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|The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 6:53am On Nov 10, 2008|
Many have wondered and would like to know the truth about healing and miracle claims from the healing school of Christ Embassy. I’d like say a few things about the genuineness of these miracles which have sparked endless questions. What I’m about to say may sound shocking to you but it is the truth. it is a first hand account of my experience at the healing school.
What you see on loveworld videos/TV, especially miracle testimonies no matter how believable they appear, are simply what Pastor Chris and his TV crew wants you to see. The truth is that a larger number of people including his pastors, partners and even you hardly ever know what goes on behind the camera scenes.
I was at healing school May 2008 session and the discoveries I made blew my mind and shook the very foundation of my faith. I spent a total of 4 weeks at the healing (it had two sessions and each ran for two weeks) this period of time at the healing school afforded me the opportunity to observe certain unusual happenings which I must reveal.
I have been a member and a consistent financial partner of the ministry since 2004. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome had been my role model, mentor, prophet and father. I have followed his teachings and doctrines to the letter so much that you couldn't talk with me for 10 Min's without knowing I was his follower.
I had taken someone who was wheelchair bound as a result of spinal cord injury to the Healing school with hope that Pastor Chris would minister to him at the end of the session (at least this is what I was made to believe from several healing school publications) but this was not to be, and the events that followed were shocking and beyond my imagination.
After the first session, there was to be a healing service where the students having received faith to be healed, were put on the healing line to be ministered to by Pastor Chris. This was where my questions started. The reason is that not only did we not make it to the healing line but several other folks with obvious physical disabilities were also not put on the healing line. I made efforts to find out the criteria for the selection that was made; this was what I found out:
I discovered that all wheelchair cases taken to the healing line for ministration were people whose conditions were not such that they couldn't stand or walk. in other words, the people you see popping out of wheelchairs in those videos can both previously stand and walk. They are carefully selected through a process I will discuss later.
Secondly, to my utter amazement, I also discovered that several other people whom I had seen on different occasions walking around the hall unaided and without any sign of pain or disability during the two weeks session were put on wheelchairs or made to lie on stretchers during this healing service.
After much waiting, the “Man of God” walks in touching every one on the healing line and then proceeds to the wheelchair section; with one touch here and there he instructs them to get up “and they do” wild shouts of excitement reverberated across the auditorium as partners and pastors who have been specially invited to witness the miracles jumped for joy. I felt like sinking through the solid ground, I couldn’t believe my eyes. Once in a while I would utter a word of prayer, I’d say: “Lord please don’t let this be what I think”
I remember a particular man who came for that session; he had been involved in a motor accident which left him with a spinal injury. He had difficulty walking normally because he couldn’t bend both knees while walking (I had seen him walking) he came with a neck guard and two crutches to support himself properly while walking. I observed that two days after coming to the healing school, he started exercising his faith by moving around without the neck guard and crutches, that was how he moved around for two weeks. During the healing service, I was shocked to see the same man with his neck guard and crutches which he hadn't used for two weeks. Pastor Chris prayed for him and took the neck guard off as though it was a big deal, the congregation applauded and stood to their feet as he went on to take the crutches from the man; he then asked the man to walk. The man obviously walked but not any better than he had walked for two weeks without Pastor Chris praying for him.
After the service, as the partners left the hall, the students and the “healed” were asked to wait behind. I observed that one of the two ladies who got out of the wheelchair half an hour ago quietly sat back in her wheelchair with a pale look on her face, the people who brought her all the way from Benin didn't seem like they had seen a miracle; this puzzled me more. The borrowed wheelchairs were returned to the real owners as I looked with great surprise.
Please see the link below:
the lady in page 14 (in blue jacket) is the one I'm refering to in the last paragraph. She could both stand and walk before the ministration by Pastor Chris.
The young man in page 15 is reported to have been "unable to walk without a walking frame" yet I had seen him on many ocassions before the healing service walk around without that frame.
