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Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by NoContract(m): 2:28pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
zicky: Yea because you did not include my state of origin, school attended, next of kin and fathers name in the form you ask me to fill. Nice one. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 2:28pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
Orikinla: America is God's own country. I am a christian and a believer in God. However, did God tell you that America is his country? Is it stated in the bible? 3 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Orikinla(m): 2:40pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
AllNaijaBlogger: slowpoke, you don't know your Holy Bible. Where is America? Is it not on earth? [size=18pt]Psalm 24 Of David. A psalm. 1 The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it; 2 for he founded it on the seas and established it on the waters. 3 Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? 4 The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not trust in an idol or swear by a false god.[a] 5 They will receive blessing from the Lord and vindication from God their Savior. 6 Such is the generation of those who seek him, who seek your face, God of Jacob.[b][c] 7 Lift up your heads, you gates; be lifted up, you ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. 8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. 9 Lift up your heads, you gates; lift them up, you ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. 10 Who is he, this King of glory? The Lord Almighty— he is the King of glory.[/size] 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by lyonck5: 2:42pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
Its easy to open our mouths and deny the existence of God but my simple argument is this, what does your conscience say? I can deny gravity simply cos i don't see it, but my acceptance or denial does not remove the fundamental existence of gravity. and as soon as I jump of a building Gravity simply gets to work, whether i accept or reject its existence. Simply put we can not deny Gods existence. To all my atheist brothers and sisters, consider the sunshine on earth, and you will find that surprisingly without it, there will be no life on earth, consider the need for water consider the harmonic existence between sunshine, rainfall, plant growth, oxygen and carbon dioxide and humans and animals, you will find that you do not need science to tell you that there is a creator. Consider the inner workings of the human body e.g the way the heart pumps blood and deliver oxygen to all organs, the brain and how it transmits information to the muscles of the body, the skeletal frame work and how it provides support and protection for vital organs, the respiratory organs, the reproduction organs, the excretory organs and how these organs work in harmony for years, surely there must be a God and these things shows His greatness. If after we have considered these and still insist that there is no God well.................................... 3 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by lyonck5: 2:45pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
AllNaijaBlogger: Please Examine your belief again. |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by wiegraf: 2:56pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
RayMcBlue: where to even begin... if the vow is as meaningless as you imply, then surely it shouldn't matter if I choose to invoke pikiwokis name, no? better yet, I get them good xtians to vow using pikiwokis name, no? doctors, lawyers, school children, legally binding documents, etc all should use his noodliness. this is a policy they even got rid off, the only reason I see them using to revert to relative barbarism is that great scourge: Islam. why should the rest of us suffer because Muslims refuse to grow up? and I would think claiming you're a multicultural society whilst shoving your gods down peoples throat readily qualifies as hipocrisy. is that the 'hipocrisy' you speak of, as I really can't see your point... make no mistake about it, I'm proudly hipocritical when it comes to islam, for justifiable reasons from my POV (and I dare say any right thinking person, right in my view obviously, should be worried considering what their culture entails), but this is easily taking it too far what makes you think only a minority of atheists have a problem with this in the first place? and even if so, that automatically makes said minority wrong?? |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by simdam500(m): 3:03pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
Sitting back and relax... But am sure God himself that has given us power over choice knew one day choice would come to play and now is the time 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 3:22pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
Orikinla: America didn't exist at the time of the bible. You said America is God's own country. You should have said that God owns all countries 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 3:23pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
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Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by rhymz(m): 3:39pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
MrAnony1: I pledge to Nigeria my country,what a dubious conclusion. The man is not contesting for that part of the oath to be removed, he wants his right to freedom of belief to apply in this case ; he does not believed in God and does not want to mention the phrase so help me God. He has right to say I do not believed it and there fore do not want to say it. It should not come down to say it or quit .....this is very simple, don't deliberately create the wrong impression and confuse people with your bogus analogies, you are a known spin-doctor here. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by rhymz(m): 3:45pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
Abraham2013: Whoever dat does not hav a problem wit saying "God bless america" or "in God we trust" should not hav an issue wit saying "so help me God"some of you can misconstrue issues and still comment as if you understand what it is about. It is one thing to say scrap it, it is another thing to say make it optional for those that have a contrary view. spot the difference and stop messing up the issues with out of nowhere arguments. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by rhymz(m): 3:55pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
SeaGold: This shouldn't have come up for debate or become a controversial issue. The law states that an oath of allegiance must be entertained before enlisting and it doesn't matter how the "oath" is detailed since it has been accepted and documented as a legal framework. Human works and laws are consciously the works of our imagination and when such becomes tenable, we must upheld it as a guiding principle.Your argument is very childish and bias. Will you accept as part of an entry process into a government job an oath that makes you plead allegiance to one of the many Masonic or Hellenistic religious orders? Even though your are a strong believer in your Christian faith? This is why I always argue that human being basically have ignorant biases that always show when somebody different or with a differing belief system that is not popular makes an attempt to express them. You are being hypocritical. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by herald9: 4:36pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
NoContract:Ok... Go ahead and loose your job Your Atheist brothers will feed you and your family... What I implied was... I will simply accept their condition just for the work... Ofcourse They won't force me into their church... That would've been a clear infringement of my rights. |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by mstik(f): 4:40pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
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Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by cold(m): 4:41pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
