AM A FOLLOWER OF YAHWEH AND HIS SON YESHUA HA MASHIACH

Weah96:

Ogun might also be a specialist in deception. I know nothing about his attributes. But in the bible, lying is prohibited. Are you are follower of Ogun or Jesus?

macof:

Yes, they but don't misunderstand the meaning of "being"
Because "being" is simply One that has consciousness to the degree of forming a personality, essence or nature.

Are the representation of these beings conscious? Is iron conscious? Does ogun reside inside iron? Can ogun act or do anything on its own? How can his actions be objectively tested?

Rilwayne001:

That is the major difference between paganism and a monotheistic religion.

I dont know where you got the italized from o, but am very sure when we check the dictionary, such definition is applied to god that are spelled in small letter. they do not have to perform all things, even in the Quran Moses was made a god (smaller god) over Pharaoh.

So you must be talking about the smaller gods which appears in the myth of yorubaland.

Meanwhile, am talking about GOD (capitlized) here, again He is Single Entity and Perfectly Unique in every aspect and Complete and Capable to do all things (not the trinity type tho', cus if he is there is no way the underlined can be attributed to him)

cut the cr.ap. Your Quran is not based on Oxford Dictionary. The concept of the Gods has been misunderstood for ages. Pagan Religions are so old, that gradually they became part of the culture of the people. People just practiced because it was tradition , as they still do, but they have forgotten the original meaning for their actions.


There is no smaller or bigger Gods. You dont measure Gods by size because at the end of the day, all Gods complete the jigsaw of the Universe which goes to infinity.

and again, you cannot refer to God as "he" unless you go by mythological context. You are right on 1 account, though. This is the main difference between abrahamic monotheism and Paganism. abrahamic monotheism personifies a God as the reality of life. Thus you attribute advertise multiple qualities to a God. It is very human in nature, to pursue multi-tasking and the capability to do everything.
An important proof for this attribute is the abrahamic myth of God created man in his image. God is basically a superMAN in abrahamism.

I dont know where you got that definition from tho
but here are mine.
Surah Al-Ikhlas, Verse 1:
SAY: "He is the One God:
"God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being.
"He begets not, neither is He begotten"
"and there is nothing comparable to him"

This is the Creator God. doesnt disprove the existence of other Gods. Infact, if the Creator doesnt beget, then that makes the Creator null and void. This verse is faulty.

Merriam-Webster Online
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe.

Better still tell me where you got it from..odu ifa? or where?

A christian definition. Goodness/Badness is immaterial in Paganism to the attributes of a God.

Again you are displaying abrahamic mentality. In Paganism , we do not take books, etc., as Gospel Truth. abrahamists are forever looking for references to prove Spirituality. so asking me where I got this from is futile. Paganism is all about practice. it is all in the head.

Unibenstudent: Yahweh is the cause of all good and evil,so all ur gods are all answerable to yahweh and to his son yeshua, in the early A.d in Rome ,when the name of yeshua,who is yahwehs only begotten sons name was pronounced all the pantheonss ,all the statues of various gods was destroyed, just at the mention of name of yeshua

sorry bro. Yahweh is the cause of hills, mountains and caves...it is what we call Orisha Oke in Yoruba society.
It is mythologically a junior brother to Ogun

For weeks I researched into the nature of Yahweh and it's history as a deity, I have found all Yahweh's strength are tied to mountains

All your talk is simply that TALK because anyone can come up saying Ogun is the one force of the universe and hide it's records of being a War and Iron deity

@bold that is a complete lie you learnt from your master Paul

MrPresident1:

Interesting manifestations. But the question is how is he represented?

He is represented by his manifestations..like I already said

PAGAN9JA:
cut the cr.ap. Your Quran is not based on Oxford Dictionary. The concept of the Gods has been misunderstood for ages. Pagan Religions are so old, that gradually they became part of the culture of the people. People just practiced because it was tradition , as they still do, but they have forgotten the original meaning for their actions.
There is no smaller or bigger Gods. You dont measure Gods by size because at the end of the day, all Gods complete the jigsaw of the Universe which goes to infinity.
and again, you cannot refer to God as "he" unless you go by mythological context. You are right on 1 account, though. This is the main difference between abrahamic monotheism and Paganism. abrahamic monotheism personifies a God as the reality of life. Thus you attribute advertise multiple qualities to a God. It is very human in nature, to pursue multi-tasking and the capability to do everything.
An important proof for this attribute is the abrahamic myth of God created man in his image. God is basically a superMAN in abrahami
This is the Creator God. doesnt disprove the existence of other Gods. Infact, if the Creator doesnt beget, then that makes the Creator null and void. This verse is faulty.
A christian definition. Goodness/Badness is immaterial in Paganism to the attributes of a God.
Again you are displaying abrahamic mentality. In Paganism , we do not take books, etc., as Gospel Truth. abrahamists are forever looking for references to prove Spirituality. so asking me where I got this from is futile. Paganism is all about practice. it is all in the head.

You are still talking about the major different.
-Paganist believe ogun is not unique therefore his power has limit, same thing with all other "orisha".

-monotheistic religion believe there is only one God and that God is unique..

Shikenah...have a nice day

Rilwayne001:

You are still talking about the major different.
-Paganist believe ogun is not unique therefore his power has limit, same thing with all other "orisha".

-monotheistic religion believe there is only one God and that God is unique..

Shikenah...have a nice day

And we are telling you monotheistic beliefs are incomplete.
There are numerous primordial spirits, each in charge of certain aspects of universal existence

There is no such thing as one God in reality.
The creator force begat numerous others...in fact this was a form of bisection rather than reproduction
The creator is What we call Olodumare in Yoruba who is The Whole.
Ogun is however one Great and majestic piece of that whole

se oro mi ye e bai?

mazaje:

Are the representation of these beings conscious? Is iron conscious? Does ogun reside inside iron? Can ogun act or do anything on its own? How can his actions be objectively tested?

Yes, iron is conscious, not just iron but everything is conscious
Yes, Ogun is the energy present in metallic matter
Yes, Ogun is conscious, Various metal materials that are found beneath the earth's surface and even in our body system are acts of Ogun.
You can test Ogun by old shrine ritual methods or modern lab experiments

macof: Yahweh, the god of Israel who in Semitic spirituality is the spirit of mountains and hills(if you doubt, challenge me to this)

Ogun, the spirit of all metallic elements particularly Iron. In yorubaland, Ire-Ekiti, Saki Oyo and Idanre are his patron cities.

Here we would see how the Bible records a battle between these two spirits

Judges 1:19 - And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of Iron

There's two things in this verse
1. Yahweh's strength lays in the mountain
2. Judah with the grace of Yahweh couldn't defeat an army with the grace of iron(Ogun)

You know nothing about the bible. It is not enough to pick a verse from the bible in isolation. You need a complete study of the chapter and even the preceding chapter. There may also be the need to study other Books for clear understanding.

''I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the multiply agains thee. BY LITTLE and LITTLE I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased and inherit the land'' (Exodus 23:29-30).

God had earlier told Moses He was not going to drive the people away before them AT ONCE for the reasons He gave them. The reporter in the Book of Judges erroneously thought they could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariot of Iron.

The whole people were completely driven out according to God's plan.

macof:

And we are telling you monotheistic beliefs are incomplete.
There are numerous primordial spirits, each in charge of certain aspects of universal existence

And am telling you polytheistic belief is bogus for all the gods in such belief have a limited power on the affairs of the world.

As far as Allah (swt) is concerned is power is unlimited.

macof: [s] There is no such thing as one God in reality. [/s]

The creator force begat numerous others ...in fact this was a form of bisection rather than reproduction

Who is this creator force? Who created the creator force?
Is he Complete and Capable to do all things?

macof: The creator is What we call Olodumare in Yoruba who is The Whole .

This your Olodumare, is he Unique as a whole without the help of Ogun and Co.?

macof: Ogun is however one Great and majestic piece of that whole

Is Olodumare complete without Ogun? if No, then Olodumare is not a Whole himself.

Ya digg

macof: se oro mi ye e bai?

oro re yemi, sugbon mi ko gba wole

in addition @macof..

Who created the other "orisha"?

were they created by olodumare or they created themselves?

truthman2012:

You know nothing about the bible. It is not enough to pick a verse from the bible in isolation. You need a complete study of the chapter and even the preceding chapter. There may also be the need to study other Books for clear understanding.

''I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the multiply agains thee. BY LITTLE and LITTLE I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased and inherit the land'' (Exodus 23:29-30).

God had earlier told Moses He was not going to drive the people away before them AT ONCE for the reasons He gave them. The reporter in the Book of Judges ERRONEOUSLY thought they could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariot of Iron.

