Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by proo212(m): 9:30pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
And finally o9.0 JIHAD (O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs), which is why the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said as he was returning from jihad. ``We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad.'' The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus (def: b7) is such Koranic verses as: (1) ``Fighting is prescribed for you'' (Koran 2:216); (2) ``Slay them wherever you find them'' (Koran 4:89); (3) ``Fight the idolators utterly'' (Koran 9:36); and such hadiths as the one related by Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: ``I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah''; and the hadith reported by Muslim, ``To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.''Details concerning jihad are found in the accounts of the military expeditions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), including his own martial forays and those on which he dispatched others. The former consist of the ones he personally attended, some twenty-seven (others say twenty-nine) of them. He fought in eight of them, and killed only one person with his noble hand, Ubayy ibn Khalaf, at the battle of Uhud. On the latter expeditions he sent others to fight, himself remaining at Medina, and these were forty-seven in number.) Mr Abdulsalam, there is compulsion in religion...I didnt say it, the guideline for Sharia law (reliance of the traveller) from the Shafi school of thought says it. This was certified by the highest authority in Sunni Islam, Al-Azhar University in Cairo. Not sure what the Hanbali, Maliki and Hanafi schools think but I dont expect them to be different since they agree on a lot of the legal conclusions And to think that you guys want Sharia to rule the world........Like I said in earlier posts, its not rocket science that there will be bloodshed at some point 3 Likes |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by dragunov: 9:51pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
yazach:
Firstly, are you a Christian? If yes, I think my points will make sense to you because I see a good reasoning in you post, but if you are an atheist, just ignore my comments because I don’t think it worth it to have online discussion with someone who denied existence of the creator. Now my response 1- I think you know who Adolf Hitler was; was he killing Jews in response to God’s commandment 2- Crusader war, in response to who’s command? God? Even after some centuries have passed over the war commandment by God. 3- Am sure you heard of the recent seized 9.3 million arms issue which involve CAN president? If the Jet happen to belong to a Muslim, what do you think some useless Christians will be saying but now that it belong to Christians leader will it not Justify to say CAN are behind Boko Haram? The bone of contention is that if somebody claims to be fighting for Allah, does that mean truly he is fighting for Allah sake or Allah truly command him to do so?
My Man, what will you say about this: • 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30] • 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31] • 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31] • 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31] • 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191] • 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191] • 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32] You still call this religion of peace?
I must tell you and I am not care either you believe me or not. Islam mean peace, if anybody claims to be fighting in the name of Islam then you should know the person is either a liar or trying to blackmail Islam. The media is to be blame for your misconception on Islam CAN chairman(a pastor of baptist) in ask his member to disguise like muslim and throw banger in to his church after prophecy he claimed to receive from God that book haram will attack. Assuming he succeeded, what will you think of muslims? Now I will shed light on conditions for Islamic war 1- It must be declared under Islamic State by Muslim leader(Single Leader) not Sect leader. 2- It should be fought if you are attacked and should be commanded by Islamic leader. The Prophet lived with pagan in Macca peacefully after he conquered them; he lived with Christians in Medina even when muslims were majority. . Dude I don't really geT what you are trying to prove. And your write-up actually reeks of fallacies. The premises you offer jusT negate the principle of logic. First, you try to draw a parallel of what muslims are doing in the world now(acts of terrorism) with what Adolf Hitler did to Jews and non jews alike, well mostly Jews, claiming that Hitler was a christain and that he did what he did in the name of Jesus! Then you cited the events of the crusades in the middle ages where catholics courtesy of the pope( who represented an appendage of Roman domination, greed and cruelty, all enshrouded in a religious figure) turned the world upside down, and you have the temerity to think they did that in the name of Jesus! Then you asserted that the Pope pontificated on the mass murder of protestants(both men and women); but you seem to forget that protestants were xtians who would not submit to the demonic doctrines of the catholic. You dare cite that as an example of christain terrorism! You afterward justified islamic misconducts and cruelty in Nigeria by stating that it is xtians behind BH just because our corrupt president used an equally corrupt clergy to ferry public fund to SA. That event is a pure case of money laundery. Simple. Let's not play dumb and pretend to believe the president's excuses. And then twist that as an evidence of CAN's involvement in BH. What the greedy clergy got involved in is not the collective agreement of all xtains in Nigeria but stictly a personal thing. Finally, from all indications both read and witnessed, islam is not a religion of peace . You even implied it from your last statement on ISLAMIC WAR and your attempt to postulate a new Just War theory. 2 Likes |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:54pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
malvisguy212: good qustion,just ready to read a very long note from him,the guy is adicted to copy and paste long note. In most of his post, he was calling christians antichrist, i ask him" what is christ? If you are not an antichrist, dos that mean you believe in christ?" the guy just went to copy and paste long note for me, the answer he gave me was funny, he was trying to say allah is christ. I PITY YOU YOU SAID I COPY LONG ARTICLE PLS THE FACT IS YOU CANT EVEN PROVE ME WRONG I QUOTED OTH BIBLE AND QURANIC VERSE U ASK FOR THE DEFINITION OF ANTICHRIST I GAVE IT TO U A GUY EVEN GAVE ME A VERSE IN THE BOOK OF JOHN WHICH DEFINE WHO ANTICHRIST ARE AND I PROVE TO HIM THAT HE IS THE REAL ANTICHRIST ANTICHRIST IS SIMPLY DONT WHO DONT FOLLOW THE TEACHING OF JESUS AND WE MUSLIM FOLLOW IT MORE THAN U HYPOCRITES SO MAN!......WATCH YOUR MOUTH IF U CANT PROVE ME WRONG DONT QUOTE ME I ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS THE ONLY EXCUSE YOU GAVE WAS THAT THE POST IS TOOLONG ..THATS HYPOCRACY MAN! |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:13pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
proo212: And finally
Mr Abdulsalam, there is compulsion in religion...I didnt say it, the guideline for Sharia law (reliance of the traveller) from the Shafi school of thought says it. This was certified by the highest authority in Sunni Islam, Al-Azhar University in Cairo.
