TheSuperNerd:
Honestly, Coach Pellegrini is starting to make me think he's kinda "scared"....... He knows Nacho is just super talented and as good as any out there (imagine 19-yr old Martial was Man utd's best player on a day, Man city missed Silva, Aguero and Nasri), so why still limit his game time?

Anyway, I expect Iheanacho to get big gametime on wednesday (28th). If not, then it shows that aguero or not, Nacho might have to do what Pogba did.

TheSuperNerd:
Honestly, Coach Pellegrini is starting to make me think he's kinda "scared"....... He knows Nacho is just super talented and as good as any out there (imagine 19-yr old Martial was Man utd's best player on a day, Man city missed Silva, Aguero and Nasri), so why still limit his game time?

Anyway, I expect Iheanacho to get big gametime on wednesday (28th). If not, then it shows that aguero or not, Nacho might have to do what Pogba did.

Icon4s:


Calm down bro.Football is nt like that. Pellegrini knows his players better than u and I. He knows what each player brings to d table.

Even if Iheanacho does nt start on wednesday, it doesn't matter much. He is still a rising Star that needs time to mature. Perhaps if Iheanacho was in Manu he would get more playing time jst like d 19yrs old Martial u are comparing him with. U should know by now dat Pellegrini prefares more matured and experienced players.

TheSuperNerd:
Firstly, I'm not comparing Martial and Iheanacho. I only made a citation of/to another 19 year old(who happens to be "10 months older".

Secondly, how else is football?? Football is dynamic and got no specifics.

Thirdly, You're right...... Pellegrini "knows" his players better than you, me or anyone here...... Exactly the same way Sir Alex Ferguson "knew" Paul Pogba.

Finally, pellegrini prefers more matured and experienced players?? Well, yeah, I agree 50% to that which explains why he's scared.

On the other 50%, pls tell me how Isco came to limelight again........ How "matured and experienced" was he?

Same with a young Santi Carzorla.

These 2 played under Pellegrini. So why's Nacho's case different here?? Aguero is out and this is happening. What better chances will he have to "prove" he's more than ready. I just think Pellegrini is "thinking" about his job.......... Believing in Iheanacho's talent is not enough... He needs to trust him more.

TheSuperNerd:
Firstly, I'm not comparing Martial and Iheanacho. I only made a citation of/to another 19 year old(who happens to be "10 months older".

Secondly, how else is football?? Football is dynamic and got no specifics.

Thirdly, You're right...... Pellegrini "knows" his players better than you, me or anyone here...... Exactly the same way Sir Alex Ferguson "knew" Paul Pogba.

Finally, pellegrini prefers more matured and experienced players?? Well, yeah, I agree 50% to that which explains why he's scared.

On the other 50%, pls tell me how Isco came to limelight again........ How "matured and experienced" was he?

Same with a young Santi Carzorla.

These 2 played under Pellegrini. So why's Nacho's case different here?? Aguero is out and this is happening. What better chances will he have to "prove" he's more than ready. I just think Pellegrini is "thinking" about his job.......... Believing in Iheanacho's talent is not enough... He needs to trust him more.

TheSuperNerd:
Firstly, I'm not comparing Martial and Iheanacho. I only made a citation of/to another 19 year old(who happens to be "10 months older".

Secondly, how else is football?? Football is dynamic and got no specifics.

Thirdly, You're right...... Pellegrini "knows" his players better than you, me or anyone here...... Exactly the same way Sir Alex Ferguson "knew" Paul Pogba.

Finally, pellegrini prefers more matured and experienced players?? Well, yeah, I agree 50% to that which explains why he's scared.

On the other 50%, pls tell me how Isco came to limelight again........ How "matured and experienced" was he?

Same with a young Santi Carzorla.

These 2 played under Pellegrini. So why's Nacho's case different here?? Aguero is out and this is happening. What better chances will he have to "prove" he's more than ready. I just think Pellegrini is "thinking" about his job.......... Believing in Iheanacho's talent is not enough... He needs to trust him more.

