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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:29am On Aug 30, 2014
Early marriages are originally recommended for Muslims; it
is healthy and helps for chastity. Delay of marriages is very
helpful for the Shaytan. When a girl reaches the level of
maturity (physically and psychologically), it is
recommended to marry them off as soon as possible.
One of the main aim of encouraging early marriage is to
preserve the chastity of our youths. Allah has created
human beings with sexual desires. As such, when a boy or
girl reaches puberty and develop sexual organs, the best,
the very best the parent can do is to prepare them for a life
of responsibility, marital life.
The urge for sex can be very strong, especially in
adolescence and in most cases, it (the urge) must be
satisfied, either in a halal way or in a haram way. The
desire for such satisfaction has made young boys and girls
engage in actions that are unthinkable. Vibrators and other
intimacy gadgets are everywhere in our neighborhood.
That said, no one need to tell you how rampant pre-marital
sex is in our secondary schools (even before universities).
Teenage pregnancies are nothing new, and so is abortion
and the health risks those innocent girls are subjected to.
Islam has a provision for everything. Islam is for all
seasons and all reasons. There is nothing about our lives
that Allah (SWT) has not addressed in the Quran, with good
explanations from the actions and sayings of the Prophet
(pbuh).
Allah (SWT) says: “And marry such of you as are solitary
and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be
poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample
means, Aware.” [An-Nur: 32]
The father of a girl must not delay marriage of his daughter
if a proposal is received from a compatible man of equal
status who is of sound religion and character.
From the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
The Prophet (pbuh) said: “Three matters should not be
delayed: prayer when its time comes, burial when the
funeral has arrived, and the marriage of a single woman
when a well-suited man has proposed.” [Tirmidhi]
Why should you delay marriages then?
The Prophet (pbuh) addressed the youths encouraging
them to get married as soon as they are capable of
shouldering the responsipility of marriage saying:
“O youth! Whoever amongst you is able to marry, let him
marry, because it helps him keep his eyes away from
lustful looks and preserve his chastity. And whoever is not
able to marry, let him observe fasting, as it is a shield for
him (i.e. protection from lapsing in fornication).” [Agreed
Upon]
Early marriage doesn’t mean that the spouses could be not
mature and responsible, the Qur’an hints saying:
“If you find them of sound judgement.” (An-Nisa': 6) That
means puberty or marriageable age is not enough to be
qualified for marriage. If a son is capable to run a
household life and he is able to maitain mentally,
psychologically and financially and everything of his wife,
then early marriage is the only way to keep our children
away from haram.
In this context, Dr. Muhammad Sa`eed Hawwa, professor
of Shari`ah at the University of Mu’tah, Jordan, states:
“Early marriage is recommended as long as the
requirements of marriage are met including the ability of
each of the spouses to fulfill his marital duties and protect
his/her partner against temptation. The husband should
also be able to shoulder the financial responsibilities at the
sufficiency level. There is no specific age for marriage
according to Shari`ah but the criterion is the capability of
both spouses.”
Among the benefits of early marriages is that “Married
couples perform better at school or university and are
more emotionally stable than singles. Also, living together
with one’s wife will cost one much less than if each one of
them lived separately. The benefits of early marriage are
extreme and it is highly encouraged in Islam if both of
spouses are mature and responsible, and if the husband
can support the family on the financial side.”
Most people confuse early marriage with the marriage of a
girl who is not capable (what some refer to underage
marriage). I believe there is a difference between the two.
The reference in Quran 4:6 has stated RUSHD (intellect) as
a vital condition for a girl to be married.
Allah knows best.