Not sure what the Hanbali, Maliki and Hanafi schools think but I dont expect them to be different since they agree on a lot of the legal conclusions
And to think that you guys want Sharia to rule the world........Like I said in earlier posts, its not rocket science that there will be bloodshed at some point IMAGINE THE PERSON I AM ARGUING WITH SAYING SOMETHING WITH DOUBT PLS DID U READ THE POST I POSTED?.......IF YES THEN U SHOULD COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION PLEASE DID YOU KNOW THAT JESUS ORDER US TO FOLLOW THE TORAH OF MOSES ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT THE SHARIAH ESTABLISH IS SUPPIRTED BY TORAH OF MOSES "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled. "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it. THE WORLD NO MORE EXPERIENCE PEACE BECAUSE WE NO MORE FOLLOW THE WILL OF GOD WE ONLY FOLLOW OUR WISH EVEN JESUS CONFIRM THOSE LAWS |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 2:07am On Sep 25, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: IMAGINE THE PERSON I AM ARGUING WITH SAYING SOMETHING WITH DOUBT PLS DID U READ THE POST I POSTED?.......IF YES THEN U SHOULD COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION
PLEASE DID YOU KNOW THAT JESUS ORDER US TO FOLLOW THE TORAH OF MOSES ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT THE SHARIAH ESTABLISH IS SUPPIRTED BY TORAH OF MOSES "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled. "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it. THE WORLD NO MORE EXPERIENCE PEACE BECAUSE WE NO MORE FOLLOW THE WILL OF GOD WE ONLY FOLLOW OUR WISH EVEN JESUS CONFIRM THOSE LAWS Why, sire, are you bringing this up again? What has this to do with Jesus sanctioning religious compulsion? How many wars did He fight to demonstrate that He meant to be a warrior leader? Seems more to me that we learn nothing from each other as I explained earlier that Jesus in reference to judgment is talking about the judgment executed by God, not by man through religious compulsion or jihad wars. The Torah brought laws and judgment, but Jesus came in to offer an amnesty of grace to all.We Christians live under the law of grace, not physical judgment of the Torah or jihad of quran or any physical war, and that is why all through history, the true (mark that word, true) followers of Jesus are persecuted without their fighting back physically. Let's move forward... |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by yazach: 3:01pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
dragunov: . Dude I don't really geT what you are trying to prove. And your write-up actually reeks of fallacies. [s]The premises you offer jusT negate the principle of logic. First, you try to draw a parallel of what muslims are doing in the world now(acts of terrorism) with what Adolf Hitler did to Jews and non jews alike, well mostly Jews, claiming that Hitler was a christain and that he did what he did in the name of Jesus! Then you cited the events of the crusades in the middle ages where catholics courtesy of the pope( who represented an appendage of Roman domination, greed and cruelty, all enshrouded in a religious figure) turned the world upside down, and you have the temerity to think they did that in the name of Jesus! Then you asserted that the Pope pontificated on the mass murder of protestants(both men and women); but you seem to forget that protestants were xtians who would not submit to the demonic doctrines of the catholic. You dare cite that as an example of christain terrorism! You afterward justified islamic misconducts and cruelty in Nigeria by stating that it is xtians behind BH just because our corrupt president used an equally corrupt clergy to ferry public fund to SA. That event is a pure case of money laundery. Simple. Let's not play dumb and pretend to believe the president's excuses. And then twist that as an evidence of CAN's involvement in BH. What the greedy clergy got involved in is not the collective agreement of all xtains in Nigeria but stictly a personal thing. Finally, from all indications both read and witnessed, islam is not a religion of peace . You even implied it from your last statement on ISLAMIC WAR and your attempt to postulate a new Just War theory.[/s] You can never get it when you fail to understand the fact that the post was meant for excellent entity not dullards, and beside if you score more than D7 in English, it must be as a result of cheating 1 Like |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 3:13pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
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Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by yazach: 3:28pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
LET EVERY BODY READ AND COMPREHEND THIS:
Religion has never being part of terrorism but idiots are fooled by greedy people, so the idiots point the hands of terrorism to religion
Good people and bad people have faith in religion but if bad people show their bad habit, that does not mean religion mandate them to do so
If you want to throw a stone never throw it in a glass house, so if you accuse all people of religion(good and bad once together) just because of the bad one's behavior then you are the most stupid creature, you are definitely not better than any animal(any I said)
OH you Christians!!!! Islam(Qura'an and Hadith) and muslims will in no way support any act of terrorism and that is exactly the message passing by this thread, so you are not expected to oppose the OP but if you do so, what will you say of the atrocities committed and still committing by your fellow Christians
Those of you calling for war(by your hatred for fellow human being) I bet it if you are not going to end your life like a "snake that passes on a rock"
Bad people are perpetrator of evil, let the good people come together to fight the bad ones |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 8:18pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
yazach: LET EVERY BODY READ AND COMPREHEND THIS:
Religion has never being part of terrorism but idiots are fooled by greedy people, so the idiots point the hands of terrorism to religion
Good people and bad people have faith in religion but if bad people show their bad habit, that does not mean religion mandate them to do so
If you want to throw a stone never throw it in a glass house, so if you accuse all people of religion(good and bad once together) just because of the bad one's behavior then you are the most stupid creature, you are definitely not better than any animal(any I said)
OH you Christians!!!! Islam(Qura'an and Hadith) and muslims will in no way support any act of terrorism and that is exactly the message passing by this thread, so you are not expected to oppose the OP but if you do so, what will you say of the atrocities committed and still committing by your fellow Christians
Those of you calling for war(by your hatred for fellow human being) I bet it if you are not going to end your life like a "snake that passes on a rock"
Bad people are perpetrator of evil, let the good people come together to fight the bad ones nice writeup |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 10:11pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: nice writeup I like too... of course, minus the brickbats |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 12:05am On Sep 26, 2014 |
HolyHolla:
Does it occur to you at all that the quran places greater honor on Jesus than on Mohammed? Why, if I may ask, is this so? You can read the blog in the following link to understand better.
mongsexpressive..com.es/2014/08/christ-more-honored-in-koran-than.html?m=1
10 Verses from the Quran Prove ISIS Truly Follows Islam
Muslims around the world, along with U.S. President Barack Obama, have denounced ISIS, saying that their actions do not define Islam and are wholly against the Quran. But versesstraightfrom the same book both moderate Muslims and ISIS insurgents reference show thatthe savages arenot misinterpreting the Apostle Muhammad after all.
David Woods of AnsweringMuslims.com dedicates his time to studying the Quranand hadith (Muhammad’s quotes and biography). Now, he has compiled a list of10 scripturesto expose the hypocrisy of the moderate Muslim, proving that ISIS is the trueexample of devout Islamists:
10. Muslims must hate non-believers Quran 3:32 – “Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad); but if they turn away, then indeed, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”
9. Muslims must discriminate against unbelievers Quran 48:29 – “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful amongst themselves.”
