plaetton:

Metaphysical, did I hear you say?
Lol.
The usual escape hatchet.
When unreason meets the brick wall of reason, unreason waxes metaphysical.

Now, if I don't understand the metaphysical with any of my known senses, then how do you understand it

@ the bolded.. The metaphysical is understood through a concept called faith, a concept that prodigiously supersedes logic

and.......of what relevance could it ever be in my reality or yours for that matter?

It holds the evidence as to how the universe was created. The evidence you're lookin' for..

As for proving to you that the universe was formed of something other than god God, I find that so silly and soo laughable that it makes me wonder whether there is really some kind of neuro-inhibitor in those holy water that you guys drink.

Not making sense, and I'd have to admit this is very stale.. There are better jokes, you could ask Apatheist to teach you..

For example, you have not established that god God exists, and yet you want me to prove that the universe is made of something else other than the god that has not been proven to exist. This is convoluted logic.

How is this convoluted in any way. You really think you're the only one who knows how to play this game innit..??
Convoluted logic you say.. Ain't the whole idea behind atheism convoluted?

Prove to you that God exist?? Now here's a good joke.. Do I look like an hero to you?

Say I were to be that hero for just a minute, you'd lack the proper wisdom and guidance to understand things that are metaphysical, how much God.. So Proving that God does exist to you would be entirely pointless

In case you have not heard, the universe is made of particles of matter, which itself is simple condensed energy.
But you are free to substitute matter or energy with god, and ........Viola!! The universe is made of god God.[/b]

Now this is convoluted logic.

Weah96:

Many atheists are quite satisfied with "I don't know." Atheists don't have to subscribe to the big bang model of abiogenesis.

frank317:

seriously what is "God" to you?

God is God.. Simple.. He is eternal and Uncaused..

is God some being with two legs and white beard with a white gown who can get angry, regret, and feel jealous? Is that what you as a christian whats people to believe?

Nope that is what you want you to believe... I have no idea where you got this notion from.. You probably invented the idea

Anything could have formed the world, but no one knows what it is. saying that what created the world is the idea in your head, which is Yahweh is absurd.

This is what you want to believe. The complexity of a human is more than enough evidence for you to understand that God created the world. A more probable premise to strengthen this fact are the physical constants that exist in nature. Normal reason should state that it is by design.
Lastly for this, did you not just violate your own view as an atheist.

No matter how you try, we are yet to know how the world came to be. the biblical story is childish and immature.

Each person is attached to his own belief don't generalize by using the word "WE". You are yet to know, and you're waiting for science to prove how the world came to be.. Talk 'bout a fruitless journey..

but why is it important? why does God need worship?

God did not force you to worship him. God never imposed anything on you. If God had imposed such on you, you'd have no reason other than to worship your Maker..But God has given you a choice here. Still you're angry we worship God. This question is pointless but still God has the answer to this in his word.

Why does he hate women who wear earrings?

Now this is very ridiculous. Just how dumb does this statement sound.. You could have done better..

why is he so so so human?

If you don't believe in God, how did you come to the conclusion that God is so human? Talk about confusing yourself.
God id God .. He is Uncaused

Why is believing that Yahweh created this world so important to you?

The same way while you we're a kid, believin' your parents will cater for you is so important, the same way believin' you will make it in life is so important to you. The same way believin' that you will die one day is so important.. I hope you get the analogy


It changes nothing.... you will still fall sick, hustle to make money, face difficult situation (for testimony sake), lose loved one, go to work and die one day.

It actually does change a lot, if you don't experience it, how would you know.. This argument of yours falls to a False Positive.


If God actually exists, shouldnt it be his business?

The Bolded is quite senseless..

how can he exist and cant simply make his creations hundred percent sure he exist?

God is not answerable to us remember, we are answerable to him. God gave us a way to also ascertain his existence, and that way is only by faith, but as a creation of the Creator, you question the words of the God that created you.. Ain't that stupid

dont you think the fact that you are here arguing him only means he not really a reality? Can anyone doubt that you have an earthly mother?

Baseless and Pointless as usual...


what really is the function on believing in a creator?

What really is the function of not believing in the Creator?

Peterken05:
you call it the hallmark of dumb and easily misled, now tell me who is easily misled and dumb, its so glaring you're dumb one here. I may be small in terms of age and not have the credentials you claim to have in biology or microbiology (i dont care)

why would i engage in conversation with a professor of Genetics that believes God created us. I wouldnt want to embarass myself.

It is you that believe in one form of pseudo-science or the other, it is that ascribe supernatural power to scientific questions. Goodluck with that.

