Gombs: Bidam...I see you o

Where have thou been?

Gombs:

The sword were for suya... or they must have borrowed it to cut grasses and wanted to return it the owners!

One thing is sure: sooner or later, young people like Gombs will learn the truth. But because they have so castigated it, it will be difficult for them to return to it.

Caught in a fit of disappointment and confusion, many of these young people turn to atheism. Are we not all surprised at the rising number of atheists in Nigeria? A thread was opened the other day where the OP, an atheist, was asking how others were "converted" to atheism. The few comments I read all said they became atheists as they reacted negatively to their disillusion to church doctrines and practices.

That is the biggest tragedy Chris Oyakhilome and other are producing among our young people. Lies don't last. Sooner or later everything comes to the open. But what happens to the meek minds that have believed these lies all these days? Atheism.

My offer still remains to all Christ Embassy people, when you learn the truth by yourself, in the quietness if your room and heart, and begin to see questions that cannot be answered, pls do not turn to atheism. Send me or any of the others that have maintained truth on this forum a PM. We will attend to you. We will minister to you. We promise to keep it private and God will help us all.

Yooguyz: @Bidam, welcome back loooong time.

Bidam: Bro..many hailings, don't mind me jare. I decided to be silent for a while and just sneak in and laff at some posts here.Hope you are good man?

Bidam: My apostle, i dey hail o. I saw your great teachings at the convention and i learnt alot. Thanks a zillion sir!

Yooguyz: @Gombs, I like your gifs, how do you get them?

Joagbaje:

Sin can make people lose a miracle. And there are other reasons. But still least for several months ,they were free of the excruciating pain and symptoms. If out of the thousands who got healed some had attacked of the disease. Why blame the church. What of the thousands that didn't loose their healing.

I prayed for a man with ebbola in Arusha Tanzania , he got healed since August 4th , he is still healed. Every symptom stopped.

I prayed for a young man with HIV over a year ago he got healed. He went for test in 3 hospitals , his status changed to negative. He has added weight . He is still healed . Watch the video here
HIV HEALED. https://www.dropbox.com/l/zm7qzQm89ZWxuyrDrva8kp

Gombs:

Online, Heheheheheh
Like reactiongifs.com or photobucket.com

They became necessary to communicate my facial expression when I read some posts here!

shdemidemi:

Oniro buruku...
All these your "I prayed, I prayed" matter that you dwell on, only God can deliver you from the lies you tell yourself. Your heart is so stirred that you now believe your own lies.

If God heals, He heals completely regardless of the lie you tell the day or the year after. His mercy isn't dependent on how good or bad I am. If an ordinary mortal father wouldn't treat his child as such, how much more God.

Quit the lies...

Gombs:

Meet One of those who has maintained the truth on this forum... sarcastic right?

shdemidemi:

Good to hear from you again chris' muppet.. How is mrs Gombs, I hope she isn't residing in Togo?

On a lighter note, I just saw an actor who deserves an award for his role and performance in a fictitious drama.

Passion!!! Tears!!! Testimony!!! Yeeeee! Demons spoke, they flee.... Can't put all in words.

Cast -joagbaje and others

go grab your copy NOWWWWWWW...

https://www.dropbox.com/l/zm7qzQm89ZWxuyrDrva8kp

mbaemeka:

Expect a robust reply from me on my observations from SirJohn's account.

mbaemeka:

I can show you 1001 contradictions in the super-story of SirJohn but it will not convince you because you are blinded to truth.