8. Muslims can rape women, so long as they take them as wives or slaves Quran 4:24 – “And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hand possess.”
7. Muslims must persecutethose who are against the establishmentof an Islamic State Quran 5:33 – “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but thatthey be killed or crucified or thattheir hands and feet be cut offfrom opposite sides or thatthey be exiled from the land. That is forthem a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafteris a great punishment.”
6. Muslims must slaughter anyone who won’t convert to Islam Quran 9:5 – “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
5. Muslims can be merciful by forcing Jews and Christians to payfines and live in apartheid Quran 9:29 – “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truthfrom those who were given the Scripture –[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
4. Muslims may slaughter other Muslims Qruan 9:73 – “O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocritesand be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.”
3. Muslims must not be peaceful or moderate, but war for Allah Quran 9:111 – “Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believerstheir lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed.”
2. Muslims should not seek peace unless they have rid their community of unbelievers Quran 47:35 – “So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] yourdeeds.”
1. Peaceful quranic verseswere before Allah’s commands of slaughter, and are therefore annulled Quran 2:106 – “We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except thatWe bring forth [one] better than itor similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?” Considering the extremenature of theseverses, it would seem redundant to claim that ISIS are extremistsof Islam, while they actually interpret the quranic commands as literally as possible, resurrecting the barbaricleadership of their prophet Muhammad.
Still, Muslims who choose to follow the abrogated commands of Allah are out-dated, choosey, and, according to the Quran 9:73, hypocritical. While debating that ISIS fightersare truly representing Islam in its purest form doesn’t solve the crisis, it is the firststep to acknowledging that Islam is the problem and will always breed terror.
to prove yo wrong did know that thee is an hadith that preicted them emergence of isis and that it is false pls read it Nu’aym ibn Hammad narrates in Al-Fitan, that the 4th Caliph, Ali ibn Abi Talib said: When you see the black flags, remain where you are and do not move your hands or your feet. Thereafter there shall appear a feeble insignificant folk. Their hearts will be like fragments of iron. They will have the state. They will fulfil neither covenant nor agreement. They will call to the truth, but they will not be people of the truth. Their names will be parental attributions, and their aliases will be derived from towns. Their hair will be free-flowing like that of women. This situation will remain until they differ among themselves. Thereafter, God will bring forth the Truth through whomever He wills . Does this narration by Ali bin Abi Talib (k.)—that is related by AlBukhari’s teacher (Nu’aym bin Hamad) over one thousand two hundred years ago in his: book AlFitan—refer to the ‘Islamic State’? When you see the black flags’: The flags of the ‘Islamic State’ are black. ‘Remain where you are’: i.e., stay where you are, O Muslims, and do not join them. ‘And do not move your hands or your feet’: i.e. do not help them financially or with equipment. ‘Thereafter there shall appear a feeble insignificant folk’: i.e. ‘weak’ and ‘insignificant’ in terms of understanding of religion, morality and religious practice. ‘Their hearts will be like fragments of iron’: i.e. they will ruthlessly kill prisoners of war and cruelly torture people. ‘They will have the state’: For almost a century, no one has claimed to be an Islamic Caliphate other than the current ‘Islamic State’ in Iraq and the Levant. ‘They will fulfil neither covenant nor agreement’: The ‘Islamic State’ did not fulfil its agreement with the Sha’etat tribe after the tribe pledged allegiance to them; indeed the ‘Islamic State’ slaughtered them by the hundreds. They also killed journalists. ‘They will call to the truth’: The ‘Islamic State’ calls to Islam. ‘But they will not be people of the truth’: The people of the truth are merciful. The Prophet Muhammad said: ‘Have mercy and you will be shown mercy.’ ‘Their names will be parental attributions’: Like: ‘Abu Muthanna’, ‘Abu Muhammad’, ‘Abu Muslim’ and so on. ‘And their aliases will be derived from towns’: Like: ‘Al- Baghdadi’, ‘al-Zarqawi’, ‘al-Tunisi’ and so on. ‘Their hair will be free-flowing like that of women’: ‘Islamic State’ fighters have hair precisely like thiS AS YOU CAN SEE ISIS IS UNISLAMIC... AND CONCERNING THE VERSE YOU POSTED U DIDNT QUOTE IT AS IT WAS QUOTED THE ONES YOU PSTED ARE ABRICATED I IMPLORE YOU TO READ TWO VERSE BACKWARD AND TWO VERSE FORWARD |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 12:24pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: to prove yo wrong did know that thee is an hadith that preicted them emergence of isis and that it is false pls read it Nu’aym ibn Hammad narrates in Al-Fitan, that the 4th Caliph, Ali ibn Abi Talib said: When you see the black flags, remain where you are and do not move your hands or your feet. Thereafter there shall appear a feeble insignificant folk. Their hearts will be like fragments of iron. They will have the state. They will fulfil neither covenant nor agreement. They will call to the truth, but they will not be people of the truth. Their names will be parental attributions, and their aliases will be derived from towns. Their hair will be free-flowing like that of women. This situation will remain until they differ among themselves. Thereafter, God will bring forth the Truth through whomever He wills . Does this narration by Ali bin Abi Talib (k.)—that is related by AlBukhari’s teacher (Nu’aym bin Hamad) over one thousand two hundred years ago in his: book AlFitan—refer to the ‘Islamic State’? When you see the black flags’: The flags of the ‘Islamic State’ are black. ‘Remain where you are’: i.e., stay where you are, O Muslims, and do not join them. ‘And do not move your hands or your feet’: i.e. do not help them financially or with equipment. ‘Thereafter there shall appear a feeble insignificant folk’: i.e. ‘weak’ and ‘insignificant’ in terms of understanding of religion, morality and religious practice. ‘Their hearts will be like fragments of iron’: i.e. they will ruthlessly kill prisoners of war and cruelly torture people. ‘They will have the state’: For almost a century, no one has claimed to be an Islamic Caliphate other than the current ‘Islamic State’ in Iraq and the Levant. ‘They will fulfil neither covenant nor agreement’: The ‘Islamic State’ did not fulfil its agreement with the Sha’etat tribe after the tribe pledged allegiance to them; indeed the ‘Islamic State’ slaughtered them by the hundreds. They also killed journalists. ‘They will call to the truth’: The ‘Islamic State’ calls to Islam. ‘But they will not be people of the truth’: The people of the truth are merciful. The Prophet Muhammad said: ‘Have mercy and you will be shown mercy.’ ‘Their names will be parental attributions’: Like: ‘Abu Muthanna’, ‘Abu Muhammad’, ‘Abu Muslim’ and so on. ‘And their aliases will be derived from towns’: Like: ‘Al- Baghdadi’, ‘al-Zarqawi’, ‘al-Tunisi’ and so on. ‘Their hair will be free-flowing like that of women’: ‘Islamic State’ fighters have hair precisely like thiS AS YOU CAN SEE ISIS IS UNISLAMIC... AND CONCERNING THE VERSE YOU POSTED U DIDNT QUOTE IT AS IT WAS QUOTED THE ONES YOU PSTED ARE ABRICATED I IMPLORE YOU TO READ TWO VERSE BACKWARD AND TWO VERSE FORWARD I've made silent references to this many times earlier. It's about the Dijjal. You may want to resesrch further to find the El Madhi, who comes after and whose responsibility it is, according to those prophecies, to destroy the Dijjal and save the world. That is why I keep stating that if indeed, Muslims believe in those prophecies, they should never talk of any Jihad for now, but wait for the jihad of the Madhi. But somehow, the post you referenced and quoted did not have sufficient defense from your response. Reading forward and backwards still give me same conclusions. Also, I want you to please adress my post on the quran's adoration of Jesus above even Mohammed. You may also want to let us know why the quran says that Jesus was the only one born perfect and who lived throughout without any sin. I'm here, wondering that if anyone can be ascribed the nature of perfection, that person can be no other but God. Only God is perfect!!! What do you think? |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Zeus777: 2:42pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
HolyHolla:
Everybody knows that this is quite true. The start point was in defense from attacks of the warring tribes of Mecca and Medina, but when he became more victorious and prosperous, he decided to wage wars of conversion. LOL @ waging "WAR OF CONVERSION".... Religion of peace!! 1 Like |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by ladymichael: 4:17pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
Muslims on nairaland just pissed me off but the truth is boko haram is not religiously inclined just political. It doesn't matter what the history of nigeria concerning religious unrests states. Am referring to the present. And mind you some of the arrests that have been made on these bomb attacks were actually christians.yeeeeeepPppp!!!!!!!! Won't. Argue go and dig up papers better still browse or even ask any close sss officers that's if they will trust u enough to divulge info |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 4:24pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
How many true Muslims out there will heed the call for a just fatwa to defend their religion from the extremists? If truly you are a Muslim, and you believe in righteous jihad and that the Takfiris are not true Muslims and are damaging the image of Islam... Let's go there... www.businessinsider.com/one-of-the-worlds-most-influential-sheiks-has-issued-a-fatw-against-isis-2014-9?utm_content=buffer90976&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer"One Of The World's Most Influential Sheiks Has Issued A Fatwā Against ISIS GREG MCKENNA, BUSINESS INSIDER AUSTRALIA SEP. 26, 2014 As the West grapples with the increasing reach of ISIS on home soil and as random and planned acts of terrorism continue to develop, the Islamic world is not siting idly by. Earlier this week in his speech before the United Nations, US President Barack Obama signaled out the leadership being offered by a group of Muslim clerics led by Shaykh Abdallah bin Bayyah. This group, known as the Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies, issued a very powerful Fatwā* in opposition to the actions of ISIS and as a warningto young Muslims who may be attracted to its cause. Titled “This is Not the Path to Paradise, Response to ISIS,” the Fatwā highlights that ISISactions are against the tenets of Islam. This is addressed to the young men who bear arms against their own nations and destroy both country and countrymen. You have abandoned all values and made enemies of the world. We call on you to pause, reflect, and heed this counsel for the sake of all who want good for our community. It then offers four quotes from Islamic teachings before continuing with “A Statement to the Muslim Worldand its Leaders” reminding them to “Remember and Consider the Question Why?" It is powerful stuff, and it takes aim at Fatwās that “have justified bloodshed while disregarding Islamic law’s mandates of civil obedience, respect for life, and to refrain from divisiveness, irrespective of how morally degraded a society becomes. Instead, there are inappropriate claims of engaging in jihad and addressing the ills of society without fulfilling the conditions of doing so, which has led to even more suffering.” The full text offers guidance with an aim at returning Islam and Muslims worldwide to core values, noting there is a “pressing need to strengthen the immune system of the Muslim world against the extremism and violence that exists within it, regardless of where the violence is directed or how it began. The time is now for Muslim societies — individuals and political entities — to work together towards what is right and good and to place the higher interests of humanity and the world above personal interests.” It ends where it began, with an entreaty to younger Muslims in the West saying they should “remain steadfast in the face of the emptyclaims and promises made before them and to live the Islamic law properly so that they will not be duped into confusing falsehood with truth. This applies, in particular, to those who do not have a command of Arabic and do not understand the language of the Qur’an.”" (* A Fatwā in the Islamic faith is the term for the legal opinion orlearned interpretation that a qualified jurist or mufti can give on issues pertaining to the Islamic law.) |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by ladymichael: 5:28pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
HolyHolla: How many true Muslims out there will heed the call for a just fatwa to defend their religion from the extremists? If truly you are a Muslim, and you believe in righteous jihad and that the Takfiris are not true Muslims and are damaging the image of Islam... Let's go there...
www.businessinsider.com/one-of-the-worlds-most-influential-sheiks-has-issued-a-fatw-against-isis-2014-9?utm_content=buffer90976&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
"One Of The World's Most Influential Sheiks Has Issued A Fatwā Against ISIS
GREG MCKENNA, BUSINESS INSIDER AUSTRALIA SEP. 26, 2014
As the West grapples with the increasing reach of ISIS on home soil and as random and planned acts of terrorism continue to develop, the Islamic world is not siting idly by.
Earlier this week in his speech before the United Nations, US President Barack Obama signaled out the leadership being offered by a group of Muslim clerics led by Shaykh Abdallah bin Bayyah. This group, known as the Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies, issued a very powerful Fatwā* in opposition to the actions of ISIS and as a warningto young Muslims who may be attracted to its cause.
Titled “This is Not the Path to Paradise, Response to ISIS,” the Fatwā highlights that ISISactions are against the tenets of Islam.