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:29am On Aug 30, 2014
Early marriages are originally recommended for Muslims; it
is healthy and helps for chastity. Delay of marriages is very
helpful for the Shaytan. When a girl reaches the level of
maturity (physically and psychologically), it is
recommended to marry them off as soon as possible.
One of the main aim of encouraging early marriage is to
preserve the chastity of our youths. Allah has created
human beings with sexual desires. As such, when a boy or
girl reaches puberty and develop sexual organs, the best,
the very best the parent can do is to prepare them for a life
of responsibility, marital life.
The urge for sex can be very strong, especially in
adolescence and in most cases, it (the urge) must be
satisfied, either in a halal way or in a haram way. The
desire for such satisfaction has made young boys and girls
engage in actions that are unthinkable. Vibrators and other
intimacy gadgets are everywhere in our neighborhood.
That said, no one need to tell you how rampant pre-marital
sex is in our secondary schools (even before universities).
Teenage pregnancies are nothing new, and so is abortion
and the health risks those innocent girls are subjected to.
Islam has a provision for everything. Islam is for all
seasons and all reasons. There is nothing about our lives
that Allah (SWT) has not addressed in the Quran, with good
explanations from the actions and sayings of the Prophet
(pbuh).
Allah (SWT) says: “And marry such of you as are solitary
and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be
poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample
means, Aware.” [An-Nur: 32]
The father of a girl must not delay marriage of his daughter
if a proposal is received from a compatible man of equal
status who is of sound religion and character.
From the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
The Prophet (pbuh) said: “Three matters should not be
delayed: prayer when its time comes, burial when the
funeral has arrived, and the marriage of a single woman
when a well-suited man has proposed.” [Tirmidhi]
Why should you delay marriages then?
The Prophet (pbuh) addressed the youths encouraging
them to get married as soon as they are capable of
shouldering the responsipility of marriage saying:
“O youth! Whoever amongst you is able to marry, let him
marry, because it helps him keep his eyes away from
lustful looks and preserve his chastity. And whoever is not
able to marry, let him observe fasting, as it is a shield for
him (i.e. protection from lapsing in fornication).” [Agreed
Upon]
Early marriage doesn’t mean that the spouses could be not
mature and responsible, the Qur’an hints saying:
“If you find them of sound judgement.” (An-Nisa': 6) That
means puberty or marriageable age is not enough to be
qualified for marriage. If a son is capable to run a
household life and he is able to maitain mentally,
psychologically and financially and everything of his wife,
then early marriage is the only way to keep our children
away from haram.
In this context, Dr. Muhammad Sa`eed Hawwa, professor
of Shari`ah at the University of Mu’tah, Jordan, states:
“Early marriage is recommended as long as the
requirements of marriage are met including the ability of
each of the spouses to fulfill his marital duties and protect
his/her partner against temptation. The husband should
also be able to shoulder the financial responsibilities at the
sufficiency level. There is no specific age for marriage
according to Shari`ah but the criterion is the capability of
both spouses.”
Among the benefits of early marriages is that “Married
couples perform better at school or university and are
more emotionally stable than singles. Also, living together
with one’s wife will cost one much less than if each one of
them lived separately. The benefits of early marriage are
extreme and it is highly encouraged in Islam if both of
spouses are mature and responsible, and if the husband
can support the family on the financial side.”
Most people confuse early marriage with the marriage of a
girl who is not capable (what some refer to underage
marriage). I believe there is a difference between the two.
The reference in Quran 4:6 has stated RUSHD (intellect) as
a vital condition for a girl to be married.
Allah knows best.

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Nobody: 9:30am On Aug 30, 2014
tintingz: The minimum legally approved age of marriage is less than 15 in some countries. Such laws are neither limited to developing countries, nor to state religion. In Europe, for example, [size=15pt]Catholic canon law sets 14 as the minimum age for the marriage of girls,[/size] as does Spain with a legal guardian's permission. In North America, girls can be legally married at age 15 in Mexico. Canada and many states in the USA permit child marriages, with court's permission .
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage

The reproductive organs of a 14 year old are still developing! If Jesus were to teach and encourage that 14 year olds should marry, then I will personaly question his authenticity as the Son Of God!

The catholic church can reduce the age to 9 years if they like! One thing i Know is that they cant reference that to the Christ!

Any culture, religion, nation, cult or whatever you call it, that enourages sex with minors in whatever disguise are in gross error!

If 9 years is okay, then I think that 8, 7, 6, 5,4,3,2 and 1 year olds are all okay too.

Or, why not bring out a baby girl from theater, before she suckles her first breast milk, give her to a man to have sex with her!!!!!!

I can't believe some reasonings here!.
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by vedaxcool(m): 9:34am On Aug 30, 2014
noblezone:

The reproductive organs of a 14 year old are still developing! If Jesus were to teach and encourage that 14 year olds should marry, then I will personaly question his authenticity as the Son Of God!

The catholic church can reduce the age to 9 years if they like! One thing i Know is that they cant reference that to the Christ!

Any culture, religion, nation, cult or whatever you call it, that enourages sex with minors in whatever disguise are in gross error!

If 9 years is okay, then I think that 8, 7, 6, 5,4,3,2 and 1 year olds are all okay too.