mbaemeka: Trustman,
Drum rolls! The inducement begins with the first line ^^ to make his account seem believable
Here he is employing the same tactics that he is accusing CEC of by trying to appear believable. Interestingly he adds that a large number of pastors and partners are being hoodwinked. Only SirJohn was wise enough to spot the ploy even if he went there to get an invalid healed. *nods*
All through May he says he was at the Healing school. Which means by the 19th he should have already spent either or close to 2 weeks and has already made most if not all of his observations yet he made this post when Pastor Chris was accused of paying people money to act healed:
If this were true, you should have atleast some of your experiences where you applied his teachings and saw results. How many sick people did you heal? How many miraculous things happened since 2004- nearly 4 years later? Why did you continue believing the teachings (that you followed to the letter) without seeing results?
Why didn't you try to minister to the person yourself?
I expected these "several" folks to come out and report the charade that they were experiencing. I would have done so. In fact, I would have caused a scene like Bartimeaus.
O they could walk? So why were they at the HS to begin with?
If they had no signs of pain or disability, what were they doing at the HS? And they were several of them. Hmmm. Your memory must be very good to have kept track of all of them while your invalid was waiting to be healed. Commendable discovery.
I understand. The Pastors and partners were being deceived bare-faced and you, who went there to get an invalid healed, had seen beyond all the hullabaloo.
Wow, it's a miracle. The man exercised his faith and began to walk after 2 days? He should have gone home. Why did he stay? And you were observing him from day 1 till day 14 (even as you observed all the people in the HS)? Wow. I won't have had time to observe people like this, given that I went there to get someone else healed.
I don't know why the man stayed 13 days after he started exercising his faith. Besides, did Pastor Chris know that the man had been previously moving around without the neck guard and crutches?
Interesting. Earlier you said
Now you observed that 1 of the ladies that acted healed by standing and walking quietly sat back in her wheelchair with a pale look on her face. Why did she have a pale look on her face if she could already walk and stand? She should have been walking and acting very normal. That would have been a better deception, don't you think?
In conclusion, I can say without a doubt that you are a journalist or maybe a very good writer with imaginative predispositions. You were not a member of CEC (at least not in Spirit) and you did not go there with any invalid.
You went there to prove that what you had suspected about the HS was true, so you spent a large part of your May 2008 observing what you were seeing there and thinking of creative ways to re-tell it. The account you gave us lasted for 2 weeks but you said you spent 4 weeks there. Why didn't you leave after the first session (2 weeks)? That would have been the breaking point for me. After noticing that the place was a charade I won't have bothered waiting for the next session if I really went there to get someone healed. The only thing that would have kept me for the extra 2 weeks is if I was on an assignment.
I see no reason why a HAVEN secretary who had been in the ministry for 4 years (coughs) and has attended a handful of conferences won't have seen people in the audience that got healed without Pastor Chris laying hands on them and many of them don't ever end up testifying. I struggle to understand who your branch Pastor was that you never saw anyone get healed in the programmes he would have organized. I don't know why you didn't take your own advice by talking to the people who "acted" healed and investigated them? Why didn't you check if they were being paid to act?
I believe between May and November when you made your post, something happened to you and I doubt it had anything to do with your experience in the HS. I don't know your grouse with Pastor Chris but I think that it is personal and has veered off into the situation where you always wake up when his name is mentioned (you came on the "lost" threads that talked about his trip to India and the auditorium he built in AAU) amongst other things.
I know many people and I have heard testimonies of many others who visited the HS and came back healed. All of them are still hale and hearty. So I leave you to the observers as you can never convince anyone who applies the name of Jesus to situations and sicknesses and has seen results (sometimes instant) that 1) healings are fake or placebo-effect elicited 2) that Pastor Chris who we see use the name of Jesus for the same situations is faking it.
He can deceive people for some time certainly (if he was faking it). But not for how many years now- to the point that he has even started another one in Canada despite all the allegations and "scandals". Besides, what does he stand to gain? He doesn't charge a fee and contrary to your assertions that they "force" people to become partners that was not my experience so I don't know what to make of yours, except to conclude that it is not true.
I rest my case.

mbaemeka: The easiest thing for anyone to do is to switch sides when a more superior argument trounces yours. The more superior argument doesn't even need to be the truth- just a few facts here and there presented in a more logical or deceptive way and one can make a new convert.

When another argument, more superior to the one that had earlier convinced you comes, immediately you switch sides again and this will be the case as long as one is swayed by the interpretation of facts or truths as the case maybe. That's why you have people like Frosbel who has so strayed to the point that he is now a proponent of Neo-agnostism.

What is the solution? Preach what you believe and demonstrate that it works (I will place a period here). It was Moses' approach, Elijah's, Jesus' and even Paul's.

Paul was a theologian per excellence, but he knew that wranglings with words, strife, exchange of banter etc. Wasn't going to make much difference so he backed up what he taught with the proofs that it worked.

This is pertinent because Christianity would have been like any other dead religion if it was devoid of the power. It would have been a mere case of "serve your God the way you want and I will serve my God the way I want". It is the reason for different religions springing up at almost every nuke and cranny of the world and why some have become atheists- because there is a paucity of proof that anything anybody believes in is real.

Paul said in Hebrews, that it is impossible for anyone who was once enlightened; tasted of the Power from on High; shared in the Holy Spirit; tasted the goodness of the word of God and the Powers of the coming age, if they fall away to be brought back to repentance. That's how convincing the demonstration is and Paul knows it..

So atheists and the likes will be offshoots and found in the midst of those who talk about godliness but excuse the power. The one's who disparage the gifts of tongues or the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. The one's who talk, talk. . . and talk more. And the reason is clear:

(goodnews + power = Christianity) while (any news - power= religion/Agnostism ~ Atheism)

Joagbaje:

Sin can make people lose a miracle. And there are other reasons. But still least for several months ,they were free of the excruciating pain and symptoms. If out of the thousands who got healed some had attacked of the disease. Why blame the church. What of the thousands that didn't loose their healing.

I prayed for a man with ebbola in Arusha Tanzania , he got healed since August 4th , he is still healed. Every symptom stopped.