This is addressed to the young men who bear arms against their own nations and destroy both country and countrymen. You have abandoned all values and made enemies of the world. We call on you to pause, reflect, and heed this counsel for the sake of all who want good for our community.
It then offers four quotes from Islamic teachings before continuing with “A Statement to the Muslim Worldand its Leaders” reminding them to “Remember and Consider the Question Why?"
It is powerful stuff, and it takes aim at Fatwās that “have justified bloodshed while disregarding Islamic law’s mandates of civil obedience, respect for life, and to refrain from divisiveness, irrespective of how morally degraded a society becomes. Instead, there are inappropriate claims of engaging in jihad and addressing the ills of society without fulfilling the conditions of doing so, which has led to even more suffering.”
The full text offers guidance with an aim at returning Islam and Muslims worldwide to core values, noting there is a “pressing need to strengthen the immune system of the Muslim world against the extremism and violence that exists within it, regardless of where the violence is directed or how it began. The time is now for Muslim societies — individuals and political entities — to work together towards what is right and good and to place the higher interests of humanity and the world above personal interests.”
It ends where it began, with an entreaty to younger Muslims in the West saying they should “remain steadfast in the face of the emptyclaims and promises made before them and to live the Islamic law properly so that they will not be duped into confusing falsehood with truth. This applies, in particular, to those who do not have a command of Arabic and do not understand the language of the Qur’an.”"
(* A Fatwā in the Islamic faith is the term for the legal opinion orlearned interpretation that a qualified jurist or mufti can give on issues pertaining to the Islamic law.)
Some people will just sit down read an article and make a case on it.that's y the white man hides information in books. |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 5:56pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
ladymichael:
Some people will just sit down read an article and make a case on it.that's y the white man hides information in books. ladymichael your point is not clear, please. When the white man hides information inside a book, he apparently does not expect you to "sit down read an article and make a case on it". |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 6:06pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
Read all about it here:
mongsexpressive..com.es/2014/08/christ-more-honored-in-koran-than.html?m=1
"Christ more honored in the Koran than Prophet Mohammed The distinctives of the Lord Jesus-Christ in the Koran. What Does the Koran Say about Jesus? 1. Jesus was the only person to be born of a virgin, distinguished from all humans and prophets without any exception: "She said, How shall I have a son, whom no mortal has touched, neither have I been unchased. He said, Even so thy Lord has said: Easy is that for Me; and that We may appoint him a sign unto men and a mercy from Us. It is a thing determined."(19) (Mary 16-24). 2. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all humans by being the Word of God, who is the very expression of the Self of God end His eternal Being: "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word …" (4)The Women 171; (3)House of Imran 40). 3. Jesus Christ alone emanated from the spirit of God; for this reason He did not need a sexual, genetical birth. "The Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him ." (4)The Women 169) 4. Jesus Christ alone, in exception to all humans, spoke while in the cradle (19)Mary 22-32). The Koran tells us that Christ needed no one to teach Him anything, not even how to speak. The Bible says: "Who hath directed the spirit of the Lord, or being His counselor hath taught Him knowledge and showed to Him the way of understanding." (Isaiah 40:1,13-14). Naturally, no one can teach the One who emanated from God's Spirit for He is the All-knowing. 5.Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all prophets with His infallibility and was the only one to be singled out for His perfection; for all the prophets had sinned, and their sins were mentioned in the Koran. However, Christ was the only exception, for "High honored shall be in this world and the next." (3)House of Imran 45). Also, the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) testified for the perfection of Christ and His infallibility, saying: "Satan pokes with his finger the side of every human at birth, except Jesus, son of Mary; when he went to poke Him, he poked the curtain." 6. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was the Creator: "I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it and it will be a bird." (3)House of Imran 42). 7. Jesus Christ alone was uniquely incomparable in knowing men's secrets: "I will inform you too of what things you eat, and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely, in that is a sign for you if you are believers." (3)House of Imran 48). 8. Jesus was matchless in making the miracles and the wonders which no other could make: "And I will also heal the blind and the leper…" (3)House of Imran 48). 9. Jesus Christ alone could raise the dead with the word of His blessed mouth: And I will bring life to the dead…" (3)House of Imran 48; (5)The Table 110). 10. Jesus Christ alone exclusively enjoyed the prophetical title of "the Messiah": "The Messiah , Jesus son of Mary, was God's Messenger, and His Word committed to Mary…" (4)Women 169). The Old Testament made known the real identity of the Messiah, saying: "Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgement and justice in the earth… and this is the name whereby He shall be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jeremiah 23:5-6) 11. Jesus Christ alone exchanged responsibility of authority with God: "And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when thou didst take me to thy self, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them." (5)Table 117). 12. Jesus was the only one to become a Sign unto men and Mercy from God (19)Mary 20) unto men who fell under the burden and the shackles of sin; for which, God's justice and holiness condemned them to eternal perdition. For this reason the only Savior, who can offer eternal salvation to men came to be a Mercy from God. 13. Only Jesus Christ could give His followers high honors and assurances concerning the day of Resurrection: "I will cause thee to die, and I will raise thee to Me, and I will purify thee of those who believe not. I will set thy followers above the unbelievers till the resurrection Day," (3)House of Imran 55) 14. Only Jesus will be the Judge who will come to this world to judge the living and the dead; the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) confirmed this fact, saying: "The Last Hour will not come until the Son of Mary come down as the just Judge." If you meditated on any of the Koran verses that portray the Lord Jesus Christ, you find that they are inherent attributes that are exclusively distinctive of God; and that He did not share any of them with any human at all. Moreover, you find that the Lord Jesus Christ did not enjoy only one of these attributes, but He included all of them in His blessed person, so that He may leave no doubt concerning His deity and divinity. The New Testament recorded that the All-mighty God became a perfect man (something that was easy for Him to do) and came from heaven to our earth to save men. The Bible says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God … and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1,14). Then the Bible continues the portrayal of Christ, saying:"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:16)."