The whole people were completely driven out according to God's plan.

I know more about the Bible than you think, once devoted my life to that

here's another verse proving Yahweh is only strong on hills and mountain

Joshua 13:6 all inhabitants of the hill country from Lebanon to Misrephoth-maim and all Sidonia will I drive out..“
Show us where in the old testament did Yahweh drive out any of the inhabitants of the plains

Here's Judges 1:32-33
Asher dwelt among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land for they didn't drive them out. Neither did Naphtali drive out the Canaanites of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath, rather they left them as tributary states

Here we can see Each verse talks about a battle between one tribe of Israel and a tribe from the canaanites, each failure to drive the canaanites out was given a reason.
Verse 19 gave it's reason in clear words BECAUSE THEY HAD CHARIOTS OF IRON
Indicating how more advanced they were in technology by the grace of Ogun

I don't know wat u mean by the bold but are you trying to say Judges 1;19 isn't given by the inspiration of the holy spirit or the holy spirit erroneously reported that

Rilwayne001:

And am telling you polytheistic belief is bogus for all the gods in such belief have a limited power on the affairs of the world.

As far as Allah (swt) is concerned is power is unlimited.

Allah has a limited power, no matter how power a spirit is it must leave space for that which isn't it's jurisdiction.
Allah cannot create blood cells, Allah doesn't live or bath in blood like Ogun
Allah doesn't build the bones, it is Ogun that made human bones into Oku(Hard) and Obi(soft) referring to Male and Female bone structure.
Okunrin - Oku-ni-Irin - male body system
Obinrin - Obi-ni-Irin - female body system

Anybody with little knowledge of Yoruba language knows "Irin" is any metallic element particularly the heavy metals like Iron, Zinc etc

Who is this creator force? Who created the creator force?
Is he Complete and Capable to do all things?

The creator force is simply that "The creator force". The force of creation which holds all consciousness (existence is a result of consciousness, growing in consciousness is infact the reason for our human existence)

Creation here doesn't refer to
"let there be light" by word of mouth and light appeared out of nothing like some magic trick.
Rather light and everything else from Wind to Oceans, planets to stars are all manifestations of Gods, that together make up that Force

Creation is simply a division/bisection of consciousness
The creator has done it's job, while It's other numerous forms are doing theirs

I already explained a single deity no matter the deity even the true nature of Allah as in the days of old in Arabia is only a piece in the whole

This your Olodumare, is he Unique as a whole without the help of Ogun and Co.?

There's no such thing as this.

Olodumare is the whole, ogun isn't a helper but a part of the whole

Is Olodumare complete without Ogun? if No, then Olodumare is not a Whole himself.

Ya digg



oro re yemi, sugbon mi ko gba wole

This last part is simply disappointing.

Pls take 0.1 out of 1.0 do you still have 1.0??
Go brush up ur brain boy

Surah Al-Mumenoon, Verse 90-92
Nay, We have conveyed unto them the truth: and yet, behold, they are intent on lying [to them­selves]

Never did God take unto Himself any offspring, nor has there ever been any deity side by side with Him: [for, had there been any,] lo! each deity would surely have stood apart [from the others] in whatever it had created, and they would surely have [tried to] overcome one another! Limitless in His glory is God, [far] above anything that men may devise by way of definition,

knowing all that is beyond the reach of a created being’s perception as well as all that can be witnessed by a creature’s senses or mind and, hence, sublimely exalted is He above anything to which they may ascribe a share in His divinity!
(English - Mohd Asad)


Have a nice day mr. macof

macof:

I know more about the Bible than you think, once devoted my life to that

here's another verse proving Yahweh is only strong on hills and mountain

Joshua 13:6 all inhabitants of the hill country from Lebanon to Misrephoth-maim and all Sidonia will I drive out..“
Show us where in the old testament did Yahweh drive out any of the inhabitants of the plains

Here's Judges 1:32-33
Asher dwelt among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land for they didn't drive them out. Neither did Naphtali drive out the Canaanites of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath, rather they left them as tributary states

Here we can see Each verse talks about a battle between one tribe of Israel and a tribe from the canaanites, each failure to drive the canaanites out was given a reason.
Verse 19 gave it's reason in clear words BECAUSE THEY HAD CHARIOTS OF IRON
Indicating how more advanced they were in technology by the grace of Ogun

I don't know wat u mean by the bold but are you trying to say Judges 1;19 isn't given by the inspiration of the holy spirit or the holy spirit erroneously reported

that

God covenanted with the children of Israel to deliver the land of Canan to them but not without wars.