BascoVanVeli:


The thing is Man City has too many options and for Iheanacho to even play in a game of that magnitude speaks alot about the trust his coach has in him. From the start of the season Pellegrini already told us that Sterling and KDB could also play striker so the fact that he didn't simply move KDB up and bring in Navas on the right wing shows you how much trust he has in the boy, he could have even used Yaya as striker. I am sure he starts the next match but let me say this Iheanacho is not better than Bony we all love this boy but lets not get carried away. Bony's finishing is just as good and he is way stronger, to me he was Man City's best player in the first half. It might be easy to say why not Bony but look at the man's track record with goals.
I can't compare Iheanacho's situation to Pogba. Pogba was treated like a child forced to play youth football when he was good enough for the big boys, Iheanacho is being treated like a professional, in his first year in the league he already has so many appearances. Against west ham he came in as a left back then who would have expected the coach to toss him in against Crystal Palace with all still to play for? Just the same as the last game imagine if Nacho had scored would you have said Pellegrini was scared? .

BascoVanVeli:


The thing is Man City has too many options and for Iheanacho to even play in a game of that magnitude speaks alot about the trust his coach has in him. From the start of the season Pellegrini already told us that Sterling and KDB could also play striker so the fact that he didn't simply move KDB up and bring in Navas on the right wing shows you how much trust he has in the boy, he could have even used Yaya as striker. I am sure he starts the next match but let me say this Iheanacho is not better than Bony we all love this boy but lets not get carried away. Bony's finishing is just as good and he is way stronger, to me he was Man City's best player in the first half. It might be easy to say why not Bony but look at the man's track record with goals.
I can't compare Iheanacho's situation to Pogba. Pogba was treated like a child forced to play youth football when he was good enough for the big boys, Iheanacho is being treated like a professional, in his first year in the league he already has so many appearances. Against west ham he came in as a left back then who would have expected the coach to toss him in against Crystal Palace with all still to play for? Just the same as the last game imagine if Nacho had scored would you have said Pellegrini was scared? .

Icon4s:


Yes u are comparing Iheanacho with Martial. I know d problem. U think bc Iheanacho won d MVP U17 he is d best footballer of his generation (say among 19yrs olds).U mayb thinking where was Anthony Martial when Iheanacho won the U17 MVP. Football is nt an arithmetic progression. There are still some players dat didnt even feature at dat U17 dat will dazzle soon. Some dat even took part dat no one noticed will soon flourish ahead of those that shone like a million stars.

Yes Pellegrini introduced a young Isco and Carzola into d senior squad. I think ur expectations on Iheanacho is pretty high. He is talented no doubt bt I am telling u from a coaching perspective dat u need more than that. U should also ask y he has nt been invited to d Super Eagles.

For Pellegrini still limiting his game time even in d absence of Aguero, Da Silva and Nasri it tells alot.

And yes maturity and experience count alot in football.

icon4ss:


U call MLS competitive. U say retired and semi retired players? For ur info all d players I mentioned are still playing in Europe.The Osaze u are talking abt was even one of our best performers at d last WC jst barely over a yr ago. So if nt for injuries he still stands a better chance than Martins. Ameobi is currently in d books of Crystal Palace, John Utaka plays in French League2, Taye Taiwo plays in d Ukrainian top división, Ayila is some where in Eastern Europe I dnt know d where abt of Odiah since after he left CSKA.

""""""" The MLS is not even as competitive as d lower leagues in say France or Russia nt to talk of lower leagues in England, Spain and Germany . Martins in his current form cannot compete with young platers like: Isaac Success and Imoh Ezekiel even though they are less experienced. Where experience counts more is in goal keeping and defence.U think if Iheanacho was a defender he would b getting all d attention he is getting at ManCity? Forward positions are for fast adventurous players."""""""""

Drogber that won d MLS player of the minth, is he still featuring for d national team? When d likes of Thiery Henry, Robert Pirez & Nicholas Anielka went to d MLS they waved good bye to d national team. Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrad are currently playing in d MLS but are they still with d 3Lions?