A secondary school student who reads his biology textbook very well would answer that.

wiegraf:



@peter, as you can see, @david has over 40000 posts here, lots pertaining evolution. He is (supposedly) a trained biologist. That means years of work. Thousands of dollars spent on education. Also, when not discussing fairy tales, he's not completely foo.lish (well, most of the time). Yet he still asserts you believe the sun shines on blind faith.

IMO, the best solution lies in security. These people (ie religious of this variety, not all are so brazenly blind) are just scared and therefore turn to skydaddy for every answer. Without addressing that nothing gets solved. Affluent, educated societies have less fears about their families, security, etc, therefore less gods. Not a coincidence.

There are many other issues of course, but I think that solution is the one that would reach the most people. Much more easier said then done though.

Some folk, though, are simply ignorant. Shielded and bamboozled away from knowledge by those perpetuating their cycle of fear and insecurities, or simply don't know better. Educating those few brave, rational but ignorant, could go a very long way.

Efforts like our little crusades on nairaland do have some value, however little they may be. I have had closet atheists for instance, regular NL members, PM me. That's the best mere mortals like me can do for now, at least until I get a bit more power (which is what I should be doing right now, actually. Also, inb4 a clown thinks power = force)

(Mind you, my personal aim with these excursions being people focus on humans. Humanism first (eventually all life, however difficult/impossible that may be), for starters, before selfishness and fairy tales. Not that they become atheists.)

This is very simplistic break down mind you, ignoring stuff, but meh.

davidylan:

well well dear old mr wiegraf, back to his usual scaremongering. He is becoming quite the evangelist isnt he?

wiegraf:

scaremongering?

David, I hope you've been taking your medication

davidylan:

so many grammatical errors here... you should not be calling others dumb for that reason alone.

Actually a smart, curious student of science would want to know why a professor of genetics does not believe in the theory of evolution, which is basically a theory in the origin of genetics. But of course that would be assuming that you can even think at all.

Peterken05:
thanks for the correction. I didnt call anyone dumb.

Its so glaring, its because she is a christian, it is because of her religion. Her religion is threatened by evolution so she just studied it for studying sake.

There are lots of them like you, its very hard to find a lecturer that is not a pastor in my school.

Check countries where they do real stuff, real science, see how developed they are in terms of researches.

So her opinion wont change anything.

FringeWizard:

Secularism is a cancer which is the direct product of Christianity which is a weak slave religion that encourages stupidity like turning the other cheek, equality, democrashitty, etc. The vast majority of Christians are slaves to the demiurge and the secular people are as well.

We should get rid of equality, get rid of voting and have a monarch (king) instead, and purge the cancers of secularism and Christianity.

BossTtdiamonds:

@bolede.. What I'd say you're implyin' is that in developed countries, there are not theist scientist?

clearly you're Jokin'...

BossTtdiamonds: This post has been modified.. For reasons unknown, I just feel obliged to answer some of your Questions

God is God.. Simple.. He is eternal and Uncaused..

Nope that is what you want you to believe... I have no idea where you got this notion from.. You probably invented the idea

This is what you want to believe. The complexity of a human is more than enough evidence for you to understand that God created the world. A more probable premise to strengthen this fact are the physical constants that exist in nature. Normal reason should state that it is by design.
Lastly for this, did you not just violate your own view as an atheist.

Each person is attached to his own belief don't generalize by using the word "WE". You are yet to know, and you're waiting for science to prove how the world came to be.. Talk 'bout a fruitless journey..

God did not force you to worship him. God never imposed anything on you. If God had imposed such on you, you'd have no reason other than to worship your Maker..But God has given you a choice here. Still you're angry we worship God. This question is pointless but still God has the answer to this in his word.

Now this is very ridiculous. Just how dumb does this statement sound.. You could have done better..

If you don't believe in God, how did you come to the conclusion that God is so human? Talk about confusing yourself.
God id God .. He is Uncaused

The same way while you we're a kid, believin' your parents will cater for you is so important, the same way believin' you will make it in life is so important to you. The same way believin' that you will die one day is so important.. I hope you get the analogy

It actually does change a lot, if you don't experience it, how would you know.. This argument of yours falls to a False Positive.

The Bolded is quite senseless..

God is not answerable to us remember, we are answerable to him. God gave us a way to also ascertain his existence, and that way is only by faith, but as a creation of the Creator, you question the words of the God that created you.. Ain't that silly

Baseless and Pointless as usual...

What really is the function of not believing in the Creator?

The questions you posted shows you have doubts about what you believe in..
My question for you is this..
Are you really an atheist? Do you really not believe in God??

Peterken05:
thanks for the correction. I didnt call anyone dumb.

Its so glaring, its because she is a christian, it is because of her religion. Her religion is threatened by evolution so she just studied it for studying sake.

There are lots of them like you, its very hard to find a lecturer that is not a pastor in my school.