Judges 1:32-33 you quoted clearly make us to know that the Israelites failed to drive away the inhabitant of Accho, Zidon and many others. They only refused to completely obey God's instruction and not because they were incapable of driving them out. God was displeased with their disobedience as can be seen:

''And an angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochum and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers and I said I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of the land, ye shall throw down their altars BUT YE HAVE NOT OBEYED MY VOICE: why have ye done this?'' (Judges 2:1-2).

As you can see from the above, it was the Israelites who disobeyed God by not driving away those people AND NOT THAT YAHWEY WAS INCAPABLE OF DRIVING THEM. There was the Israelites' responsibilities and their was God's.

God therefore made the people they spared to become a snare to them as punishment for their sin (Judges 2:3).

Sango, the so-called god of Iron was a human being who got possessed of the devil. His mother came from Tapa land and married a man from Oyo town. He was born like any other human beings. How can you compare him to God? You too can attain his spiritual height if you can dedicate yourself to satan as much as he did and become a god to the deceived.

Rilwayne001: Surah Al-Mumenoon, Verse 90:
Nay, We have conveyed unto them the truth: and yet, behold, they are intent on lying [to them­selves]

Never did God take unto Himself any offspring, nor has there ever been any deity side by side with Him: [for, had there been any,] lo! each deity would surely have stood apart [from the others] in whatever it had created, and they would surely have [tried to] overcome one another! Limitless in His glory is God, [far] above anything that men may devise by way of definition,

knowing all that is beyond the reach of a created being’s perception as well as all that can be witnessed by a creature’s senses or mind and, hence, sublimely exalted is He above anything to which they may ascribe a share in His divinity!
(English - Mohd Asad)


Have a nice day mr. macof

Can you prove these words in bold are true? these right now serve a good example of utterance of a drunk man

I take God there as Allah. Cus there are many Gods.
If you can't ascribe Allah or give a definition it means he is unknown and therefore unexplainable
Therefore how can this writer explain what has refused to show itself to be known??

Ur Allah created out of nothing by word of mouth right?? Like a super Man with magic
So Allah exists somewhere having a single body that can only occupy one space at a time like every other Man, super(like Allah) or otherwise
Pls prove this to us by directing us to Allah's abode or pray to him to visit earth and show himself in body and maybe flesh

lo! each deity would surely have stood apart [from the others] in whatever it had created, and they would surely have [tried to] overcome one another! [u]

You see this part got me laughing still laughing

You think spirits work like men.
You think the nature of Ogun Lakaye Osinmole is like The false representation of Yahweh in many parts of the Bible
where Yahweh is jealous, angry, happy and sharing other emotions like a Man
Where Yahweh marries Israel and divorces the people like a Man

Deities would never fight one another, they work together as pieces of a whole

Ogun won't go to Sango and say "I want go draw lightning and thunder like you"
Ogun can't destroy Sango, they fed themselves, one can't survive without the other.

truthman2012:

God covenanted with the children of Israel to deliver the land of Canan to them but not without wars.

Judges 1:32-33 you quoted clearly make us to know that the Israelites failed to drive away the inhabitant of Accho, Zidon and many others. They only refused to completely obey God's instruction and not because they were incapable of driving them out. God was displeased with their disobedience as can be seen:

''And an angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochum and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers and I said I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of the land, ye shall throw down their altars BUT YE HAVE NOT OBEYED MY VOICE: why have ye done this?'' (Judges 2:1-2).

As you can see from the above, it was the Israelites who disobeyed God by not driving away those people AND NOT THAT YAHWEY WAS INCAPABLE OF DRIVING THEM. There was the Israelites' responsibilities and their was God's.

God therefore made the people they spared to become a snare to them as punishment for their sin (Judges 2:3).

Pls address all of my posts.
1. Show us where Yahweh drove out inhabitants of the plains
2. is Judges 1:19 an error from the holy spirit??

So we can move forward, it's all on you now to defend the Christian claims

Sango the so-called god of Iron was a human being who got possessed of the devil. His mother came from Tapa land and married a man from Oyo town. He was born like any other human beings. How can you compare him to God?
You too can attain his spiritual height if you can dedicate yourself to satan as much as he did and become a god to the deceived.