The woman in page 16 did not even come to the healing school with a wheelchair; the wheelchair you see does not belong to her
To be continued…
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by ow11(m): 11:49am On Nov 10, 2008|
You are stirring another hornet's nest with this one. Are you prepared for the barrage of insults and death threats ( physical and spiritual ) his followers would spew on this thread in the coming days?
We've just finished a course on Holy businessmen and Pst. Chris was identified as a businessman on that thread. The authenticity and motive of the OP was questioned heavily by people (esp. followers of the said 'holy businessmen'). Therefore, I would suggest you produce more stories backing your claim because your expose would not be viable if you do not bring tangible proofs to show that this man is phoney or surrounds himself with sychophants.
One more thing, It is well known that people have died after attending the healing school and refusing to take medication (trying to prove their faith) but people too have claimed to be healed after attending the school. So are all the healings fake? or just from people who want to believe they are healed?
waiting for more stories . . . .
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Gaminechic: 7:31pm On Nov 10, 2008|
This is good
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Nimshi: 7:58pm On Nov 10, 2008|
SirJohn: not to interrupt your story. But 'm curious about this part:
. . . I observed that one of the two ladies who got out of the wheelchair half an hour ago quietly sat back in her wheelchair with a pale look on her face, the people who brought her all the way from Benin didn't seem like they had seen a miracle; this puzzled me more.
And, there's been allegations about Pastor Oyakhilome's healings this year: http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=740954
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 8:17pm On Nov 10, 2008|
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by A_K_O(m): 8:24pm On Nov 10, 2008|
You're not serious.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Okija_juju(m): 8:44pm On Nov 10, 2008|
who is donnie??
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Chrisbenogor(m): 7:28am On Nov 11, 2008|
Pastor Chris was merry old artist and a merry old artist was he!
He healed the sick and raised the dead and made the blind men see!
Now every blind man was a very good actor and a very good actor was he!
There's none so fair as can compare to Pastor Chris!
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by bobokanis(m): 8:46am On Nov 11, 2008|
I have another version of this healing school.
I have a clse friend who had spent hundreds of thousand of naira on his one ear old daughter who was had kidney problem at the National hospital Abuja.
After months of unending spendings with no improvement at the hospital, he decided to try the healing school of Christ Embassy.
At the healing school after a couple of weeks, the girl was ministered to by Pastor Chris and surprisingly she was healed.
This girl will be 3 yrs old soonest hale, strong and vibrant.
So what do you think about that?
This is not a story, I am a living witness.
You are right to some extent but you are somehow ignorant that your interpretation of faith is based on your feelings rather than what the Word of God teaches.
You are entitled to your opinion but all I know is that your motive for going to the healing school was basically wrong "so Pastor Chris could touch your sick folk!". Does he have to before healing comes?
Finally, if Pastor Chris is trully your role model, father and all those things you called him, I doubt you strongly if he is all these to you. You are definitely one of those who proclaim to be a member of BLW but is actually "completing the square".
To be continued
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by detruth: 2:05pm On Nov 11, 2008|
Hhhhh Is there still faith?
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 3:06pm On Nov 11, 2008|
Your reply to my story is no surprise at all. you have not only responded like a typical CE member but you have failed to react to the main issue. I'm glad you mentioned in your reply that I'm right to some extent, you also did not refute the wheelchair and stretcher scam so I guess you accept that I am right. My intention by the time I'm through with this topic is to reveal the whole truth.
How do you explain the fact that someone well able to stand and walk is placed in a wheelchair or stretcher some of which does not even belong to them; and then the 'man of God' is made to look like an anointed faith healer which he is not by getting them to stand on their feet and walk. What has my feelings got to do with this, please tell me.
No matter what the intention might be, the bottom line still remains that millions of people watching these phoney miracles end up thinking that these people were either crippled or bedridden which is completely false. I don't know if you visited the link I attached to my earlier post; I was with those folks for two weeks and I even spoke with one of the three. some of the reports about them are either completely false or exaggerated.
