carefreewannabe:

Can you read?

Babygal4eva:

Just wanted to point out that you have said feminism so adding gender equality is a bit redundant don't u think?

Pedophila is a crime everywhere in case u don't know nobody is for it.

The fact that you are intimidated by feminists shows ur low self esteem, feminism is a conspiracy yes, a conspiracy to teach men especially African men that women are not doormats or foot stools and we have a mind of our own that surpasses some of you all.

I never considered myself a feminist till I joined Nairaland and then suddenly my opinions are considered feministic. If that is the case then yea I'm a feminist and proud

cococandy: What about the kids that could arise from such intimate acts?
What happened to their right not to be born deformed or percusors of lineal deformation?

Left to me,
If they must have sex,then they should agree to sterilization. So that their intimate unions begins and end with them and doesn't affect the next generation.

Win win. Everyone's rights protected.

Misogynist2014: Women deserve to be a door mat, who you beat and make cry every single day.
Poor women: so confused and so grossly incompetent. I suppose we should mourn for them as well............. Dick Masterson.

pickabeau1: hehehehe
I wonder why this is seen as strange
Gays do it and can adopt with the state paying
Lezzies do it can adopt with the state paying
So why should it be different


Live and Let Live - coco candy

pentagonal:

what's exactly is your point madam?? the CDU is only criticising the move cos of there religious inclination. the SPD and alliance 90 will take the battle to the Bundestag.

freshdude2: Make your voice count Carefree, speak up today

carefreewannabe:

The SPD is currently CDU's coalition partner and the Justice Ministry is led by a SPD politician, Heiko Maas, who has officially refused to take the ethics council's suggestion into any consideration.

carefreewannabe:

The SPD is currently CDU's coalition partner and the Justice Ministry is led by a SPD politician, Heiko Maas, who has officially refused to take the ethics council's suggestion into any consideration.

carefreewannabe:

The SPD is currently CDU's coalition partner and the Justice Ministry is led by a SPD politician, Heiko Maas, who has officially refused to take the ethics council's suggestion into any consideration.

TV01: ...am I right in thinking that the reasoning was - to parphrase - "incestuous couples should not be criminalised due to the disgust about them"?

Anyways, good to see CFW on fine form;

They could simply 1, not have kids, 2, have any pregancies screened, or 3, have them "engineered like homosexuals do

Why would it open the door to child abuse? Or at least open it any further. Are you claiming there are a load of people refraining from child-abuse just because incest is not legal. Does it not happen now that incest is illegal

That's how the gay one started - now we have to be ushers at their "weddings" or else !

And why should they be denied that right. As for children, see above. Plus, they may choose to be sterilised - I guess only one would need be !

An a priori assumption that there is such a thing as "sexual orientation". And then limiting it as you subjectively see fit. You also say nothing about how if sexual orientation is different from undeniable sexual functioning, that something must be wrong. At least a brother and sister are aligning their sexual function with the right orientation

So? Kids are born that require State welfare all the time. It's a fact that children from single parent homes take up more welfare spending than those from two parent homes. Yet, for wannabe (see what I did there ) single mums, legislation is moving to enabling them. Should single-mothers not also be legislated against for this same "cost to society" reason?

Likewise for homosexuals. Their lifestyle is more dangerous than smoking, yet we don't stick health warning on it or them. The lives are typically shortened and the health risks and hence the healthcare bill is disproportinally high. Why are they enabled and championed?

The parallels have to be made. Advocate will look to what is acceptable and the arguements that made it so to press their case. Trying to make the point without relevent references is indeed "ostrich in the sand" type behaviour.

Agreed.

TV

carefreewannabe:


Sane country.

MizMyColi:

freshdude2: First of all, who says children have to be born in iincest relationships. There are all sorts of solutions to this pseudo-conundrum like surrogacy and adoption.

Same can be said of homosexx. Are you saying older brothers, cousins, uncles haven't molested young relatives with cases recorded?

Oh, it will be the town's business when they want to get married. Are you saying they shouldn't get married? And if not, how do they do so
when doing so constitutes a crime?

Naivety. As with all things in life, a price must be paid. If it is established that their union would endanger their offpsring and by extension, the future of Germany, government could and would be wise to make sterilisation a requirement for iincestual relationships. They are the government afterall, the government can do anything.

Or, they could invest in research to mitigate the weaknesses of genetic disorders in such relationships.

Nobody cares whether or not it's an orientation. As it is, it's a violation of human rights considering the freedoms given to other sexxual deviants. This last point of yours is confusing as it is insulting to my intelligence. It is no valid point. Whether or not people fall in and/or out of love is nobody's cup of tea and definitely no reason to limit one's sexxual rights.

Again, there's the option of legislation in favour of sterilisation or just plain old abortion. The kids don't have to be born.

Both well within the subject of sexxual preference, attraction and expression.

TB Joshua would be green with envy.

of course. Ostrich-playing time.