Excepts from : The gospel of Christ Jesus according to saint John as reviewed by the koran and muslim scholar. BY Dr Ben Malik |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by ladymichael: 9:03pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
HolyHolla:
ladymichael your point is not clear, please. When the white man hides information inside a book, he apparently does not expect you to "sit down read an article and make a case on it". Hmmmmmm. I could not have made my self any clearer. Am speechless. |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:43am On Sep 27, 2014 |
HolyHolla: Read all about it here:
mongsexpressive..com.es/2014/08/christ-more-honored-in-koran-than.html?m=1
"Christ more honored in the Koran than Prophet Mohammed The distinctives of the Lord Jesus-Christ in the Koran. What Does the Koran Say about Jesus? 1. Jesus was the only person to be born of a virgin, distinguished from all humans and prophets without any exception: "She said, How shall I have a son, whom no mortal has touched, neither have I been unchased. He said, Even so thy Lord has said: Easy is that for Me; and that We may appoint him a sign unto men and a mercy from Us. It is a thing determined."(19) (Mary 16-24). 2. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all humans by being the Word of God, who is the very expression of the Self of God end His eternal Being: "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word …" (4)The Women 171; (3)House of Imran 40). 3. Jesus Christ alone emanated from the spirit of God; for this reason He did not need a sexual, genetical birth. "The Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him ." (4)The Women 169) 4. Jesus Christ alone, in exception to all humans, spoke while in the cradle (19)Mary 22-32). The Koran tells us that Christ needed no one to teach Him anything, not even how to speak. The Bible says: "Who hath directed the spirit of the Lord, or being His counselor hath taught Him knowledge and showed to Him the way of understanding." (Isaiah 40:1,13-14). Naturally, no one can teach the One who emanated from God's Spirit for He is the All-knowing. 5.Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all prophets with His infallibility and was the only one to be singled out for His perfection; for all the prophets had sinned, and their sins were mentioned in the Koran. However, Christ was the only exception, for "High honored shall be in this world and the next." (3)House of Imran 45). Also, the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) testified for the perfection of Christ and His infallibility, saying: "Satan pokes with his finger the side of every human at birth, except Jesus, son of Mary; when he went to poke Him, he poked the curtain." 6. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was the Creator: "I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it and it will be a bird." (3)House of Imran 42). 7. Jesus Christ alone was uniquely incomparable in knowing men's secrets: "I will inform you too of what things you eat, and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely, in that is a sign for you if you are believers." (3)House of Imran 48). 8. Jesus was matchless in making the miracles and the wonders which no other could make: "And I will also heal the blind and the leper…" (3)House of Imran 48). 9. Jesus Christ alone could raise the dead with the word of His blessed mouth: And I will bring life to the dead…" (3)House of Imran 48; (5)The Table 110). 10. Jesus Christ alone exclusively enjoyed the prophetical title of "the Messiah": "The Messiah , Jesus son of Mary, was God's Messenger, and His Word committed to Mary…" (4)Women 169). The Old Testament made known the real identity of the Messiah, saying: "Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgement and justice in the earth… and this is the name whereby He shall be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jeremiah 23:5-6) 11. Jesus Christ alone exchanged responsibility of authority with God: "And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when thou didst take me to thy self, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them." (5)Table 117). 12. Jesus was the only one to become a Sign unto men and Mercy from God (19)Mary 20) unto men who fell under the burden and the shackles of sin; for which, God's justice and holiness condemned them to eternal perdition. For this reason the only Savior, who can offer eternal salvation to men came to be a Mercy from God. 13. Only Jesus Christ could give His followers high honors and assurances concerning the day of Resurrection: "I will cause thee to die, and I will raise thee to Me, and I will purify thee of those who believe not. I will set thy followers above the unbelievers till the resurrection Day," (3)House of Imran 55) 14. Only Jesus will be the Judge who will come to this world to judge the living and the dead; the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) confirmed this fact, saying: "The Last Hour will not come until the Son of Mary come down as the just Judge." If you meditated on any of the Koran verses that portray the Lord Jesus Christ, you find that they are inherent attributes that are exclusively distinctive of God; and that He did not share any of them with any human at all. Moreover, you find that the Lord Jesus Christ did not enjoy only one of these attributes, but He included all of them in His blessed person, so that He may leave no doubt concerning His deity and divinity. The New Testament recorded that the All-mighty God became a perfect man (something that was easy for Him to do) and came from heaven to our earth to save men. The Bible says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God … and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1,14). Then the Bible continues the portrayal of Christ, saying:"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:16)."
Excepts from : The gospel of Christ Jesus according to saint John as reviewed by the koran and muslim scholar. BY Dr Ben Malik
DERAILING AGAIN WHAT YOU POSTED IS EVEN PROVING THAT MUHAMMAD DIDNT AUTHORED THE BIBLE BUT IT IS FROM GOD IF IT IS FROM MUHAMAD HE WILL HAVE MENTION HIS NAME THOUSAND TIMES IN THE QURAN {He is only a servant whom We blessed and We made him an example to the children of Israel.} (Az-Zukhruf 43:59) THERE ARE MANY PROPHET THAT PERFORM MIRACLE MORE THAN JESUS IN THE BIBLE I WILL CONTINUE LATER READ MY NEXT POST |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by OjeriakhiVictor(m): 8:23am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Lucario007:
so what of the following:
No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people: “This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
or this: “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)
No. 4: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
or even these:
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
“ And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)
These are all from the bible. So does it mean all Christian s follow and obey such barbaric acts?
so please who are you to judge?
Hitler was a Catholic, and the amount of people he killed not to mention the Christian Crusades should be equal if not doubling the number of people killed by Muslim terrorist activities.