Or, why not bring out a baby girl from theater, before she suckles her first breast milk, give her to a man to have sex with her!!!!!!

I can't believe some reasonings here!.

How old was mary when she conceived Jesus?

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Nobody: 9:37am On Aug 30, 2014
Abdulsalam20: Early marriages are originally recommended for Muslims; it
is healthy and helps for chastity. Delay of marriages is very
helpful for the Shaytan. When a girl reaches the level of
maturity (physically and psychologically), it is
recommended to marry them off as soon as possible.
One of the main aim of encouraging early marriage is to
preserve the chastity of our youths. Allah has created
human beings with sexual desires. As such, when a boy or
girl reaches puberty and develop sexual organs, the best,
the very best the parent can do is to prepare them for a life
of responsibility, marital life.
The urge for sex can be very strong, especially in
adolescence and in most cases, it (the urge) must be
satisfied, either in a halal way or in a haram way. The
desire for such satisfaction has made young boys and girls
engage in actions that are unthinkable. Vibrators and other
intimacy gadgets are everywhere in our neighborhood.
That said, no one need to tell you how rampant pre-marital
sex is in our secondary schools (even before universities).
Teenage pregnancies are nothing new, and so is abortion
and the health risks those innocent girls are subjected to.
Islam has a provision for everything. Islam is for all
seasons and all reasons. There is nothing about our lives
that Allah (SWT) has not addressed in the Quran, with good
explanations from the actions and sayings of the Prophet
(pbuh).
Allah (SWT) says: “And marry such of you as are solitary
and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be
poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample
means, Aware.” [An-Nur: 32]
The father of a girl must not delay marriage of his daughter
if a proposal is received from a compatible man of equal
status who is of sound religion and character.
From the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
The Prophet (pbuh) said: “Three matters should not be
delayed: prayer when its time comes, burial when the
funeral has arrived, and the marriage of a single woman
when a well-suited man has proposed.” [Tirmidhi]
Why should you delay marriages then?
The Prophet (pbuh) addressed the youths encouraging
them to get married as soon as they are capable of
shouldering the responsipility of marriage saying:
“O youth! Whoever amongst you is able to marry, let him
marry, because it helps him keep his eyes away from
lustful looks and preserve his chastity. And whoever is not
able to marry, let him observe fasting, as it is a shield for
him (i.e. protection from lapsing in fornication).” [Agreed
Upon]
Early marriage doesn’t mean that the spouses could be not
mature and responsible, the Qur’an hints saying:
“If you find them of sound judgement.” (An-Nisa': 6) That
means puberty or marriageable age is not enough to be
qualified for marriage. If a son is capable to run a
household life and he is able to maitain mentally,
psychologically and financially and everything of his wife,
then early marriage is the only way to keep our children
away from haram.
In this context, Dr. Muhammad Sa`eed Hawwa, professor
of Shari`ah at the University of Mu’tah, Jordan, states:
“Early marriage is recommended as long as the
requirements of marriage are met including the ability of
each of the spouses to fulfill his marital duties and protect
his/her partner against temptation. The husband should
also be able to shoulder the financial responsibilities at the
sufficiency level. There is no specific age for marriage
according to Shari`ah but the criterion is the capability of
both spouses.”
Among the benefits of early marriages is that “Married
couples perform better at school or university and are
more emotionally stable than singles. Also, living together
with one’s wife will cost one much less than if each one of
them lived separately. The benefits of early marriage are
extreme and it is highly encouraged in Islam if both of
spouses are mature and responsible, and if the husband
can support the family on the financial side.”
Most people confuse early marriage with the marriage of a
girl who is not capable (what some refer to underage
marriage). I believe there is a difference between the two.
The reference in Quran 4:6 has stated RUSHD (intellect) as
a vital condition for a girl to be married.
Allah knows best.


