rasputinn:

Of course Christiano Ronaldo is far far better than Messi
Ronaldo has proved that he can do his thing and shine for club and country and in the English premiership or La liga,but Messi seems only to be able to thrive in Barcelona where the like of Xavi,Iniesta and co are there to make him shine

medjai:

We keep talking about Messi's performance for Argentina, what of Ronaldo's for Portugal?
Ronaldo's goal against N. Korea at the world cup was his first goal in 18 months for Portugal.

montelik:

^^ Add to that he helped Portugal to d finals of Euro 2004 and d semifinals of WC in Germany 06. Made into team of tournament at both competitions. Abeg pple shouldn't try too hard to knock his achievements with his national side.

coogar:

you are a pathological liar. feb 2009-june 2010 is 18 months? did you even factor his injury that season in your pathetic claim?

cristiano has 26 goals in 80 apps for portugal(33% strike rate)
messi has 16 goals in 55 apps for argentina.(29% strike rate)

enough said!

medjai:

And Messi didn't help Argentina to the finals of Copa America in 2007 and Q/finals of the 2006 and 2010 world cup?18 months, 16 months, whatever.

medjai:

And Messi didn't help Argentina to the finals of Copa America in 2007 and Q/finals of the 2006 and 2010 world cup?18 months, 16 months, whatever.

medjai:

And Messi didn't help Argentina to the finals of Copa America in 2007 and Q/finals of the 2006 and 2010 world cup?

“I prefer team titles to individual awards, but I can’t hide the fact that being so close to getting the Pichichi, I would really have liked to win it. Congratulations to Cristiano though, who has scored a lot of goals in the last few games.”

coogar:

ronaldo has a better strike rate than messi in international games. ronaldo has outscored messi in la liga this season and he has had a better strike rate than messi for the past 2 seasons in la liga. those are the facts.

coogar:

no one should ever dare putting messi on par with the likes of pelé, cruyff, beckenbauer, platini, maradona and zidane. when it comes to carry a team almost alone on his shoulders and make it play better, messi is light years behind the players i have named.
i don't think i've ever seen such a big case of jekyll and hyde when looking at the difference of performances for his club vs. his performances on the national team.

another average performance from messi. he's nothing without xavi and ineista. maradona make teams better. he doesn't need a team to make him better.

messi is the best player ever my right foot!

dayokanu:

Then you can also scratch Pele out of it as he played in a largely star studded team.

Moreover this thread is about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi

coogar:

pele won a world cup for brazil @ 17! that brazilian team had no stars and pele was the star of the team. messi for argentina is utterly useless. without xavi and iniesta, leo messi is very ordinary. i watched as he laboured for 90 mins without producing anything of note. the late freekick he had to change the game was kicked to row-z.

cristiano can play in every team. he tries to carry the team, he commands, he helps, he scores, he passes, he does the freekicks. he does not need a system, or playing time with the team. he is just outstanding, good in every team but not as good as messi at barca(which i am now convinced is due to xavi and iniesta).

messi needs a total system. every step planned, like a swiss-clockwork. if he finds all this, he is the best player in the world. there is only one hook, he can only play for barcelona and maintain that scary dominance on the pitch

if any of the big clubs were to buy messi, he will suck. however, ronaldo would go to any league and own the field again.
and this is why many would prefer ronaldo any time over leo messi. technically, you need to have the time to build a hardcore system over years and years, which is obviously not going to happen before messi can flourish.

messi has played full 180 mins against hapless teams and he was shyte throughout. putting a performance worse than oshea would cop against a big team and people say he's the best player to have ever played the game. . . .big fallacy. go and watch cryuff, beckenbauer, fat ronaldo, zidane, maradona, etc and see how they inspire team-mates(country/club)

coogar:

pele won a world cup for brazil @ 17! that brazilian team had no stars and pele was the star of the team. messi for argentina is utterly useless. without xavi and iniesta, leo messi is very ordinary. i watched as he laboured for 90 mins without producing anything of note. the late freekick he had to change the game was kicked to row-z.

cristiano can play in every team. he tries to carry the team, he commands, he helps, he scores, he passes, he does the freekicks. he does not need a system, or playing time with the team. he is just outstanding, good in every team but not as good as messi at barca(which i am now convinced is due to xavi and iniesta).

messi needs a total system. every step planned, like a swiss-clockwork. if he finds all this, he is the best player in the world. there is only one hook, he can only play for barcelona and maintain that scary dominance on the pitch

if any of the big clubs were to buy messi, he will suck. however, ronaldo would go to any league and own the field again.
and this is why many would prefer ronaldo any time over leo messi. technically, you need to have the time to build a hardcore system over years and years, which is obviously not going to happen before messi can flourish.

messi has played full 180 mins against hapless teams and he was shyte throughout. putting a performance worse than oshea would cop against a big team and people say he's the best player to have ever played the game. . . .big fallacy. go and watch cryuff, beckenbauer, fat ronaldo, zidane, maradona, etc and see how they inspire team-mates(country/club)

dayokanu:

1958 Brazil had Didi, Vava, Garricha and Djamal Santos.

Garrincha alone was more important to that team and according to world cup folklore, Only Maradona and Garrincha can be said to have won the world cup "Singlehandedly"

Now to Cristiano Ronaldo,
Tell me what Cristiano Ronaldo Produced in the World cup playing CIV, North Korea kind of teams?