I prayed for a young man with HIV over a year ago he got healed. He went for test in 3 hospitals , his status changed to negative. He has added weight . He is still healed . Watch the video here
HIV HEALED. https://www.dropbox.com/l/zm7qzQm89ZWxuyrDrva8kp

SirJohn:




So after all you said above, this was the best you could come up with... I'll respond to it shortly

mbaemeka: The easiest thing for anyone to do is to switch sides when a more superior argument trounces yours. The more superior argument doesn't even need to be the truth- just a few facts here and there presented in a more logical or deceptive way and one can make a new convert.

When another argument, more superior to the one that had earlier convinced you comes, immediately you switch sides again and this will be the case as long as one is swayed by the interpretation of facts or truths as the case maybe. That's why you have people like Frosbel who has so strayed to the point that he is now a proponent of Neo-agnostism.

mbaemeka:
What is the solution? Preach what you believe and demonstrate that it works (I will place a period here). It was Moses' approach, Elijah's, Jesus' and even Paul's.

mbaemeka:
Paul was a theologian per excellence, but he knew that wranglings with words, strife, exchange of banter etc. Wasn't going to make much difference so he backed up what he taught with the proofs that it worked.

mbaemeka:
This is pertinent because Christianity would have been like any other dead religion if it was devoid of the power. It would have been a mere case of "serve your God the way you want and I will serve my God the way I want". It is the reason for different religions springing up at almost every nuke and cranny of the world and why some have become atheists- because there is a paucity of proof that anything anybody believes in is real.

mbaemeka:
So atheists and the likes will be offshoots and found in the midst of those who talk about godliness but excuse the power. The one's who disparage the gifts of tongues or the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. The one's who talk, talk. . . and talk more. And the reason is clear:

(goodnews + power = Christianity) while (any news - power= religion/Agnostism ~ Atheism)

jared007: My concluding remark 4 dis post is dat pastorkun, and co demonic attacks on CEC has helped in even strengthening our unity just like Boko haram is giving Nigerians a sense of unity. END!

mbaemeka:
The easiest thing for anyone to do is to switch sides when a more superior argument trounces yours. The more superior argument doesn't even need to be the truth- just a few facts here and there presented in a more logical or deceptive way and one can make a new convert. When another argument, more superior to the one that had earlier convinced you comes, immediately you switch sides again and this will be the case as long as one is swayed by the interpretation of facts or truths as the case maybe.

mbaemeka:
That's why you have people like Frosbel who has so strayed to the point that he is now a proponent of Neo-agnostism.

mbaemeka:
What is the solution? Preach what you believe and demonstrate that it works (I will place a period here). It was Moses' approach, Elijah's, Jesus' and even Paul's.

Paul was a theologian per excellence, but he knew that wranglings with words, strife, exchange of banter etc. Wasn't going to make much difference so he backed up what he taught with the proofs that it worked.

This is pertinent because Christianity would have been like any other dead religion if it was devoid of the power. It would have been a mere case of "serve your God the way you want and I will serve my God the way I want". It is the reason for different religions springing up at almost every nuke and cranny of the world and why some have become atheists- because there is a paucity of proof that anything anybody believes in is real.

mbaemeka:
Paul said in Hebrews, that it is impossible for anyone who was once enlightened; tasted of the Power from on High; shared in the Holy Spirit; tasted the goodness of the word of God and the Powers of the coming age, if they fall away to be brought back to repentance. That's how convincing the demonstration is and Paul knows it..

mbaemeka:
So atheists and the likes will be offshoots and found in the midst of those who talk about godliness but excuse the power. The one's who disparage the gifts of tongues or the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. The one's who talk, talk. . . and talk more. And the reason is clear:

(goodnews + power = Christianity) while (any news - power= religion/Agnostism ~ Atheism)

shdemidemi:

I agree


I hope you understand that your so called approach ended with Paul- there were other soldiers of the gospel even after Paul, no wonder was recorded in their gathering. Could it be that Titus, Timothy, Philemon, onephorus et al did not have challenges?



Did Paul keep these power to wrought miracles for all of his life, considering he lived most of the tail end of his life in confinement not knowing when he will be killed?



Romans 1:16

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation

Bro, what exactly is the power of God in this verse?

Is it miracle? Is it signs and wonders that you love to call a proof?

The gospel of Christ i.e the story of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus is the power of God, nothing else.





The goodnews is the power of God my brother.

Topgainer:
Many of the people who devoted their time, energy and money in marketing the Ministry thinking it was impeccable end up disbelieving the existence of God when they realized that they have been hypnotized and that most of his teachings are not biblical or emanating from the holy spirit

Gombs:

Is it that you don’t know the difference between Power-Dunamis and Power- Exousia? The power mba must have been talking about is exousia as used in Matthew 28:18 not Dunamis as in Romans 1: 16

As for te coloured, what Power was Jesus referring to in Matthew 28:18? His own death, burial and resurrection?

Gombs: Amazing testimony


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyRuTdNxvto