything in this world without a production(created) trait

if this is coming out from you then you arent an atheist but panetheism. Only a dumb person claims to be an atheist.

Fynestboi:

Fynestboi:


really? Theory of evolution propounded by "mere mortal" a scam theory.

TheBigUrban2:




Guy, I have had enough of your ridiculous assertions.


Saying that God is energy doesnt help your case. It only shows that your God has no existence on its own. Your God has to hang on scientific terms such as "energy" to exist. Your God has no innate characteristics at all.


We know what energy is. We know the difference between energy and a vaccuum. We know the energy is defined by power/force.

What uniquely defines your God?

TheBigUrban2:


God?


Ironically, you have stated the very reason why it is hard to believe God exists. Everything has a cause or creator but then, your God is defined as something that has no creator. Ridiculous.

FOLYKAZE:

I dont know where the problem I have with you lie.

I am serious about this.

The logic boy that I wake up as early as 4am to read his post is not you.

What has come over you dude?

Till you tell me, I wont take any of your post serious. Belief me.

FOLYKAZE:

You silliness has no limit bro.

The bible does not say the word is god but God. I know very soon you will start telling me God is not god.

Let me again explain how the word is a sound energy.

In the beginning was the word, the world was created out of it and the word was God.

The lord said (p.t of say). . . . .out of this the world was created.

How can you say something without a voice?

How can you make a voice without a sound?

A word said is can be seen as a word but on the realsitic sense, it is blend of sound waves and the movement of it energetic frequency.

All I see here is sound energy. . . .it has been from the beginning, from it transofrmation comes everything.




In the big bang, when the singularity exploded, was there no sound? Is the sound not an energy?

You can choose to see it from theological sense, that word spoken is God. There is no way you can utter a word without making sound.

Exodus 22:28, in American Standard Version, King James 2000 Bible, GOD'S WORD® Translation, NET Bible, International Standard Version, Holman Christian Standard Bible and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New Living Translation and so many other translations uses the word[b] God in place of judges[/b].

Are we not going to judge the angels?

Are we not God?

Your stupidity to day makes you argue against gods as different God. I will look forward to the day you will take them as one.

What bffles me again, are you disbeliving in God and not gods?

Your stupidity is alarming.

The God there is judges. . . .and the revile of the God extend to rulers.

Guy read the commentary. . . .God there is human.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of Human because we are called God?

Lol.

Elohim in many places is translated as God. Elohim is not a single person but many Gods.

Deal with that. . . . . .

This is not the issue on groung. You are the bent to deny everything I have. You are the one denying everything tag as God.

I wonder if atheism is the disbelieve in God and not gods anymore.

You are in position to tell me if human who are called God is not existing.

You are the one to tell me if you only disbelieve in only God and not gods.


Lets see how you deal with that.

Fynestboi:


Every have a cause? If everything have a cause then there must be a cause causer where every cause comes from. I

Weah96:

The bible you're waving around was also compiled by mammals, and not even recent ones. That's how the fictional God could create plants and light BEFORE making stars. Have you seen plants survive without light? LOL.

onetrack:

I am not a panentheist because in my personal opinion there is no god.

FOLYKAZE:

You are becoming more and more silly.

Because I cant find the word grandfather or boyfriend in the bible does not mean there is no expression in the bible having meaning with the word grandfather or boyfriend.

You can keep denying all you like. Bible is not physics textbook where you would find energy. This is the same way you cant find biological cell or organism because it is not a biological textbook.



I have explained how God is energy.

Human are God, we are made up of energy. Energy is God.

Word said is a sound energy, word is God, energy is God.

God is love. . . . .love is an electro-chemical reaction. It is an energy. It is God.

If you expect to find love is energy in the bible, then you go ahead with your silliness.