Does this your theory of "early marriage" includ that of little kids
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:45am On Aug 30, 2014
CLICK ON THIS LINK FOR DETAILED ANALYSIS BECUSE U PEOPLE LACK SIMPLE KNOWLEDGE www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/prophet_marriage_with_aisha.htm
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:46am On Aug 30, 2014
noblezone:

Does this your theory of "early marriage" includ that of little kids
PLS FOLLOW THE LINK I POSTED
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:49am On Aug 30, 2014
Now some may object to this saying how could the
Prophet marry Aisha at such a young age. One must
first understand that 1400 years ago was very
different than now, times have changed and so have
humans. 1400 years ago it was something very
common to marry young girls, in fact they were not
considered young girls, rather they were considered
young women back then. It is a historic fact that
girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in
Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United
States girls at the age of 10 were also being married
just more than a century ago.
Yet with these facts no historian claims that all
these people were sick perverts, historians would
call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant
and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding
of history.
Furthermore as to the prophets Marriage with
Aisha, something people will notice is that the
completion of the marriage was done when Aisha
was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a
reason for that. The reason why this happened is
because Aisha had been through puberty by the age
of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty
is considered a lady and is fit for marriage. Now
some may say how does a girl go through puberty at
the age of 9? :
When does puberty start? Although puberty
usually starts between ages 8 to 13 in girls , it may
start earlier or later. Everyone's body changes at a
different time. Whether you have breasts at age 10
or have not started your period by age 14, do not
worry. Everyone goes through puberty eventually.
( http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/
cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103&title=PUBERTY
+IN+GIRLS+&cid=HTHLTH )
So note, a period for a girl occurs from the age of 8
to 14, though this is not always the case as a girl
can also start her period by 14 or maybe 15.
However so for Aisha it is most likely her puberty
started at 8, and continued till she was 9, and once
she was going through puberty and her menses, this
made her a lady and not a girl anymore since she
was fit for a baby therefore she is no child
anymore.
In fact early symptoms of a girl going through
puberty is described as:
You may get PMS. PMS or "premenstrual
syndrome" is a group of changes you may see and
feel before your period. You may have headaches,
dizziness, or feel sick to your stomach before your
period. You may feel like crying more, feel a little
sad, and feel more emotional about everything. PMS
may cause you to retain (hold onto) water.
Retaining water means that your body tries to keep
more body fluid in before and during your period.
This may make your breasts tender and cause you
to feel bloated, restless, or grumpy.
If we read the hadiths, we find that right before
Aisha got married off to the prophet that she was
sick and not feeling to well:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was
a girl of six (years). We went to
Medina and stayed at the home of
Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I
got ill and my hair fell down. Later
on my hair grew (again) and my
mother, Um Ruman, came to me
while I was playing in a swing with
some of my girl friends. She called
me, and I went to her, not knowing
what she wanted to do to me. She
caught me by the hand and made me
stand at the door of the house. I was
breathless then, and when my
breathing became Allright, she took
some water and rubbed my face and
head with it. Then she took me into
the house. There in the house I saw
some Ansari women who said, "Best
wishes and Allah's Blessing and a
good luck." Then she entrusted me to
them and they prepared me (for the
marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's
Apostle came to me in the forenoon
and my mother handed me over to
him, and at that time I was a girl of
nine years of age.
So as we can see, Aisha got ill and her body
was going through some changes, indicating
that she was going through her puberty. In fact
during puberty a girl will want to be away
from her family, meaning her mother and
father:
Want to be away from your family: During puberty, you
may want to spend most of your time with friends instead
of family members. You may feel embarrassed by your
family or parents. You may feel like your parents have no
idea what you are going through during puberty. It is
normal for you to want to be with and dress like your
friends most of the time. Just remember that sometime
your family may be a better support for you than your
friends. ( http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/
cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103&title=PUBERTY+IN
+GIRLS+&cid=HTHLTH )
Aisha had no problems when she moved in with the
Prophet, nor did she show signs of distress from
being away from her mother or father, rather she
was very happy, obviously not the type of emotion
you would get from a supposed child now would
you? A child will want to be with its mother and
father, and if it is taken away from them it will cry
a lot and will be very distressed, yet no such signs
were shown from Aisha.
So therefore as we can see, there was nothing
wrong with the marriage, Aisha was going through
puberty, she was fit to have a child, meaning she
was not a child anymore, and under God a lady
who goes through puberty is officially considered fit
for marriage, this is something that many Christians
agree on as do the Jews.
2- Was the Prophet a paedophile?
(astaghfurillah may God curse those who call the prophet such
a name!)
Now what is a paedophile?
http://www.polfed.org/
magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm
"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means
all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a
sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age
or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of
sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children
due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of
personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When
considering treatment therefore it is important to
establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such
individuals."
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by AbdH: 11:43am On Aug 30, 2014
cloudstar:

Please present facts Bros

Create another thread bros and I'll oblige you.
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by macof(m): 2:33pm On Aug 30, 2014
Zeinymira: How could he do this?
Every society has its norms.
Every culture has its norms.
If the norm of today society is that a woman should marry at 18,tomorrow it might be 2o even 30.
Does that mean that those who married someone 18 years old many years back are paedophille?
It depends on the norms
Islam does not force you or me to marry at that age.
It has to do with our society.
In some part of Europe,the gypsies marry as early as 6,9,13,they even have their first baby at 12 but no one is talking!!!
U can google.
Some 9 year old looks like 20year old in some other countries.
We are not interested in this arguement.