Speaking about your friends daughter, I do not deny the fact that people may experience changes in their physical conditions during or after visiting the healing school; it is probably the same reasons for which people get 'healed' after visiting the shrine of 'Our lady of Lourdes' in france. I intend to discuss healings in my next post, I'm sure it will clear up some things here.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by wirinet(m): 3:22pm On Nov 11, 2008|
Your story sound very false to me even though you said you were a first hand withness.
What did your friend spend hundreds of thousand of Naira on? a kidney transplant? What kinds of drugs do u give a one yr old with a Kidney problem? Was it the one year old's christian faith that healed him or her? Was the kid born with the kidney problem if so the child would be highly underdeveloped at one year. Please doctors on Nairaland help us out with this one.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Ilelobola: 6:43pm On Nov 11, 2008|
Don't know about CE miracles but in response to the last post. I had kidney problems as a child, not all kidney issues require a transplant. Some only require medication which can be quite expensive.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by hubreality(m): 4:36am On Nov 12, 2008|
I've few questions for the poster; Were you sick? Or what took you to the healing school? Or what happened to the sick folk you took to the healing school during and after his/her stay there? Can you provide sincere evidence of who or where the wheelchairs were rented or borrowed from?
I've carefully read your beautiful lies, you see, it's not news reading similar beautiful lies. It's also important to take note that Faith is only required for the healing of the sick not Pastor Chris, he just ministers the anointing of God's Spirit and the faith of the sick will make him/her whole/healed. Inserting that link of sick folks with ur claims doesn't prove or make you right, this is internet. By the time we examine ur case and claims in Spirit and in Truth not the play of self, religion and their associated politics, we will find out how true or false u're! Stay tuned!
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by shotster50(m): 7:16am On Nov 12, 2008|
I dont know why but I have always had this reservation where Chris Oyahkilome an co are concerned, as if theres something sinister lurking in their shadows.+
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by shinystar(m): 11:19am On Nov 12, 2008|
The fact is Pastor Chris is fake. That is nothing more convincing.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Tonye-t(m): 3:26pm On Nov 12, 2008|
MAKE UNA LEAVE AM ALONE NA! CHEI NA WA O, EVERYBODY NA PST.CHRIS ! PST CHRIS,
THE MAN SEF NO DE EVEN ANSWER UNA BACK, PLS BE CAREFUL,
what about the blind man in the bible, even Jesus himself prayed for the man, rub mud for him eyes, yet the man no see well the 1st time, then Jesus spit for mud the 2nd time come tell am to go wash him face for water b4 him begin see, wetin una go talk about that one, again dem even call Jesus , Belzebub meaning PRINCE OF DEMONS yet the innocent man jus coninue dey do him own thing
i am not his member o, and i can never be his member, but plsssss let him be
bible said on the last day, every man work will be revealed for judgement, including Pst chris, Bishop oyedepo, pst Adeboye and every good, great and mighty men of God
WARNING: @poster, my advice is do not depend on any pastor as a mentor, father, and bla bla bla, bible said :-"LOOK UNTO JESUS, . ."not pastor so & so
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by mazaje(m): 6:05pm On Nov 12, 2008|
i smell delusion. . . . .
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by huxley(m): 6:29pm On Nov 12, 2008|
Those so-called educated adults who get fleeced in this way by this clerical conman deserve it abundantly for being so gullible. I only feel sorry for the infants and not-so-educated who have not got the means to know better.
It is the "educated" gullible Christians who give fraudsters like Pastor Chris legitimacy and the rest of the community looks up to the choices they have made and emulate them.
So if you count yourself educated and wise and you feel let-down and exploited by Pastor Chris, you deserve it handsomely.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pastor AIO: 7:06pm On Nov 12, 2008|
Very nice rhymes, but the last line is out of rhythm. It needs two more syllables. How about:
Pastor Chris was merry old artist and a merry old artist was he!
He healed the sick and raised the dead and made the blind men see!
Now every blind man was a very good actor and a very good actor was he!
There's none so fair as can compare to Good Ol' Pastor Chris!