Fynestboi:


combined by mammals with clear evident of been perfect nothing in it has not been fulfilled.

mazaje:

Brother are you mad?. . .Why must i accept what the definition of god is?. . .You are a pantheist and not a theist. . .Your god is energy fine. . .That is your problem. . .I am not talking about your energy god religion here. . .So because humans are made up of energy that means humans are god?. . .Even my car parked outside has potential energy does that make it god?. . .Are you mad?. . .To you everything that has energy is god. . God for you but that is you own opinion and idea. . .Stop trying to force people to accept it. . .You just take things make them up and claim that is what the bible is saying. . .Stop tal,king about the god of the bible because he is not your ridiculous energy god. . The word energy is not even in the bible. . .All you have done so far is just reinvent things give them your own personal meaning and claim others must accept it. . .You are crazy. . .

frank317:

I am beginning to think think that you like arguing for the sake of argument. You cant pretend you dont know why many atheist who were once christians or muslims disbelieve in the existence of God. shouldn't it be clear to you that they just think that what they have been made to believe in the past is false and does not just make sense to them especially when they deeply think it through (something the holy books has asked theists not to do)

i wonder what you really want to hear here. the problem here is not even about the definition of God, i dont know why that is a bother to you. I think what atheist as against is the fact that one religion claims to be the source to the creator of the world, saying all other religions are false, claiming that all have sinned, claiming that morality is from 'their' God, claimining that an all loving God will roast in hell for not believing in some words written in the book, acting holier than thou when it is obvious that no one is perfect, the deceit in religious houses and how backward religion has made our society become. Atheist are against the contradictions in the bible and quran, the misconception and confusion brought about by these contradictions, the stories in the holy books that makes no sense that people are forced to believe, the violence and waste of human lives religion (especially foreign ones) has brought upon us.

why are you speaking of the definition of God like it is all that matters... if God is energy, will energy burn people in hell?

do you think if God was just the definition that you gave above and that is all that he is with out one religion claiming monopoly of knowledeg of him, without talking about hell and how jealous he is, without the muslems forcing people to behave in a particular way.... do you think if it were just about seeing God as energy(or what ever you think he is) atheist would have been here arguing day and night?

now that you have successful defined your God, does that stop atheists from rejecting the fact that he will burn us in hell or punish us for not believing in him?

what do you really want here?

FOLYKAZE: Mazaje is doing everything to shout me down. You desperatin to bring me down only expose how silly you are. (I am sorry for those words, I cant afford but to say it out)



now I am left with a little space because of epistle. So permit me to quote you in different posts.






Guy did you missed the bold part? And if you read down the page, you would see PERSONIFICATION as a sub-subject. Why have you chosen to ignore that?

Well, I am not here to define any God for you. In the first instance on this thread, I asked you to define God and all you could provide is a fictitioner character you created out of your head just to have yourself disbelieving.

I asked you questions on what you defined but you chose to ignore that. You are here bringing a dictinary. Not only that, you are cherry picking what the dictionary contains.

Did you not find Mentors refer t as God in the dictionary?

Did you not find someone adhere, honor or revere refer as God in the dictionary?

Did you not see an art gallery being refer to as God in the dictinary?

Now do you choose to disbelieve in the existence of God when one mentor, someone revere or adhere as God?

The nonsense you presented as definition contain lot of things I do not understand.

What is supernatural being. Does that mean fela who I ahere so much as my God is a superman?

Who told you supernatural being created the universe?

Your definition appears as Deistic conception. Does this mean you choose to disbelieve in deistic concept of God?

This is what I asked of you. . . . . .turning the table around only make you silly.

If you cant provide answer here, let me know

TheBigUrban2:


Wrong. That is a contradiction.


1)everything has a cause
2)the God creator has no cause


1) and 2) are contradictory

Weah96:

You're joking right?

Fynestboi:


wrong syllogism.

1. For everything there is a cause
2. For every cause there is a cause (cause causer) if you continue this way there must be an uncaused cause where all other cause comer from
3. The uncausd cause is God.