Buh am sure this won't stop you guys from asking this kwesion all over again

True one should respect people's culture but it's utter stupidity and slavery for an African coming from a culture that frowns against child marriage to pick up Arab culture and traditions like that.

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Zeinymira(f): 3:45pm On Aug 30, 2014
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True one should respect people's culture but it's utter stupidity and slavery for an African coming from a culture that frowns against child marriage to pick up Arab culture and traditions like that.

Did you miss the part where I wrote "Islam does not force you or me to marry at that age?
See,it all boils down to your society.
No one is picking Arab culture or whatever
Its not an Islamic teaching to say you must do this!
The people during the time of d Prophet(S.A.W) did not complain,that means it was their norms. We don't know what six year old look like then.

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by macof(m): 4:32pm On Aug 30, 2014
Zeinymira:
Did you miss the part where I wrote "Islam does not force you or me to marry at that age?
See,it all boils down to your society.
No one is picking Arab culture or whatever
Its not an Islamic teaching to say you must do this!
The people during the time of d Prophet(S..W) did not complain,that means it was their norms. We don't know what six year old look like then.

See how blind you are to reason.
Trying to twist simple things.

6years old is 6yrs old, there's nothing like "what they look like then"

Arabs are known for paedophilia, it's a shame on a non-Arab to copy Arabs to the extent of engaging in child marriage which is a sin where I come from

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Zeinymira(f): 5:09pm On Aug 30, 2014
macof:

See how blind you are to reason.
Trying to twist simple things.

6years old is 6yrs old, there's nothing like "what they look like then"

Arabs are known for paedophilia, it's a shame on a non-Arab to copy Arabs to the extent of engaging in child marriage which is a sin where I come from
Mtcheew.
It no use going in circle with you since u refused to use your head for what it is meant for.
6 years old of more than 1400 years ago is the same with today present 6 year old ba? Ok o I hear you
Society that will not accept child marriage won't accept it and we are not denying that.
There's no verse in the Quran that says you should marry a child. Gypsies in Europe marry as early as 9 buh no one is talking because it is their culture.
Don't quote me again!!

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by true2god: 5:47pm On Aug 30, 2014
Zeinymira:
Mtcheew.
It no use going in circle with you since u refused to use your head for what it is meant for.
6 years old of more than 1400 years ago is the same with today present 6 year old ba? Ok o I hear you
Society that will not accept child marriage won't accept it and we are not denying that.
There's no verse in the Quran that says you should marry a child. Gypsies in Europe marry as early as 9 buh no one is talking because it is their culture.
Don't quote me again!!
You will be quoted until you start reasoning as a 21st century man. I'm always in a state of shock when muslims are defending their prophet, who at 51, engaged a six year old child.

Thats barbaric and terrible! It's a child abuse to a sane mind.
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by true2god: 6:19pm On Aug 30, 2014
Zeinymira:
We don't know what six year old look like then.
From your post human beings would have evolved into another specie from 625AD till date. That is a lie!

The average body mass of a human, say 1400yrs ago, is still quite the same. A girl from a rich home with better nutrition will obviosly has a better body structure than a girl from a poor home. Besides, the child's growth can equally be a product of hereditory from either parents.

What im saying is this, a girl of 6yrs old remains a girl biologically, emotionally and psychologically. She can never be emotionally and psychologically attached to a man. Aisha at 6 can never be emotionally attached to mohammed, she can never know when a man comes to her for her hand in marriage. She can never decide whether she loves mohammed or not.

My thinking is that marriage between a man and a woman has to be a mutual love, but my NL muslims friends have opened my eyes to the fact that love is not necessary in a marriage as long as the girls parent are ready to submit their daughter for a willing man.

Aisha was 'dashed' to mohammed to satisfy his lustful desires. Its a bad example for someone that calls himself a prophet.