Immediately u leave Europe and go to d MLS jst know u are now a pensioneer.

To me Emenike should even be released nt to talk of Martins.

I have always been an advocate of the clamour for fielding of our best players. But I also believe in fielding of players based on current form and nt past glory.With the likes of Mikel, Echiejile, Ambrose, V Moses, Onazi, Musa,Emenike, Omeruo and Obaobona still in dat team there is a lot of experience already. We jst need back Aluko and Babatunde in dat midfield and with d inclusion if some U20/U23 players and Ighalo that team is good to go. So forget Martins he is now a pensioneer.

cc: Bascovanveli

TheGoodJoe:



[b]
I think is a case Pellegrini slowly bringing Nacho into the game. If Pellegrini did not believe Nacho, he would have sent him on loan and bought another striker to complete the squad.

I think we should be patient and see what Pellegrini will do with Nacho. Pellegrini has the experience for this kind of things. Nacho is just ten games into a hjghly talented side.

As for Pogba, I think he made a mistake and missed a valuable lesson from Sir Alex Ferguson. Ferguson wanted to mold Pogba into a player like Paul Scholes. He had the ability but I think Pogba did not play the way Ferguson wanted him to play.

That is why Ferguson brought Scholes back from retirement for Pogba to watch Scholes play for one season. Remember Ferguson's obsession to sign Mikel. It was because of Mikel's thinking pattern when he plays.

Pogba might have missed a valuable lesson there and I hops Nacho exercises patience. If he does not, he might miss a valuable lesson. Nacho is still learning the game in the eyes of Pellegrini. [/b]

TheSuperNerd:
Wrong! Wrong!! Wrong!!! Wrong!!!! Wrong!!!!!

You don't even get it do you?

I don't care about any other talent in terms of comparison....... My focus is on the "Super Talent" of Nacho and whether u like it or not, he just might be the best!!!!!

Does that hurt? Is that a problem now? Look, my point is simple, about Nacho....... The lad is good and ready at this point to roll with the "big boys". Why? Apart from "Super talent", he got the right attitude...... He got "loads and loads of confidence".......... He even got that "touch of hunger and subtle arrogance(channelled right)" to make it big........... So tell me Sir, what else do you want from a 19 year old?? EXPERIENCE?? How do u get that when u don't get to feature as much as u should huh?

You're kinda funny Sir..... Coz I recall couple of pages back on this thread where you said something like this, "AS A GOALIE, DEFENDER OR DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER, EXPERIENCE IS MORE IMPORTANT. BUT AS A STRIKER OR A FORWARD, EXPERIENCE CAN BE EXCUSED BECAUSE IF HE GOT LOADS OF TALENT AND CONFIDENCE, HE CAN THRIVE IN ATTACKING POSITIONS WHERE SKILLS AND BRAINS CAN COMPENSATE AS EXPERIENCE CAN COME WITH TIME..........". If u like deny it but I know u said something like this........ Or u want proof?

Pellegrini limiting Nacho's game time shows what exactly?? That's he's not ready? Shows what? Sir, from my end it shows some kind of "fear" and "hesistation to boldly unleash this kid".

As for the Super Eagles, I'll ask one question asked by Safarigirl once..... How many Super Eagles players will make the bench of "stars studded" Man City
or even get playing time??

Invitation to the national team is no "criterion" to show you're ready for the "big league"..... So Iwobi is better abi? So Chima Akas is better? All because of National team invitation? Pls, let's not even go there............ *smiles*

safarigirl:
if Man City fans catch you ehn.

Since the Derby, City fans have been asked repeatedly which player they prefer and let it be known that not once has Bony scratched even one vote in any of those polls. These are actual City fans voting, people who have supported that club even before Premier league experience......

You guys on NL dunno nothing, y'all should stay underrating your brother while fans who matter are looking at him as the next Aguero

TheSuperNerd:
Patience will be exercised Sir Goodjoe. And as a Man City fan and keen follower/observer, I'm super certain u know more than I do about Man City affairs.

But I never said Pellegrini doesn't "believe" in Nacho..... What I'm saying is "Belief" is not enough. He gotta "trust him more"..........

Iheanacho may be growing but you and I know that he's ready enough to roll with the "Big boys" big time.........

So why the hesitation from Pelle?

Anyway, patience we will exercise but "such talent" should not be "delayed" any further.......

As for Paul Pogba, he may have missed some "valuable lessons" from the English league's greatest and most successful manager but he's without any doubt, THE BEST AND MOST HIGHLY RATED YOUNG MIDFIELDER IN THE WORLD TODAY. He's like a "force of nature".......... I wonder what would have happened had he stayed...........

*smiles*

Bottomline: Patience, we will exercise but............

TheSuperNerd:
You see, I chose my words very carefully........

I said,".....Believing in Iheanacho's Talent is NOT ENOUGH....... Pellegrini needs to trust him MORE"

Of course he trusts him, BUT "THE MORE" IS KINDA MISSING...... And gametime shows it even in Aguero's absence.

Of course, he believes in Nacho's talent but you and I know "belief is never enough, you gotta act it out strongly and without fear"

*smiles*

Bottomline: Nacho is in good hands but those hands gotta give him "more room" to display his wares so that he can keep growing.

BascoVanVeli:


The thing is Man City has too many options and for Iheanacho to even play in a game of that magnitude speaks alot about the trust his coach has in him. From the start of the season Pellegrini already told us that Sterling and KDB could also play striker so the fact that he didn't simply move KDB up and bring in Navas on the right wing shows you how much trust he has in the boy, he could have even used Yaya as striker. I am sure he starts the next match but let me say this Iheanacho is not better than Bony we all love this boy but lets not get carried away. Bony's finishing is just as good and he is way stronger, to me he was Man City's best player in the first half. It might be easy to say why not Bony but look at the man's track record with goals.
I can't compare Iheanacho's situation to Pogba. Pogba was treated like a child forced to play youth football when he was good enough for the big boys, Iheanacho is being treated like a professional, in his first year in the league he already has so many appearances. Against west ham he came in as a left back then who would have expected the coach to toss him in against Crystal Palace with all still to play for? Just the same as the last game imagine if Nacho had scored would you have said Pellegrini was scared? .

Icon4s:


This guy u love this Nacho die!!! you no go kill person with all those descriptive adjectives abeg.
I like this. Sebi somebody once said u suppose work for the English press.

BascoVanVeli:


Playing him at striker even for 90 minutes shows zero trust, it in the end limits his potential. Players like him are supposed to be free on the field not boxed in into waiting on the ball all day, i am sure that even with his 10 minutes if Nacho had seen more of the ball it could have been a different story.

Icon4s:


Yes u are comparing Iheanacho with Martial. I know d problem. U think bc Iheanacho won d MVP U17 he is d best footballer of his generation (say among 19yrs olds).U mayb thinking where was Anthony Martial when Iheanacho won the U17 MVP. Football is nt an arithmetic progression. There are still some players dat didnt even feature at dat U17 dat will dazzle soon. Some dat even took part dat no one noticed will soon flourish ahead of those that shone like a million stars.

Yes Pellegrini introduced a young Isco and Carzola into d senior squad. I think ur expectations on Iheanacho is pretty high. He is talented no doubt bt I am telling u from a coaching perspective dat u need more than that. U should also ask y he has nt been invited to d Super Eagles.

For Pellegrini still limiting his game time even in d absence of Aguero, Da Silva and Nasri it tells alot.

And yes maturity and experience count alot in football.