Smh.
you are only ignorant, it's more than clear as you don't know difference between Ogun and Sango yet you come.talking about who Sango is as if you know anything about that Name and what it represents

@bold. You are a hypocrite. Your Lord and master Jesus was born a man like every other man and you compare him to God...no! No! You call him God
And you here having a problem with calling a man a God(which I never did) when you do exactly that


Sorry your father Satan/Devil doesn't existexist

Unibenstudent: AM A FOLLOWER OF YAHWEH AND HIS SON YESHUA HA MASHIACH

Why are you lying here about statues and pillars falling down at the mere mention of Yeshua? Where did you get that information?
The bible says that false prophets will heal people in Jesus's name. Why are the false prophets not falling down if the name is so powerful? Are they not possessed by demons? Statues didn't fall anywhere. Let Oyedepo and TB Joshua fall first, then I shall believe you.

macof:

Pls address all of my posts.
1. Show us where Yahweh drove out inhabitants of the plains
2. is Judges 1:19 an error from the holy spirit??

So we can move forward, it's all on you now to defend the Christian claims


Smh.
you are only ignorant, it's more than clear as you don't know difference between Ogun and Sango yet you come.talking about who Sango is as if you know anything about that Name and what it represents

@bold. You are a hypocrite. Your Lord and master Jesus was born a man like every other man and you compare him to God...no! No! You call him God
And you here having a problem with calling a man a God(which I never did) when you do exactly that


So your father Satan/Devil doesn't exist

Talking about Sango there was a mix-up. All the same, they were both highly possessed men created by Yahweh you are comparing them with. I mean they were created good by Yahweh before satan took over their lives.

It is untrue that Yahweh who created everything including the plains and valleys had problem dealing with them. Since He created them He could not have problems destroying them. I think that tallies with common sense. I have told you the reason Judah could not drive the people out because God had the plan to gradually drive them out, which He already had told Moses. I have also told you that the people of the plain spared by the Israelites was their own disobedience for which God was displeased and not attributable to His weakness.

It is true that anyone who rejects the Almighty God will worship a lesser being. What did Ogun create? Ogun was known for only destructions in Yorubaland and probably by those who imported him to other countries through slave trade.

Ogun was not in existence when all the biblical events took place and so, Yahweh could not have been in war with him. Satan had not manifested through him. Your post is a pure error.

What interests me in your post is what I have responded to. I have been able to debunk the falsehood and errors, which you are inspired by satan to poison people's heart against their creator. You have been deceived to deceive. May God in His mercy restore you.

truthman2012:

Talking about Sango there was a mix-up. All the same, they were both highly possessed men created by Yahweh you are comparing them with.

pls this thread is not about Sango
Why is This guy talking about Sango??

I don't have time to teach you Yoruba history.
This here is Ogun lakaye Osinmole vs Yahweh El shaddai

It is untrue that Yahweh who created everything including the plains and valleys had problem dealing with them
Since He created them He could not have problems destroying them. I think that tallies with common sense.

Prove Yahweh had power over the inhabitants of the valley and plains by showing us a passage where Yahweh's strength was at display

All you doing are claims that can't be backed by even ur Bible
Ur Bible gives enough evidence that Yahweh's strengthened only on mountains

Yahweh didn't create everything, neither did he create the canaanites that he so hated and discriminated against

I have told you the reason Judah could not drive the people out because God had the plan to gradually drive them out, which He already had told Moses. I have also told you that the people of the plain spared by the Israelites was their own disobedience for which God was displeased and not attributable to His weakness.

pls show us the reason Judah could not drive out the people??
Wait! Lemme show everybody as the Bible puts it in clear words

Judges 1:19 - And Yahweh was with Judah and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron.


Keys words : COULD NOT, BECAUSE
Judah could not, meaning they didn't have the power, why didn't they have the power?.because the Canaanite tribes of the valley had chariots of Iron

This is common sense here
Even in modern times you mr truthman dare not attack an army with superior technology, if you like pray and even sacrifice to ur Yahweh, it wouldn't change your story

It is true that anyone who rejects the Almighty God will worship a lesser being

every God is almighty to those devoted to it.
Yahweh's case ain't different

. What did Ogun create? Ogun was known for only destructions in Yorubaland and probably by those who imported him to other countries through slave trade.

Ogun created all metallic elements, your bones and blood cells.

Ogun is Yoruba as Gu is in Akan, even Ares and Hephaestus of the Greeks represent the same force
So the spirit called Ogun isn't just Yorubaland but the entire known universe.