My friend can you, as a muslim, raise the issue of aisha's age when he married mohammed in a mosque or at home without you losing ur head? I knw u r from a conservative muslim home.

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by tintingz(m): 6:59pm On Aug 30, 2014
noblezone:

The reproductive organs of a 14 year old are still developing! If Jesus were to teach and encourage that 14 year olds should marry, then I will personaly question his authenticity as the Son Of God!
Really? then kindly question Jehovah why Mary got pregnant at that minor age to beget him a son.

The catholic church can reduce the age to 9 years if they like! One thing i Know is that they cant reference that to the Christ!
but they can reference it to Jesus mother(as)

Any culture, religion, nation, cult or whatever you call it, that enourages sex with minors in whatever disguise are in gross error!
the mature age in ancient days is quite different from present day own, why do you think maturity age in the west was shifted from 14 to 16 and now 18? what will be the maturity age in the future?

you can't use today's system of age maturity to judge the past.

If 9 years is okay, then I think that 8, 7, 6, 5,4,3,2 and 1 year olds are all okay too.
there is no where the Quran mention to marry a child girl, the Quran said something about maturity.

“And test the orphans [in your charge] until they reach a marriageable age; then, if you find them to be mature of mind/sound in judgment, hand over to them their possessions…” (Quran, 4:6)

Or, why not bring out a baby girl from theater, before she suckles her first breast milk, give her to a man to have sex with her!!!!!!

I can't believe some reasonings here!.
why not reason yourself.

you are quick to point Islam for abuse on girl child and mention Prophet Muhammed(sa) but you forgot that catholic canon law allow child marriage and in some part in Europe and America.

there is no where the Quran mention any age or to marry a girl child.

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by macof(m): 7:05pm On Aug 30, 2014
Zeinymira:
Mtcheew.
It no use going in circle with you since u refused to use your head for what it is meant for.
6 years old of more than 1400 years ago is the same with today present 6 year old ba? Ok o I hear you
Society that will not accept child marriage won't accept it and we are not denying that.
There's no verse in the Quran that says you should marry a child. Gypsies in Europe marry as early as 9 buh no one is talking because it is their culture.
Don't quote me again!!

It seems you are naturally daft or jst been stupefied by Islam

6yrs old remains 6yrs old..doesn't matter what age or era. Everybody knows 6yrs old is a young child whether 3000yrs ago or now

The fact that Arabs have no problem marrying 6 year olds doesn't mean an African man should do the same in the name of "Islam is ok with it"
Yoruba traditions like many in Africa(if not all) is against child marriage. Only fools who have turned themselves to Arab slaves engage in this

Simple as that, your Islamic blindness has shut ur reasoning

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by tintingz(m): 7:06pm On Aug 30, 2014
macof:

See how blind you are to reason.
Trying to twist simple things.

6years old is 6yrs old, there's nothing like "what they look like then"

Arabs are known for paedophilia, it's a shame on a non-Arab to copy Arabs to the extent of engaging in child marriage which is a sin where I come from
at what age do you think our African fathers marry our mothers in the past?

don't forget the arranged marriage system.
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by macof(m): 7:14pm On Aug 30, 2014
tintingz: at what age do you think our African fathers marry our mothers in the past?

don't forget the arranged marriage system.
20-30 years old

Arranged marriage Prove this
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by tintingz(m): 7:23pm On Aug 30, 2014
true2god: From your post human beings would have evolved into another specie from 625AD till date. That is a lie!

The average body mass of a human, say 1400yrs ago, is still quite the same. A girl from a rich home with better nutrition will obviosly has a better body structure than a girl from a poor home. Besides, the child's growth can equally be a product of hereditory from either parents.

What im saying is this, a girl of 6yrs old remains a girl biologically, emotionally and psychologically. She can never be emotionally and psychologically attached to a man. Aisha at 6 can never be emotionally attached to mohammed, she can never know when a man comes to her for her hand in marriage. She can never decide whether she loves mohammed or not.

My thinking is that marriage between a man and a woman has to be a mutual love, but my NL muslims friends have opened my eyes to the fact that love is not necessary in a marriage as long as the girls parent are ready to submit their daughter for a willing man.

Aisha was 'dashed' to mohammed to satisfy his lustful desires. Its a bad example for someone that calls himself a prophet.