All in all, nearly all religions are the same. Guy just keep quiet.. |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 8:47am On Sep 27, 2014 |
OjeriakhiVictor: Guy just keep quiet.. Thanks for coming in. Same thing we have been saying. You may want to go back into the thread and see how we treated your submissions earlier. That these happened in the OT during the laws of Moses does not mean it should continue in the NT which offers the law of grace. This is the 21st Century. Hitler did not commit his heinous crimes in obedience to the teachings of Christ, so it's irrelevant to make him a Christian example. The same way, we are enjoining Muslims to condemn the attrocities of the extremists so that we can have some peace in the world. Or would anyone rather have the opposite? |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 9:32am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: DERAILING AGAIN WHAT YOU POSTED IS EVEN PROVING THAT MUHAMMAD DIDNT AUTHORED THE BIBLE BUT IT IS FROM GOD IF IT IS FROM MUHAMAD HE WILL HAVE MENTION HIS NAME THOUSAND TIMES IN THE QURAN {He is only a servant whom We blessed and We made him an example to the children of Israel.} (Az-Zukhruf 43:59) THERE ARE MANY PROPHET THAT PERFORM MIRACLE MORE THAN JESUS IN THE BIBLE I WILL CONTINUE LATER READ MY NEXT POST Not derailing; just giving the full text of what I posted earlier for the benefit of those who may not be able to read from the website url provided. How could Mohammed have authoured the Bible when he lived long after it was written? But one thing is certain from the quran: Mohammed ordered that writings of Christ as his own forerunner must be honored by every true Muslim. He said those who disbelieve the "prophets" before him (Jesus inclusive), were just as the infidels. When a person who claims divine inspiration authenticates one who came before him, I believe that he is saying that the authority of that before is from God. When he later on goes on to say things that contradict this same earlier authority he has authenticated, which do we believe? The former, who is acclaimed to be greater than all others or the latter who contradicts the authority he recognises? Not only that, Mohammed authenticated Christ as One who has the Spirit of God, Holy (and Pure) Son, Savior and Messiah. As a Muslim therefore, you have to believe in Christ as Savior to be saved. Now, that takes us back to my question, "what would you say about the honor accorded to Christ in the quran which gives Him qualities above all other prophets and at places Him on a perfect status which is comparable only with perfection of God?" |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by urheme: 10:39am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Kay17: Another fault with Islam and Christianity is that it does not give the individual the initiative to direct his spiritual life, to decide for himself, rather he has to constantly adhere to instructions from the bible or quran without sufficient understanding.
For example why do we do good for God? This is the very fact, Any book which justifies killings at all is an afront to justice and humanity, be it holy books or legal books, and just like all other books, the so call holy books should be subject to criticism and review. If you ask me i will say they have woefuly failed the repugnancy test |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by dragunov: 3:13pm On Sep 27, 2014 |
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Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by yazach: 2:48pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
HolyHolla: Read all about it here:
mongsexpressive..com.es/2014/08/christ-more-honored-in-koran-than.html?m=1
"Christ more honored in the Koran than Prophet Mohammed The distinctives of the Lord Jesus-Christ in the Koran. What Does the Koran Say about Jesus? 1. Jesus was the only person to be born of a virgin, distinguished from all humans and prophets without any exception: "She said, How shall I have a son, whom no mortal has touched, neither have I been unchased. He said, Even so thy Lord has said: Easy is that for Me; and that We may appoint him a sign unto men and a mercy from Us. It is a thing determined."(19) (Mary 16-24). 2. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all humans by being the Word of God, who is the very expression of the Self of God end His eternal Being: "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word …" (4)The Women 171; (3)House of Imran 40). 3. Jesus Christ alone emanated from the spirit of God; for this reason He did not need a sexual, genetical birth. "The Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him ." (4)The Women 169) 4. Jesus Christ alone, in exception to all humans, spoke while in the cradle (19)Mary 22-32). The Koran tells us that Christ needed no one to teach Him anything, not even how to speak. The Bible says: "Who hath directed the spirit of the Lord, or being His counselor hath taught Him knowledge and showed to Him the way of understanding." (Isaiah 40:1,13-14). Naturally, no one can teach the One who emanated from God's Spirit for He is the All-knowing. 5.Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all prophets with His infallibility and was the only one to be singled out for His perfection; for all the prophets had sinned, and their sins were mentioned in the Koran. However, Christ was the only exception, for "High honored shall be in this world and the next." (3)House of Imran 45). Also, the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) testified for the perfection of Christ and His infallibility, saying: "Satan pokes with his finger the side of every human at birth, except Jesus, son of Mary; when he went to poke Him, he poked the curtain." 6. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was the Creator: "I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it and it will be a bird." (3)House of Imran 42). 7. Jesus Christ alone was uniquely incomparable in knowing men's secrets: "I will inform you too of what things you eat, and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely, in that is a sign for you if you are believers." (3)House of Imran 48). 8. Jesus was matchless in making the miracles and the wonders which no other could make: "And I will also heal the blind and the leper…" (3)House of Imran 48). 9. Jesus Christ alone could raise the dead with the word of His blessed mouth: And I will bring life to the dead…" (3)House of Imran 48; (5)The Table 110). 10. Jesus Christ alone exclusively enjoyed the prophetical title of "the Messiah": "The Messiah , Jesus son of Mary, was God's Messenger, and His Word committed to Mary…" (4)Women 169). The Old Testament made known the real identity of the Messiah, saying: "Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgement and justice in the earth… and this is the name whereby He shall be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jeremiah 23:5-6) 11. Jesus Christ alone exchanged responsibility of authority with God: "And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when thou didst take me to thy self, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them." (5)Table 117). 12. Jesus was the only one to become a Sign unto men and Mercy from God (19)Mary 20) unto men who fell under the burden and the shackles of sin; for which, God's justice and holiness condemned them to eternal perdition. For this reason the only Savior, who can offer eternal salvation to men came to be a Mercy from God. 13. Only Jesus Christ could give His followers high honors and assurances concerning the day of Resurrection: "I will cause thee to die, and I will raise thee to Me, and I will purify thee of those who believe not. I will set thy followers above the unbelievers till the resurrection Day," (3)House of Imran 55) 14. Only Jesus will be the Judge who will come to this world to judge the living and the dead; the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) confirmed this fact, saying: "The Last Hour will not come until the Son of Mary come down as the just Judge." If you meditated on any of the Koran verses that portray the Lord Jesus Christ, you find that they are inherent attributes that are exclusively distinctive of God; and that He did not share any of them with any human at all. Moreover, you find that the Lord Jesus Christ did not enjoy only one of these attributes, but He included all of them in His blessed person, so that He may leave no doubt concerning His deity and divinity. The New Testament recorded that the All-mighty God became a perfect man (something that was easy for Him to do) and came from heaven to our earth to save men. The Bible says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God … and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1,14). Then the Bible continues the portrayal of Christ, saying:"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:16)."