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 9:33pm On Nov 12, 2008|
Hi hubreality, (see attached)
Please note the difference in the two wheelchairs in this picture excerpt from the CE Healing School website. The one used during the interview recording is different from the one used during the healing service. Note also that both pictures were taken the same day (same clothes).
Now how does all this add up
I wasn't in this particular session which was obviously held in the Healing School in Randburg SA, but having experienced two full sessions back here in Lagos, it wasn't difficult for me to figure this out.
I can say with a great deal of confidence that the lady didn't come to the Healing School with a wheelchair. This sort of thing happened repeatedly in the sessions I witnessed.
Interview video recording is done for every student usually within the first few days of the session, a re-recording is done hours before the healing service (D Day) only for specially selected people (I promised discussing the selection process). These are the ones they hope publish in magazines and web. The re-recording is done to dot the T's and cross the I's. During this final recording, the camera crew employ various tactics to get exactly what the 'man of God' wants.
The camera crew assisted by a pastor or a senior Healing school staff decided who goes on stretcher or a wheelchair. If no wheelchair was available, they quickly ran to the main hall to get one from any student who wasn't presently occupying theirs (my friends wheelchair was used for this purpose severally).
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 9:37pm On Nov 12, 2008|
Sir John, i quite agree with you . . .
Note the case of Tebogo in the word file from your last post. For a woman who has not walked since she was a child, she surprisingly seems to possess strong leg muscles. Disuse of muscles usually shld cause muscle wasting . . .
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by mazaje(m): 9:56pm On Nov 12, 2008|
you don't believe that it is possible for a person to walk strongly and comfortably after a long period of time due to lack of use of the person's leg muscles but you believe that Jonah survived in the belly of a whale for 3 days. . . . . , ohh i also forgot that you believe that snakes eat dust and that stars will fall from the sky into the earth when jesus comes. . . . . .
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by A_K_O(m): 10:24pm On Nov 12, 2008|
Hey, I'm just curious. . . . those of you who are medical experts, please how does
a brain tumor affect the ability to walk?
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 10:47pm On Nov 12, 2008|
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 11:22pm On Nov 12, 2008|
Depending on where the tumor is sighted. It can affect motor coordination. Muscles that are required to walk need to be innervated by impulses from the brain.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 11:24pm On Nov 12, 2008|
You got me totally wrong because u're too desperate to quickly poke holes without engaging your grey matter.
I believe in miracles . . . my question was this - if indeed the person was disabled from childhood, why do we not see any evidence of muscle wasting on her legs from disuse? It is more wondering if indeed the individual claiming to be "healed" was even disabled at all and not unbelief in healing per say.
When will you learn to think before posting?
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Tonye-t(m): 9:19am On Nov 13, 2008|
please you better use a perfume else it will keep smelling. . . lol. . .SO WHAT ARE WE GAINING FROM ATTACKING THE MOG THAT WAY. . . "remove the log on your eyes before pointing at the speck on anothers" . . . period
if you dont believe in miracles, then its okay, but dont go about smeaking others
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by huxley(m): 9:38am On Nov 13, 2008|
I thougt god walks in mysterious ways.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Tonye-t(m): 10:29am On Nov 13, 2008|
sure HE still does. . .believe it!
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by oloriooko(m): 10:48am On Nov 13, 2008|
I have a word for you.
e be like say you get yawa with the man of God and you be fake reporter.
if you tink say the man own na fake, go start ya own make we see.
If wetin the man dey do na fake, then I like am cos everybody dey talk about the man!
O boy wake up ,try something else, stop attacking what you do not know about.
I have never met the man one on one but the guy is hot men! I think I like him just like other men of God.
Sir john or wetin you call yaself, I beg find something else talk.
If ya person no heal, no blame am for the man head i beg, him be God? Only God sabi wetin ya person do for life wey heal he no fit heal! Tell ya person make him confess him sins oooo.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by A_K_O(m): 11:03am On Nov 13, 2008|
I wonder what SirJohn is loling at.
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