Check countries where they do real stuff, real science, see how developed they are in terms of researches.

So her opinion wont change anything.

Peterken05:
thanks for the correction. I didnt call anyone dumb.

Its so glaring, its because she is a christian, it is because of her religion. Her religion is threatened by evolution so she just studied it for studying sake.

There are lots of them like you, its very hard to find a lecturer that is not a pastor in my school.

Check countries where they do real stuff, real science, see how developed they are in terms of researches.

So her opinion wont change anything.

davidylan:

this is really daft.

1. you did not speak with her so how can it be "glaring" that she does not believe in evolution only because she is christian? Is it written on her forehead?

2. She studied evolution only because it threatens her religion? As a professor of genetics, Darwin's theories on natural selection are a prominent portion of high school genetics classes... do they also teach that out of fear?

You need to start using a brain dude.

davidylan:

I live in the US, i got my phd in the US, i do real stuff (whatever the heck that means), i do real molecular biology, i have published in at least three journals with over 150 citations... i still do not believe in evolution and there are millions like me.

So your point is? Africa is not backward because of religion, it is backward because of brainless people like you who merely copy the theories others tell you is true without bothering to think for yourself.

Peterken05:
heyy, i think for myself, dont know about you.

You have a Phd and you can evolution a belief system? SMH

bye bro.

Peterken05:
it is you that need to get a brain,
she told us that jesus dad created us, what does that imply to you? A muslim?

I dont know about high school genetic classes, but as for that day, she wasnt teaching genetics or evolution, she was teaching pure creationism.

davidylan:

You can shake your neck while you're at it... if evolution were true, you would have filled this place with the evidence. The fact that you dont know speaks volumes to anyone with a brain cell.

oluwabambam: I was just reading a post on Nairaland some minutes ago where the topic was on what constitutes a God-fearing individual. Someone commented adding that he/she is an atheist and that got me wondering. I have been seeing so many atheists on social media in Nigeria and it bothers me why there are so many of them nowadays. Are people now saying that there is no God? Do people mean that they don't believe in the creator of the universe? How did they come into existence if they don't believe in God. God created us all and this is what the Bible says. What is it with all these atheists? I want to understand why anyone would come to the conclusion that there is no God. It baffles me seriously. I need answers.

UyiIredia: I may yet revive that "6 Months Of Atheism", Kay 17 never got past explaining how life could arise by natural processes. I even went to a foreign forum to find better arguments, still nothing. No good arguments.

davidylan:

We learnt Darwin's laws of evolution in SS1... did you skip that class?

Modern biology for senior secondary schools by Ramlingan... check it out.

davidylan:

You can shake your neck while you're at it... if evolution were true, you would have filled this place with the evidence. The fact that you dont know speaks volumes to anyone with a brain cell.

FringeWizard:

Secularism is a cancer which is the direct product of Christianity which is a weak slave religion that encourages stupidity like turning the other cheek, equality, democrashitty, etc. The vast majority of Christians are slaves to the demiurge and the secular people are as well.

We should get rid of equality, get rid of voting and have a monarch (king) instead, and purge the cancers of secularism and Christianity.

frank317:

if you are reasonable and capable of doubting evolution, i wonder why you find the bible story plausible. talking donkey, God getting angry (or feeling threatened) because people are building a tower, talking snake, pregnant virgin.

the evolution theory could be wrong, that's why its a theory, its really okay if you doubt it. but what i find ridiculous is that you think i will be punished or burnt in hell after life for not believing a snake talked to Eve. WTF

urheme:

There is no afterlife.

We will roast u at the back of the church with firewood for talking rubbish.
You will make a good meal for our harvest communion

davidylan:

Excedrin for headaches? sure. You?

davidylan:

so many grammatical errors here... you should not be calling others dumb for that reason alone.

Actually a smart, curious student of science would want to know why a professor of genetics does not believe in the theory of evolution, which is basically a theory in the origin of genetics. But of course that would be assuming that you can even think at all.

davidylan:

I live in the US, i got my phd in the US, i do real stuff (whatever the heck that means), i do real molecular biology, i have published in at least three journals with over 150 citations... i still do not believe in evolution and there are millions like me.

davidylan:
So your point is? Africa is not backward because of religion, it is backward because of brainless people like you who merely copy the theories others tell you is true without bothering to think for yourself.

davidylan:

You can shake your neck while you're at it... if evolution were true, you would have filled this place with the evidence. The fact that you dont know speaks volumes to anyone with a brain cell.

UyiIredia: I may yet revive that "6 Months Of Atheism", Kay 17 never got past explaining how life could arise by natural processes. I even went to a foreign forum to find better arguments, still nothing. No good arguments.