Just as we know Yahweh as Orisha Oke in Yoruba

Ogun was not in existence when all the biblical events took place and so, Yahweh could not have been in war with him. Satan had not manifested through him. Your post is a pure error.

Lol look at this man making a fool of himself.

Ogun is the force of Metal, Metallic elements existed long before humanity probably even before the earth

Your problem is lack of knowledge and I see how Muslim and Christians frown at knowledge every time.
You don't know what Ogun is and you don't want to learn

What interests me in your post is what I have responded to. I have been able to debunk the falsehood and errors, which you are inspired by satan to poison people's heart against their creator. You have been deceived to deceive. May God in His mercy restore you.

Wat falsehood and errors

satan? The satan that doesn't exist or the satan that is your father Paul?

I would never go against my creator, it is actually impossible.
It is you who goes against your Ori by rejecting knowledge and a chance to grow in consciousness

Malvisguy202, Unibenstudent, Truthman2012

All is Well.

Rilwayne001

I taught you were supporting them before, but they later turned against you... Hmm, All is well bro!

Weah96

what's ur business here? What baffles me most is that, Confused atheists sides with pagans and still calls themselves "atheists".

Macof, pagan9ja, Folykaze.

Ogun, god of iron?
Iron existed before Ogun. Iron has been in use before Ogun or Did Iron created Ogun?
The gods are still asleep...... GO WAKE THEM UP!!!
God Almighty created ogun, sango e.t.c
To God Almighty be the Glory...
Go and tell that to the white men. They came and carried ur gods to their foreign countries for experiments in their laboratories.
Signed:- an unworthy Christian....

Macelliot:

Ogun, god of iron?
Iron existed before Ogun. Iron has been in use before Ogun or Did Iron created Ogun?
The gods are still asleep...... GO WAKE THEM UP!!!
God Almighty created ogun, sango e.t.c
To God Almighty be the Glory...
Go and tell that to the white men. They came and carried ur gods to the foreign countries for experiments.
Signed:- an unworthy Christian....

Iron cannot exist before Ogun because Iron is a part of Ogun.

PAGAN9JA:

Iron cannot exist before Ogun because Iron is a part of Ogun.

Iron was in use before existence of Ogun. Iron has been in Use in the West, even amongs the Arabs as swords, jarvelin, spear e.t.c thousands of years ago before the birth of the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grand father of Ogun...

Macelliot:
I taught you were supporting them before, but they later turned against you... Hmm, All is well bro!

You've started your own anomaly niyen. How have i supported them now

Macelliot:
All is Well.


I taught you were supporting them before, but they later turned against you... Hmm, All is well bro!



what's ur business here? What baffles me most is that, Confused atheists sides with pagans and still calls themselves "atheists".




Ogun, god of iron?
Iron existed before Ogun. Iron has been in use before Ogun or Did Iron created Ogun?
The gods are still asleep...... GO WAKE THEM UP!!!
God Almighty created ogun, sango e.t.c
To God Almighty be the Glory...
Go and tell that to the white men. They came and carried ur gods to their foreign countries for experiments in their laboratories.
Signed:- an unworthy Christian....

Such gross display of utter ignorance
Pls move along let those who know what Ogun is post

Macelliot:
Iron was in use before existence of Ogun. Iron has been in Use in the West, even amongs the Arabs as swords, jarvelin, spear e.t.c thousands of years ago before the birth of the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grand father of Ogun...

Ogun granted Iron and all metallic elements to the universe. These are manifestations of,Ogun
Ogun here isn't a man

Get that into ur Numb Brain

macof:
pls this thread is not about Sango
Why is This guy talking about Sango??

I don't have time to teach you Yoruba history.
This here is Ogun lakaye Osinmole vs Yahweh El shaddai




Prove Yahweh had power over the inhabitants of the valley and plains by showing us a passage where Yahweh's strength was at display

All you doing are claims that can't be backed by even ur Bible
Ur Bible gives enough evidence that Yahweh's strengthened only on mountains

Yahweh didn't create everything, neither did he create the canaanites that he so hated and discriminated against


pls show us the reason Judah could not drive out the people??
Wait! Lemme show everybody as the Bible puts it in clear words

Judges 1:19 - And Yahweh was with Judah and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron.