BascoVanVeli:


The thing is Man City has too many options and for Iheanacho to even play in a game of that magnitude speaks alot about the trust his coach has in him. From the start of the season Pellegrini already told us that Sterling and KDB could also play striker so the fact that he didn't simply move KDB up and bring in Navas on the right wing shows you how much trust he has in the boy, he could have even used Yaya as striker. I am sure he starts the next match but let me say this Iheanacho is not better than Bony we all love this boy but lets not get carried away. Bony's finishing is just as good and he is way stronger, to me he was Man City's best player in the first half. It might be easy to say why not Bony but look at the man's track record with goals.
I can't compare Iheanacho's situation to Pogba. Pogba was treated like a child forced to play youth football when he was good enough for the big boys, Iheanacho is being treated like a professional, in his first year in the league he already has so many appearances. Against west ham he came in as a left back then who would have expected the coach to toss him in against Crystal Palace with all still to play for? Just the same as the last game imagine if Nacho had scored would you have said Pellegrini was scared? .

safarigirl:
if Man City fans catch you ehn.

Since the Derby, City fans have been asked repeatedly which player they prefer and let it be known that not once has Bony scratched even one vote in any of those polls. These are actual City fans voting, people who have supported that club even before Premier league experience......

You guys on NL dunno nothing, y'all should stay underrating your brother while fans who matter are looking at him as the next Aguero

Icon4s:
Guys, in my office few minutes ago, I strumbled into former Super Eagles right back, Former Golden Eaglets coach, Former Olympic Team coach and Former Super Eagles coach - Mr Augustine "Serezo" Eguavoen.

After introducing myself I invited him for lunch with me as it was lunch time. He asked me to give him 10mins to complete the task he came for. We got talking over lunch.

Because of the likes of TheSuperNerd, TheGoodJoe, Safarigirl and other Iheanacho fans I raised the Iheanacho debate after a series of discussions.(Men, Eguavoen dey roast o)

He was of the opinion that Iheanacho is talented and a good player.(Nothing more).

I tried being specific with comparisms with the likes of Anthony Martial, Bony, young Isco and Carzola and d likes.

His answer was "Iheanacho is still a baby he needs time to mature". I raised a subtle objection that Anthony Martial is also 19yrs old. He said "Martial is more maturered physically, mentally and in the level of knowledge of the game. Martial is a product of the French League and even featured in last year's champions league with Monaco". He said the best for Iheanacho now might be a loan move for 1 or 2 seasons.
-This is a man who has played the game and coached the game talking.

We also discussed d current Eaglets and Super Eagles.

TheSuperNerd:
*smiles* I HOPE YOU RECALL YOUR OWN WORDS......

PLS CHECK OUT THE PARAGRAPH WITHIN THE "MANY APOSTROPHES" starting with "The MLS............"

And pls play the "Experience card" for Nacho again....... I think I'll love to hear it better this time

**smiles**

Cc: Sir Icon4s

TheSuperNerd:
Na wa o!!!

Zero trust??

You said u've watched all Man city games... Na only as "striker" Pelle dey play am?? Abi he no dey come in for Silva or sterling sometimes??

Besides no be as "striker" man city dey groom am?? A striker in the mold of a "messi" who won't sit upfield waiting for balls to come to him.......

Oga Basco..... Abeg o.... I no fit shout..... *smiles*

Icon4s:
Guys, in my office few minutes ago, I strumbled into former Super Eagles right back, Former Golden Eaglets coach, Former Olympic Team coach and Former Super Eagles coach - Mr Augustine "Serezo" Eguavoen.

After introducing myself I invited him for lunch with me as it was lunch time. He asked me to give him 10mins to complete the task he came for. We got talking over lunch.

Because of the likes of TheSuperNerd, TheGoodJoe, Safarigirl and other Iheanacho fans I raised the Iheanacho debate after a series of discussions.(Men, Eguavoen dey roast o)

He was of the opinion that Iheanacho is talented and a good player.(Nothing more).

I tried being specific with comparisms with the likes of Anthony Martial, Bony, young Isco and Carzola and d likes.