Excepts from : The gospel of Christ Jesus according to saint John as reviewed by the koran and muslim scholar. BY Dr Ben Malik
My brother!!!! but you said you have a translated qura'an that you use to read? If you truly do 1- did you read and confirm those things brought up by that man before you even post it here If you don't mind, we can pick each point and engage each other regarding those points |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by yazach: 2:49pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
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Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 6:07pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
yazach:
My brother!!!! but you said you have a translated qura'an that you use to read? If you truly do
1- did you read and confirm those things brought up by that man before you even post it here
If you don't mind, we can pick each point and engage each other regarding those points I was only sharing what someone wrote. I owe no responsibility if the verses are accurately quoted. But, yes, I read the message and I'm in agreement with all the points raised. Some of them may not be convincing enough for the critical mind of an expert in quran like you, but of course, the average person understands and accepts the submissions. They are all in the quran and I am ready to confirm that I have definitely read each and everyone in the quran before. You may want to take it up point by point and show your disagreements, but surely, I will be ready to defend them. I guess that will take us deeper into the study of the quran, but first, in order not to waste our time, we must be ready to accept what the book says on these issues at face level except where exegesis proves otherwise. Trying to interpret to justify our own ideas will only take us into argumentations, which goes off course from apologetics. |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 6:25pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
yazach:
My brother!!!! but you said you have a translated qura'an that you use to read? If you truly do
1- did you read and confirm those things brought up by that man before you even post it here
If you don't mind, we can pick each point and engage each other regarding those points I was only sharing what someone wrote. I owe no responsibility if the verses are accurately quoted. But, yes, I read the message and I'm in agreement with all the points raised. Some of them may not be convincing enough for the critical mind of an expert in quran like you, but of course, the average person understands and accepts the submissions. They are all in the quran and I am ready to confirm that I have definitely read each and everyone in the quran before. You may want to take it up point by point and show your disagreements, but surely, I will be ready to defend them. I guess that will take us deeper into the study of the quran, but first, in order not to waste our time, we must be ready to accept what the book says on these issues at face level except where exegesis proves otherwise. Trying to interpret to justify our own ideas will only take us into argumentations, which goes off course from apologetics. |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by gidjah(m): 6:28pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
[quote author=honeychild] Sura 9:5 - When the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving, Merciful.
Sura 9:123- Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find firmness with you. And know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. @OP I don't know where you live o, or how old you are, but as for me, a Nigerian who grew up in Kaduna State in the eightees and nineties, you can never convince me that violence and terrorism is not a facet of Islam.
I witnessed too many incidences of Muslims pouring out of a mosque after Friday prayers and embarking on a killing, looting and burning spree, all the while shouting Allahu Akbar!
do not mind him my dear,i lived in kad all my life,til date ,my parent stil live there.u said d truth pls |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by proo212(m): 7:58pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: to prove yo wrong did know that thee is an hadith that preicted them emergence of isis and that it is false pls read it Nu’aym ibn Hammad narrates in Al-Fitan, that the 4th Caliph, Ali ibn Abi Talib said: When you see the black flags, remain where you are and do not move your hands or your feet. Thereafter there shall appear a feeble insignificant folk. Their hearts will be like fragments of iron. They will have the state. They will fulfil neither covenant nor agreement. They will call to the truth, but they will not be people of the truth. Their names will be parental attributions, and their aliases will be derived from towns. Their hair will be free-flowing like that of women. This situation will remain until they differ among themselves. Thereafter, God will bring forth the Truth through whomever He wills . Does this narration by Ali bin Abi Talib (k.)—that is related by AlBukhari’s teacher (Nu’aym bin Hamad) over one thousand two hundred years ago in his: book AlFitan—refer to the ‘Islamic State’? When you see the black flags’: The flags of the ‘Islamic State’ are black. ‘Remain where you are’: i.e., stay where you are, O Muslims, and do not join them. ‘And do not move your hands or your feet’: i.e. do not help them financially or with equipment. ‘Thereafter there shall appear a feeble insignificant folk’: i.e. ‘weak’ and ‘insignificant’ in terms of understanding of religion, morality and religious practice. ‘Their hearts will be like fragments of iron’: i.e. they will ruthlessly kill prisoners of war and cruelly torture people. ‘They will have the state’: For almost a century, no one has claimed to be an Islamic Caliphate other than the current ‘Islamic State’ in Iraq and the Levant. ‘They will fulfil neither covenant nor agreement’: The ‘Islamic State’ did not fulfil its agreement with the Sha’etat tribe after the tribe pledged allegiance to them; indeed the ‘Islamic State’ slaughtered them by the hundreds. They also killed journalists. ‘They will call to the truth’: The ‘Islamic State’ calls to Islam. ‘But they will not be people of the truth’: The people of the truth are merciful. The Prophet Muhammad said: ‘Have mercy and you will be shown mercy.’ ‘Their names will be parental attributions’: Like: ‘Abu Muthanna’, ‘Abu Muhammad’, ‘Abu Muslim’ and so on. ‘And their aliases will be derived from towns’: Like: ‘Al- Baghdadi’, ‘al-Zarqawi’, ‘al-Tunisi’ and so on. ‘Their hair will be free-flowing like that of women’: ‘Islamic State’ fighters have hair precisely like thiS AS YOU CAN SEE ISIS IS UNISLAMIC... AND CONCERNING THE VERSE YOU POSTED U DIDNT QUOTE IT AS IT WAS QUOTED THE ONES YOU PSTED ARE ABRICATED I IMPLORE YOU TO READ TWO VERSE BACKWARD AND TWO VERSE FORWARD @Abdulsalam20, There is also this hadith It was narrated from Thawban that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Three will fight one another for your treasure, each one of them the son of a caliph, but none of them will gain it. Then the black banners will come from the east, and they will kill you in an unprecedented manner." Then he mentioned something that I do not remember, then he said: "When you see them, then pledge your allegiance to them even if you have to crawl over the snow, for that is the caliph of Allah, Mahdi."Sunan Ibn Majah 4084 And clearly more and more people are pledging allegiance to Al-Baghdadi. Personally I dont believe he is the "one", but what is happening now will give you an insight of what will happen when the real one comes. Christians who are civil servants have been made jobless. Business owners who are Christians cannot do business because they will not pledge allegiance to the Caliph. Does that sound familiar? Rev 13:15-17 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[f] the name of the beast, or the number of his name There are a lot people saying that they are not muslims, at that time there will be no uncertainty of who he is because he will unite all the sects that are warring against each other at the present time. |
Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by malvisguy212: 8:10pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
proo212:
@Abdulsalam20,
There is also this hadith
And clearly more and more people are pledging allegiance to Al-Baghdadi. Personally I dont believe he is the "one", but what is happening now will give you an insight of what will happen when the real one comes. Christians who are civil servants have been made jobless. Business owners who are Christians cannot do business because they will not pledge allegiance to the Caliph. Does that sound familiar? Rev 13:15-17
There are a lot people saying that they are not muslims, at that time there will be no uncertainty of who he is because he will unite all the sects that are warring against each other at the present time. God bless you. |