Keys words : COULD NOT, BECAUSE
Judah could not, meaning they didn't have the power, why didn't they have the power?.because the Canaanite tribes of the valley had chariots of Iron

This is common sense here
Even in modern times you mr truthman dare not attack an army with superior technology, if you like pray and even sacrifice to ur Yahweh, it wouldn't change your story



every God is almighty to those devoted to it.
Yahweh's case ain't different


Ogun created all metallic elements, your bones and blood cells.

Ogun is Yoruba as Gu is in Akan, even Ares and Hephaestus of the Greeks represent the same force
So the spirit called Ogun isn't just Yorubaland but the entire known universe.

Just as we know Yahweh as Orisha Oke in Yoruba



Lol look at this man making a fool of himself.

Ogun is the force of Metal, Metallic elements existed long before humanity probably even before the earth

Your problem is lack of knowledge and I see how Muslim and Christians frown at knowledge every time.
You don't know what Ogun is and you don't want to learn


Wat falsehood and errors

satan? The satan that doesn't exist or the satan that is your father Paul?

I would never go against my creator, it is actually impossible.
It is you who goes against your Ori by rejecting knowledge and a chance to grow in consciousness

I am not surprised at your choice of words, satan has nothing good to offer.

Prove (with tenable evidences) that ogun is the creator of iron.

At what point in the history of the world did he create iron? State your source.

Why was it only iron he could create of all creations?

As your god, Ogun could create only iron, who created you? Who created the Sun, Stars, Moon, Animals etc?

May God deliver you from the power of satan.

truthman2012:

I am not surprised at your choice of words, satan has nothing good to offer.

Prove (with tenable evidences) that ogun is the creator of iron.

At what point in the history of the world did he create iron? State your source.

Why was it only iron he could create of all creations?

As your god, Ogun could create only iron, who created you? Who created the Sun, Stars, Moon, Animals etc?

May God deliver you from the power of satan.

Pls let's do this one step at a time.
I would answer all your questions but let's not leave my questions hanging

Macelliot:
Iron was in use before existence of Ogun. Iron has been in Use in the West, even amongs the Arabs as swords, jarvelin, spear e.t.c thousands of years ago before the birth of the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grand father of Ogun...

ummm in case you have any common sense, Ogun is not a person. so you cannot say Iron existed before Ogun or Ogun before iron. it doesnt make any sense.

malvisguy212: you may defend your allah, MY GOD IS MIGHTY IN BATTLE. Even my christian brethren know that God defend is children.

God bless you bro. Good to read from you.

Satan seriously desires being worshiped and so he established so many religions to actualize his desire.

Thank God you and I know the truth - Jesus.

When last did they hear from their gods? I have heard of people who stole the image of idols and nothing happened. They have eyes but cannot see, they have ears but cannot hear.

truthman2012:

God bless you bro. Good to read from you.

Satan seriously desires being worshiped and so he established so many religions to actualize his desire.

Thank God you and I know the truth - Jesus.

Pls show us this truth.
You can start by answering my questions TRUTHFULLY
Rather than jst call me a liar and run away

macof:

Pls show us this truth.
You can start by answering my questions TRUTHFULLY
Rather than jst call me a liar and run away

Yes, anything that is not the truth is a lie. I have answered your questions but you refused to accept.

You said I should tell you the battle Yahweh won on the plain. My answer is: He wins every battle. I explained to you Judah's thought that they could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron was not the case. It was a mistaken opinion. God had earlier said He would not overthrow the people at a time but gradually. Now tell me if they were not eventually driven out. Again tell me, which other battle they lost on the plain.

I tell you, the only people left were those who they (Israelites) intentionally spared for which Yahweh was displeased.

Yahweh is capable of doing anything He wants done. He is the Almighty. When He visited Sodom and Ghomarah with His anger, only those He spared were left alive. When He visited the generation in Noah's time, only those He spared were left. He sent His angel to visit a city, he killed over a hundred thousand people in a night. What can He not do? The same Yahweh parted the Red Sea for the Israelites to cross.

Which of those weapons could He not use to wipe out the inhabitants of the plain? Was it the brimestone of fire He used to deal with the Sodomites He could not use? Was it the deluge of water He used to wipe out people of Noah's generation He could not use? Could He not send angel or angels to deal with the people of the said plain?

Ask Pharaoh and the Egyptians, they will tell you their experience with Yahweh on the plain.

My friend, tell me what feat Ogun achieved in our world. What is his impact on humanity. Testimonies abound of Yahweh's healing live. I am one the beneficiaries. There is no other God but Yahweh.