True you can say Ronaldo does everything Freekick headers etc but the only thing Messi does, he does it better,

Ronaldo Lima isnt good at freekicks neither is he good at headers yet he is centuries better than Strikers like Shearer, Bierhoff and batistuta who are "More rounded"

One month before the 1958 World Cup finals started, Garrincha scored one of his most famous goals, in Italy versus Fiorentina when he beat 4 defenders and the goalkeeper, and then when faced with an open goal, rather than scoring, he waited for another defender to get back and dribbled past him before scoring. Despite his stunning performance his coaches were upset at what they considered an irresponsible move and this likely led to Garrincha not being picked for Brazil's first two matches of the 1958 tournament. However he did start their third match against the USSR; this match marked the debut of both Garrincha and Pelé. The Soviets were one of the favourites for the tournament, and the Brazilians had been nervous about playing them.[4] Their manager, Vicente Feola, decided to attack directly from the kick off. Garrincha received the ball on the right wing, beat three opposing players and took a shot which hit the post. With the match still less than a minute old, he set up a chance for Pelé, who hit the crossbar,[4] and continually caused problems for the Soviet defence. Brazil won the match 2–0.
Following the Brazilians' narrow 1–0 quarter-final win against Wales on June 19, 1958, Mel Hopkins (the full back who faced him that game) described Garrincha as "a phenomenon, capable of sheer magic. It was difficult to know which way he was going to go because of his legs and because he was as comfortable on his left foot as his right, so he could cut inside or go down the line and he had a ferocious shot too."[5]

In the final against Sweden, Brazil fell behind 0–1 early, but rapidly equalized after Garrincha surpassed his marker on the right wing and sent a cross for Vavá to score. Before the end of the first half, Garrincha made a similar play, again setting up Vavá to make the score 2–1. Brazil ended winning the match and its first World Cup trophy, with Garrincha being one of the best players of the tournament; he was voted to the "Best XI" for the competition.

that's the argument. argentina are a far better team than portugal and yet the bestest player in the world(messi) is producing rubbish for them. this same argentina have di maria, tevez, milito, aguero, mascherano, etc and they got destroyed in the world cup and were taken apart by columbia last night.

ronaldo lima in his prime is better than any striker in the history of association football. . . . .what makes you think he's not better at headers than shearer, bierhoff and batistuta? because brazil does not play with natural wingers who cross the ball into the box like england and germany now mean ronaldo lima is not good at it? is there anything ronaldo lima isn't good at? i don't buy that argument. . . . .

coogar:

no one should ever dare putting messi on par with the likes of pelé, cruyff, beckenbauer, platini, maradona and zidane. when it comes to carry a team almost alone on his shoulders and make it play better, messi is light years behind the players i have named.

i don't think i've ever seen such a big case of jekyll and hyde when looking at the difference of performances for his club vs. his performances on the national team.

another average performance from messi. he's nothing without xavi and ineista. maradona make teams better. he doesn't need a team to make him better.

messi is the best player ever my right foot!

dayokanu:

Thats Garricha as described in the 1958 World cup

Portugal has Pepe, Carvalho, Nani, Coentrao These are top rated players in European football So whats Ronaldos excuse for wack performance

Didnt we watch Ronaldo, alongside Batistuta, Shearer and Bierhoff? Its obvious to everyone that Ronaldos aerial game is very average.

Take a Ronaldo vs Rivaldo situation

Rivaldo is better with headers, better with freekicks, Better with long range shots, But the little things Ronaldo does , He does it much better that it outweighs the here and there skills Rivaldo has

Alaba_Slim:

'm a UNITED FAN
@coogar no disrespect ooo don't cm here & tel mi dat Maradona doesn't nid a Team 2 play beta.
tel mi is Maradona a GOLF or TENNIS PLAYA were u play alone?
Its a known FACT dat No futbol Playa on Planet earth eva succeded witout d help of his Team mates,@least a playa wit pass d ball 2 u or cook d Food veri wel 4 u.
i agree messi can't b compared 2 cruff & d rest BUT he is BETA dan ronaldo eniday enitym

coogar:

and yet it was pele that scored 6 goals in that world cup at a tender age of 17. . . .the only goal against wales in the quarter-final, hatirck against france in the semis and a brace against sweden in the final. 6 goals in 3 important matches of a world cup and he was only 17.

Pele finished the tournament with six goals in four matches played, tied for second place, behind record-breaker Just Fontaine, and was named young player of the tournament.
It was in the 1958 World Cup that Pelé began using a number 10 t-shirt that immortalized him. Recently it is known that the event was the result of disorganization: the leaders didn't send the shirt numbers of players and it was up to FIFA to choose the number 10 shirt to Pele, who was a substitute on the occasion. The press of the time cataloged Pelé as the greatest revelation of the 1958 Cup.

i would have taken your list serious if 3 of the players listed are not defenders.

tell me a situation where a delightful cross was put in the box and ronaldo miscued his chance. just one incident in about 100 games ronaldo played for brazil. the truth is brazil don't play like england, argentina or germany. they pass the ball around and they don't do the cross from the flanks looking for someone to head into the net.

which of the ronaldos are we discussing here? lima or cristiano?

dayokanu:

The fact of the matter is Pele played in a star studded team, Vava, Didi, Garrncha and Mario Zagallo played alongside Pele in 1958 That is an all star team, pele has never carried a whole team on his shoulder.

Thats why its said that only GARRINCHA AND MARADONA have singlehandedly won a World cup, Not Pele

Which shows they have a very balanced team 3 World class Defenders, a World class midfielder in Nani Should be enough to do anything for Portugal.

France 1998 final Ronaldo was detailed to mark Zidane in corners and we knew how that match up ended.

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