My friend can you, as a muslim, raise the issue of aisha's age when he married mohammed in a mosque or at home without you losing ur head? I knw u r from a conservative muslim home.
if you think a 9 year old girl is a child in ancient days then what will you say to this present child girls given birth in the west.

11 Year-Old Mexican Girl Gives Birth
http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=441751&CategoryId=14091

11-year-old gives birth to baby girl... after going into labor at her wedding
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/11-year-old-birth-baby-girl-labor-wedding-article-1.413674

Britain's youngest parents are 12 year old girl who gave birth
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605672/Britains-youngest-parents-Mother-12-gives-birth-7lb-baby-girl-falling-pregnant-primary-school-boy-aged-13.html

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by golpen(m): 7:26pm On Aug 30, 2014
true2god: You will be quoted until you start reasoning as a 21st century man. I'm always in a state of shock when muslims are defending their prophet, who at 51, engaged a six year old child.

Thats barbaric and terrible! It's a child abuse to a sane mind.

it is a shame that your bible and christianity did not give you the guidelines as to such issues and several other issues of your life and how you are made. that is why you blindly follow the ideologies of the 21st century, when you are at the junction like this. you have forgotten that these same 21st century ideologies have failed you in so many ways and have rendered your priests h.o.mosick!

islam encompasses completely the way of life of we muslims and the life and actions and words of the prophet s.a.w is a model for each and every muslim, regardless the tribe, culture, colour or race. you have failed to prove her wrong about some set of people marrying at age 9 because it is a norm in their culture. this is to mean that islam is not against that kind of peactice if it is supported by your culture and if it practised rightly just like the prophet did. there was no record of lady Aisha r.a having any mutilation or diseases, so what?

see konji is killing your pastor chris oyakhilome cheesy , but he is tired of Anita and western ideology doesn't allow him to take another wife. you see, he resolved to committing adultery. his name is all over the place with his wife chasing him with court cases grin

it is clear that you will still not agree...no wonder your reasoning cannot match that of this pretty lady. you dont have aolid point aside your 21st century ideologies

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by Zeinymira(f): 7:32pm On Aug 30, 2014
If the Prophet's(PBUH) marriage to Aisha(RA) was something that was unheard of,am sure the Islamphobias of his time would have included it in their many poems.
No one complained because it was their norms
It was until recently that you people started ranting without reasoning like a sane 21st centuriy human!!!
In the ancient days,women married as early as 13,14 am sure someone in your lineage must have married at such age,does that make her an abused child? Or him a paedophille?

When one is being brain washed by an iron sponge and when the heart is darkened with hatred,reasoning will be very hard

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by tintingz(m): 7:59pm On Aug 30, 2014
macof:
20-30 years old

Arranged marriage Prove this
False..

arrange marriage and child bride is a costume in africa, infact the rate of the practice is high.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by tintingz(m): 8:03pm On Aug 30, 2014
Zeinymira: If the Prophet's(PBUH) marriage to Aisha(RA) was something that was unheard of,am sure the Islamphobias of his time would have included it in their many poems.
No one complained because it was their norms
It was until recently that you people started ranting without reasoning like a sane 21st centuriy human!!!
In the ancient days,women married as early as 13,14 am sure someone in your lineage must have married at such age,does that make her an abused child? Or him a paedophille?

When one is being brain washed by an iron sponge and when the heart is darkened with hatred,reasoning will be very hard
Thank you.

There is no record of Aisha(ra) unhappiness marrying the Prophet(sa) instead she was happy.

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by TheBigUrban2: 8:14pm On Aug 30, 2014
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by macof(m): 9:31pm On Aug 30, 2014
tintingz: False..

arrange marriage and child bride is a costume in africa, infact the rate of the practice is high.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage


maybe in ur part of Africa. Where I come from I have never heard of arrange marriage with children
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by true2god: 10:05pm On Aug 30, 2014
golpen:

it is a shame that your bible and christianity did not give you the guidelines as to such issues and several other issues of your life and how you are made. that is why you blindly follow the ideologies of the 21st century, when you are at the junction like this. you have forgotten that these same 21st century ideologies have failed you in so many ways and have rendered your priests h.o.mosick!

islam encompasses completely the way of life of we muslims and the life and actions and words of the prophet s.a.w is a model for each and every muslim, regardless the tribe, culture, colour or race. you have failed to prove her wrong about some set of people marrying at age 9 because it is a norm in their culture. this is to mean that islam is not against that kind of peactice if it is supported by your culture and if it practised rightly just like the prophet did. there was no record of lady Aisha r.a having any mutilation or diseases, so what?

see konji is killing your pastor chris oyakhilome cheesy , but he is tired of Anita and western ideology doesn't allow him to take another wife. you see, he resolved to committing adultery. his name is all over the place with his wife chasing him with court cases grin

it is clear that you will still not agree...no wonder your reasoning cannot match that of this pretty lady. you dont have aolid point aside your 21st century ideologies
The bible did ask us to marry and not to be a ped0phile. Remember, aside aisha, mohammed had so many slave women capture in wars, some of whom he married and others he used as sex slaves (all recorded in your hadith).