Sure, just as one could cook without using fire.

freshdude2: Where law makers are trying to legalise sibling sexx? Nah, sanity is relative.

pentagonal:

and the terms of agreement doesn't change party ideologies. since CDU have fulfilled the request of the sdp of increasing minimum wage to 8.5 euros per hours and reduce retirement age from 67 to 63. the last lost of the CDU in nrw and Brandenburg will soon let them drop some of their morality toga. the country is so underpopulated and peeps don't want to procreate. imagine a 500k increase in population since the 2011 census taking into consideration the relaxed immigration laws.

carefreewannabe:

Law makers?

The government makes the laws in this country and the government has refused to EVEN take this suggestion into consideration.

Get your facts right.

And compared to Nigeria where people are obsessed with gays but not with men who OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY marry, fu.. and impregnate little girls, Germany is not relatively but ABSOLUTELY sane.

freshdude2: Yet, the government passed into law, the rights of homosexxuals to sexxual freedom? The same way they were pressured to openly support gays is the same way they'd be pressured to support this new batch of deviants. All they need do is use the formula used by LGBTs and voila, one more ticked box. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that doesn't make it less true.

carefreewannabe:

What does minimum wage have to do with this discussion? What does retirement age have to do with this discussion?

The country is not underpopulated but it doesn't have enough young people. It's an aging society. BIG DIFFERENCE.

The statement that the German government wants to legalize in.cest for more children to be born is EXTREMELY stupid because

- the German government is AGAINST the ethics council's suggestion to change the law that makes se.x between siblings a punishable act.

- the German government doesn't want to populate the country with sick children.

- there are other policies and programs to increase the number of young people in the country.

This is not Nigeria, where illiterates run the Ministry of Education.

By the way, you better be concerned with the overpopulation in Nigeria.

okotv: still watching...wonder why you hate Nigeria.

carefreewannabe:

I love Nigeria.

okotv: and you just insulted our minister of education and his entire ministry ma

carefreewannabe:
I am not saying that abuse doesn't take place in families. It does but it is punishable and I think it should remain like that.
If we allow in.cest then it will be easier for offenders to get away with it.

carefreewannabe:

I even insult the President and his stvpid wife who brought shame on Nigeria all over the world.

Being critical of a government doesn't mean that I hate the country.



I don't hate Nigeria but I won't lie to you, I live in a much better place and I think that many Nigerians will agree.
And talking about the Ministry of Education, in Germany, it is very hard to become a teacher. Teachers are well-trained and well-paid.
It says a lot about how seriously education is taken in Germany and what a joke it is in Nigeria.

By the way, your leaders send their kids to school abroad. Think about it.

ZERKNICHTER:

just no!
se.x with children is a much more servere crime than ince.st in germany
relatives having sex with childen will be sentenced for child molestation and not for ince.st so making in.cest legal will not change anything
in germany its even illegal for adult to have s.ex with below 16 year old person
this argument is invalid

okotv: how much do you really know about Nigeria ?

Ymodulus: Just reading through the comments, it seems many people can not see beyond their own personal feelings about incest to consider whether someone should go to prison for it.

In the case cited, there is a normal couple who love each other and have children just like anyone else, with the exception that they are brother and sister. They are not harming or impinging on the rights of anyone else, so why should their relationship be classed as criminal and subject to a custodial sentence?

It is surely immoral to lock people up simply because we don't like the way they live their lives. We have left behind locking people up for being Catholic, or for being homosexual, and it is time to leave behind this archaic law. If incest was decriminalized, the social taboo would still remain because so many people find it abhorrent, so it would not lead to a sudden increase in such relationships.

Some of the people expressing their disgust here might get a nasty surprise if they knew their family history. They might find they are descended from someone born out of incest because it was so common in past centuries. Even the Royals got up to it.

carefreewannabe:

Like I said, you reason like the ethics council and you are free to do so.

carefreewannabe: I am not saying that abuse doesn't take place in families. It does but it is punishable and I think it should remain like that.
If we allow in.cest then it will be easier for offenders to get away with it.

carefreewannabe: No, siblings shouldn't get married.

carefreewannabe: The government can do anything in Nigeria, not in Germany

carefreewannabe: Apart from that, the German constitution contains the protection of physical integrity. So no, nobody can be forced to sterilization and the constitution is not going to change for the sake of in.cest. Let's be realistic

carefreewannabe: Even if Germany is a rich country, they have more urgent issues (cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis and even Ebola) to do research on than to test how blood relatives can procreate without risk taking

carefreewannabe: What you consider deviant is not what majority of Germans considers deviant

carefreewannabe: Even though abortion is legal in this country, nobody would say that it should be taken lightly. And apart from that, who is going to cover these costs for people they don't accept?

carefreewannbe: I don't get this point.

carefreewannabe: If you think that in.cest cannot be discussed without having to mention, then this is your problem, not mine. Sorry.

carefreewannabe:

Pressured? Says who?