lyonck5: Its easy to open our mouths and deny the existence of God but my simple argument is this, what does your conscience say? I can deny gravity simply cos i don't see it, but my acceptance or denial does not remove the fundamental existence of gravity. and as soon as I jump of a building Gravity simply gets to work, whether i accept or reject its existence. Simply put we can not deny Gods existence.Yeah..also consider the hurricanes,the floods,the earthquakes,the conflagration,the tsunamis killing in their hundreds of thousands. Surely there must be a god behind all these. Also consider the millions afflicted and dying of cancer,consider all the babies born today with congenital disorders,consider the thousands dying of the ebola virus,consider the millions of children that will go to bed hungry tonight and the million others that would die of starvation. Surely there's an awesome god behind all these. Please also take into cognisance all the killings,bloodletting,decapitations,wars etc all in the name of some god or who has the more superior god. Surely a most high god must be somewhere pulling the strings and enjoying himself. No? In conclusion,your god is no better than the other 5000+ gods out there. Only good enough for the rubbish heap. Nuff said! 3 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by swezenberg(m): 4:57pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
FrancisTony: You are far from being a Christian. A Christian does not spew the kind of thrash you just spewed out. You are either an Islamic or a boko haram sympathizer who wants that phrase ' so help me God or in God we trust to be removed from the anthem. America was founded on Christian doctrines and principles but they have erred. They have left their God and allowed many foreign practise and gods in their land. The time of God's anger is coming just like His anger has come upon Nigeria. Nigeria should prepare for worse in the years to come. Unless a Nation return in repentance to God it will know no peace. |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by herald9: 5:00pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
mstik:did I say anything wrong? I stand to be corrected. What do you think? |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by logicboy01: 5:03pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
swezenberg: Are you okay? So you are saying that it is God sending Ebola to Nigeria? See craze!!!! Also, if you took time to read the story, you would have found out that no one is trying to remove "so help me God". The argument from the atheist is that it should not be compulsory. Lastly, America was never founded as a christian country. Many of the founders were deists and some even slave owners. The treaty of tripoli even puts America as a secular country. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by swezenberg(m): 5:04pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
cold: So tell me what you think is responsible for all these. |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by mstik(f): 5:06pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
naa just surprised to see you herald9: |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by swezenberg(m): 5:11pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
logicboy01: You need to go and read more about past American leaders. Their formost presidents and how they gave so much to prayers before going to wars. You think so help me God and those phrases just came into their anthem yesterday. Or you think America's friendship with Israel started yesterday. As for Nigeria, you may not understand the happenings already expected of such nations who have given in to shedding of innocent blood in the name of politics and money. So the Nigeria you knew 30 years ago is the Nigeria you have now. Even if you don't believe in God the signs are there and no other book had so much predicted the happening at these times like the Holy Bible. |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by RayMcBlue(m): 5:17pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
wiegraf: -You were at a train station and the train was running late. -A very attractive woman was sitting beside you reading a religious magazine. -You struck up a conversation with her. -But somehow, she cleverly maneuvered the conversation into a sermon. -You tried to tell her that you don't believe in God, but she persisted. -You know her sermons to you were efforts in futility, so you humoured her and pretended to listen, maybe in the interest of peace, or maybe you were just being polite. -The train finally arrived, -Here's your chance! You swiftly disappeared through it's doors without so much as a "Goodbye." The end. That's a fine analogy on how to handle a delicate situation without relegating to a bìtchy persona. @the bold, a lot of people don't know this, but American version of Democracy has a religious past. America’s Founding Fathers believed that Liberty, freedom and religion were inseparable. True story. Majority of atheist like myself know and accept this, since - apart from a few public religious recitations here and there, many of which are getting amended as we speak - secularism promotes liberty and freedom. Quit playing the victim cards already. Atheists are not victims and can never be. I'm an atheist living in a secular community and I don't feel threatened. If I don't feel threatened, then why should you? ...Unless, you live in Iraq. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Missy89(f): 5:17pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
SHAME on USAF 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by swezenberg(m): 5:30pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
Missy89: SHAME on USAF Dear Missy. Why did you say shame on USAF. It has always been there no one military man can come and change it. It is just like a Nigerian Soldier saying he will never say 'so help me God' Then let him find a country who does not believe in such to pay his allegiance. |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by okzcorp: 5:31pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
FrancisTony: He is AGNOSTIC |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by herald9: 5:38pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
mstik: naayhu ehn? you have been seeing me everytime yet your still surprise each time you see me... Maybe seeing me here is not enough... We can see elsewhere |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by logicboy01: 5:47pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
swezenberg: Nigga, go and read. You are highly ignorant. First read about the treaty of tripoli Then read about christianity and slavery Then read about the founding fathers of America 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by logicboy01: 5:47pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
okzcorp: Agnostic is an atheist....they both do not believe in God |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Uteghe(m): 5:57pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
How can he remain an unbeliever in the 21st Century? This guy lacks orientation and schooling on the core values of the American Armed Forces. The Dollar the dude carries has inscribed on it; ''In God We Trust'',why has he not stopped using it in protest? The US Air Force is built on Faith in Almighty God.That's why they are potent, and presently the most proficient. If that guy wouldn't abide by the rules,he should go start his own Air Force. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Nobody: 5:58pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
swezenberg: God and read your history or maybe bible might help you. No country in the world was founded on any Christian doctrine except Isreal(not really Christian but Jewish doctrine i.e Old testament ) 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by logicboy01: 6:00pm On Sep 14, 2014 |
Uteghe: How can he remain an unbeliever in the 21st Century? This guy lacks orientation and schooling on the core values of the American Armed Forces. The Dollar the dude carries has inscribed on it; ''In God We Trust'',why has he not stopped using it in protest? The US Air Force is built on Faith in Almighty God-that's why they are potent are presently the most proficient. If that guy wouldn't abide by the rules,he should go start his own Air Force. The orignial american dollar bills didnt have "In God we trust". It was later put there Funny how ignorant many christians are. Please, go and read about freedom from religion in the US constitution. Dont be ignorant 2 Likes |
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