If mohammed had so many women at his disposal, why will be go for a 6 year old girl (when he was 51)? Did mohammed fall in love with a 6 yr old or had feeling for a six year old? My friend, it is only an old man who is mentally sick that will lust after a girl of that age.

Culture does not mean we should no longer be reasonable. In Igbo culture at a time, twins are considered a taboo and are killed as soon as they are born, but with at this 21st century, that practice is no longer applicable or acceptable.

Mohammed is expected to be of a higher moral standard than his contemporary (being a religios leader) and not to engage in immoral practices.
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by GooseBaba: 11:09pm On Aug 30, 2014
All these people making excuses for child marriages by quoting written words of men as the absolute truth should quickly go and marry those young girls that can no longer hold their urine because a man who is old enough to be her father ravaged her young body in the name of marriage, got her pregnant then turned around and abandoned her.

Reality check.... She is still a CHILD.!!!!. She is not fully formed to handle pregnancy..

How come the children of rich Nigerian muslims do not get married off at 12 or 14 despite the fact that they have developed Intimate organs (pbuh). However, ..they are allowed to get an education, mature physically and mentally... Then they can become second or third wife..

Is it a crime to be born in a poor home..? Young girls are punished because religious fanatic cannot phantom the thoughts of doing away with human suffering (girls) in the name of a mere mortal that lived, shiiit, fvcked shadow small pikin bobbie and ripped her buttt hole out of place with his 50yr blokus.... Smh

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by golpen(m): 8:38am On Aug 31, 2014
true2god: The bible did ask us to marry and not to be a ped0phile. Remember, aside aisha, mohammed had so many slave women capture in wars, some of whom he married and others he used as sex slaves (all recorded in your hadith).

If mohammed had so many women at his disposal, why will be go for a 6 year old girl (when he was 51)? Did mohammed fall in love with a 6 yr old or had feeling for a six year old? My friend, it is only an old man who is mentally sick that will lust after a girl of that age.

Culture does not mean we should no longer be reasonable. In Igbo culture at a time, twins are considered a taboo and are killed as soon as they are born, but with at this 21st century, that practice is no longer applicable or acceptable.

Mohammed is expected to be of a higher moral standard than his contemporary (being a religios leader) and not to engage in immoral practices.

true2goodu! grin stop blabbering

what age boundary does your bible give for your women to be eligible for marriage?

which verse of the bible asks you not to be a paedophile?

where in your bible did GOD speak and asked you to marry only one wife?

what does your bible say regarding the will and inheritance?

all concerning these above and so many others have been outlined for muslims in their religion. we don't need western ideologies.

you think that aspect of culture is unreasonable, well that's youe opinion. islam supports it because of people like the gypsies who have that practice as part of their culture. someone who thinks it normal to marry marry at that age will also thunk you are unreasonable bringing up this argument.

and ny friend, you don't need to lie to make an argument...where in the hadith did you find sex slaves? its in your blood anyway!

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Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by cloudstar: 8:51am On Aug 31, 2014
AbdH:

Create another thread bros and I'll oblige you.

What should I call it?
Re: Islam And The Abuse Of The Girl Child? by cloudstar: 8:56am On Aug 31, 2014
golpen:

what is this one sayinni? ! grin

can't you use your senses and see that muslims give names also for the same reasons?

imagine you are tellibg me about the way christians dress as if the flowing gowns of the nuns, the regalia of the bishops and the kotopo cap of the reverends, not to mention the white collar of evangelists are all dressings in your native land.

my friend, you have a problem grin

You have comprehension problems. Do bishops wear their robes when they go to work or when they take their kids to school? Do reverends wear their robes outside the church?

The average Muslim dress like an Arabian, has a name like an Arabian, even learns Arabic and has to travel to Mecca to get any kind of closure.

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