His answer was "Iheanacho is still a baby he needs time to mature". I raised a subtle objection that Anthony Martial is also 19yrs old. He said "Martial is more maturered physically, mentally and in the level of knowledge of the game. Martial is a product of the French League and even featured in last year's champions league with Monaco". He said the best for Iheanacho now might be a loan move for 1 or 2 seasons.
-This is a man who has played the game and coached the game talking.

We also discussed d current Eaglets and Super Eagles.

Icon4s:
Guys, in my office few minutes ago, I strumbled into former Super Eagles right back, Former Golden Eaglets coach, Former Olympic Team coach and Former Super Eagles coach - Mr Augustine "Serezo" Eguavoen.

After introducing myself I invited him for lunch with me as it was lunch time. He asked me to give him 10mins to complete the task he came for. We got talking over lunch.

Because of the likes of TheSuperNerd, TheGoodJoe, Safarigirl and other Iheanacho fans I raised the Iheanacho debate after a series of discussions.(Men, Eguavoen dey roast o)

He was of the opinion that Iheanacho is talented and a good player.(Nothing more).

I tried being specific with comparisms with the likes of Anthony Martial, Bony, young Isco and Carzola and d likes.

His answer was "Iheanacho is still a baby he needs time to mature". I raised a subtle objection that Anthony Martial is also 19yrs old. He said "Martial is more maturered physically, mentally and in the level of knowledge of the game. Martial is a product of the French League and even featured in last year's champions league with Monaco". He said the best for Iheanacho now might be a loan move for 1 or 2 seasons.
-This is a man who has played the game and coached the game talking.

We also discussed d current Eaglets and Super Eagles.

TheGoodJoe:





I actually disagree with the experience for defenders and keepers. Look at Casillas who at seventeen years old kept and showed more experience than many legendary players. Look at Pique who as a teenager, he was one of the best defenders in the La Liga with Real Zaragoza.

These guys had good coaches who nurtured them early, just like Xavi in La Masia. If you are trained the right way you will excel.

I just want Nacho to keep practising his lessons and continue listening to his coaches. As for his talent and ability, that is not a debate. He is good.

BascoVanVeli:


Yes! I have watched all their game with their games, he has never used in either Silva or Sterling's position or was i asleep? Coming on for a player doesn't mean you take the players exact position. i remember him playing left back against West Ham and against Newcastle he was a second striker. This you peoples grooming don tire me next thing we go take palmy overseas and say they groomed it to be drinkable. The boy was a boss in 2013 could have played anywhere then so Man City just housed our ferrari nothing more. This is the same thing that happened to Mikel i guess with him being African they don't believe he is creative enough. Who does Nacho playing as striker benefit? I tell you who it doesn't Nigeria. Its like they are sending us oil we already have that.

BascoVanVeli:

I wonder if this your "real" man city fans watch their games in "super hd" cum i tend to believe i am just as knowledgeable since i have watched all their matches this year. We have to get over this what have you done for me lately stuff. Bony is an African champion a couple years ago he scored more goals than anyone in any of the major leagues, are you forgetting Swansea and his track record there? Please don't give me that "u are not supporting your own" talk, so because i surport Iheanacho should i say he is better than Pele and Maradona? I will not say what i don't believe even if it is in surport of myself. Bony btw is our own I will always surport every single African in Europe that is just my stance, just like I love big head Ayew, if that makes me un-Nigerian so be it. Plus there are 2 other positions that would fit this boy better and that just lets me know that these fans are biased how else do they explain voting Bony when the right side has struggled this whole year, how many chances has Jesus Navas blown this year? What exactly can we call what KDB played against Man U? Was that the same Sterling who scored an hattrick or was he "tired"? Compare that with Bony who just scored 2 goals and has even more assists, the man can do everything a striker is asked he can play with his midfield and with his body he being so big he wins his fair share of aerial balls. Being a striker is not just to score goals it can get very physical especially in a game against Man U. The only way Iheanacho could have functioned in that game was playing behind Bony or to his side just like Martial was being played. To me Bony doesn't come to my mind, i say they should put the boy in his real position, that to me is what the problem is, he is a creator not just a finisher.