@oziomatv
if we had a normal working system then yes you r totally right,but remember indiscipline,endemic corruption e.t.c had eaten deep into our collective psyche by then, its diffrent if its just on the surface then dialogue could have worked
@deepzone
it wouldnt have worked now because the mechanics of market forces have changed over the years, globalisation has been entrenched in the past couple of years more than the idiagbon time, most of the time the prices of foof stuffs increased was artificial from the market women themselves, have you ever heard of akara and moi moi seller blaming the price of fuel for the increase in the price of their wares?same as others who normally didint feel the effect of say higher fuel,currency e.t.c how d u come about the "boy" just curious,
@bawomolo
you seem to have ignored some pertinent part of my comments,first of i said that just like sankara's socialist form of govt,its in a package of both negative and positives, u cant have one without the other e.g making his ministers wear traditional hand woven african materials e.t.c moreover a regime trying to go through a paradigm shift will always meet with strong opposition, thats the sign that things are working, as for the decrees and what not im sure you will agree with me that nigeria in the millitary era was not always as settled and non volatile as it is these days in spite of the political upheavals,nothing is wrong with freedom of the press but then again you cannot totally iscountenance security reports concerning particular media houses in a military era,dont forget the chinese,japanese e.t.c went through these same trying period as well including allegations of muffling the press, while not justifying it,im saying its a necessary evil when pulling a nation out of the cess pit of corruption economic meltdown e.t.c IN A MILLITARY ERA NO LESS

_{Shey ibi le yi wa?}

mc usman

Tribalist

Na you sabi. . . . but do have in mind that there are other northerners i consider more bold, disciplined and patriotic than Idiagbon and your buhari put together; you will see one in my profile pix.

so ribadu is bolder more disciplined than idiagbon, even though he unjustly hounded atiku and his co-horts solely based on obasanjo's prompting and on flimsy excuses.
he unjustly hounded the tejuoso boy(lanre)at obasanjo's prompting just because the man was contesting against iyabo obasanjo
obasanjo's daughter s escapades i.e the health contract in austria had been on his table since a year before but he refused to act on it
what happened to the properties of the convicted 419 king pin onwude,didnt ribadu undersell some of the man's choiciest properties to his cronies and fronts for a fraction of the market price?and there have been ALLEGATIONS of same thing under him with other seized items,i know for a fact also that he collected a bmw and ten million naira from a northern governor to shield him
he is not in the same league as idiagbon AT ALL

Its really saddening to see how some nigerians are quick to right off Ribadu without highlighting his little achievements.
I am not here to compare him to Idiagbon (who i acknowledged as one of nigeria's best in my first post), but we should have in mind that unlike Ribadu, Idiagbon had all the authority, power and security to carry out all he did. Ribadu despite of the several death threats and powers trying to control him, he was stubborn enough to take the bull by the horn.

@nuzo
then you should not have said Ribadu is better/(or even comparable ) to Idiagbon. See how you opened a can of worms now? Some of these BAAD things he did, I was not even aware of!

What can of worms, i mean, what are you talking about?

Idiagbon was an Islamic fascist-Deepzone

Prices are up in Nigeria b/c of the repercussions brought by years of looting and embezzlement by corrupt northern leaders.Boy, you are so barbaric.-Deepzone

Deepzone, can you ever make a post without attacking North and Islam, even if the topic is Arsenal Vs Man-U?
Na wa for you o.

Anyway, fyi, Tunde's Idiagbon's wife is Christian.An Islamic fascist will not marry Christian and leave her to continue with her religion in his household.
Girl, you need to grow up!!!

lucabrasi:

so ribadu is bolder more disciplined than idiagbon, even though he unjustly hounded atiku and his co-horts solely based on obasanjo's prompting and on flimsy excuses.
he unjustly hounded the tejuoso boy(lanre)at obasanjo's prompting just because the man was contesting against iyabo obasanjo
obasanjo's daughter s escapades i.e the health contract in austria had been on his table since a year before but he refused to act on it
what happened to the properties of the convicted 419 king pin onwude,didnt ribadu undersell some of the man's choiciest properties to his cronies and fronts for a fraction of the market price?and there have been ALLEGATIONS of same thing under him with other seized items,i know for a fact also that he collected a bmw and ten million naira from a northern governor to shield him
he is not in the same league as idiagbon AT ALL

Both guys may have used different styles, the fact remains that if a 50-page history of corruption/indiscipline fighting in Nigeria is written, both guys will share 40 pages for their efforts.
By the way, I learnt, but not confirmed that EFCC headquarters in Abuja named after Idi-Agbon(Idi-Agbon House) has been renamed? How true? Any info on this? Who knows?

idiagbon children were going to church too, if i remember very well.

Why did that guy answer TUNDE?

That is Ilorin for you. Mixed history of Yoruba/Fulani.
Compare:
Olusola Saraki
Agboola Gambari
Alfa Belgore
Mustapha Akanbi

. . . . Yoruba/Fulani

@ife-eco
i totally disagree with you,if they both had 40 pages idiagbon's page by virtue of his works will be filled with positives, the only negatives anyone has ever been able to pin on him is quite commendable for a nigerian leader not corruption,not nepotis,not mismanagement,not tribalism but using strong arm tactics e.t.c if you had  some koboko are you saying you wouldnt have used it on some of our politicians with the way they carry on?
accepted ribadu started on a good note but in the middle started messing up and then got caught up in his own mess, i assureou that if he had not pandered to obasanjo's desires, the wrst that would have happened was that,obj would have relieved him and yar adua would have brought him back,but when they have the trappings of power,they never think of tmorrow,
atiku brought ribadu to aso rock and elevated him to the level where he towered over and above his contemporaries and superiors before getting the e.f.c.c. job but he turned round to betray his benefactor when he found a better meal ticket, that doesnt sound to me like an individual with sound principles and moral standing, which idiagbon was till his death

lucabrasi:

@ife-eco
i totally disagree with you,if they both had 40 pages idiagbon's page by virtue of his works will be filled with positives, the only negatives anyone has ever been able to pin on him is quite commendable for a nigerian leader not corruption,not nepotis,not mismanagement,not tribalism but using strong arm tactics e.t.c [b]if you had some koboko are you saying you wouldnt have used it on some of our politicians with the way they carry on?[/b]accepted ribadu started on a good note but in the middle started messing up and then got caught up in his own mess, i assureou that if he had not pandered to obasanjo's desires, the wrst that would have happened was that,obj would have relieved him and yar adua would have brought him back,but when they have the trappings of power,they never think of tmorrow,
atiku brought ribadu to aso rock and elevated him to the level where he towered over and above his contemporaries and superiors before getting the e.f.c.c. job but he turned round to betray his benefactor when he found a better meal ticket, that doesnt sound to me like an individual with sound principles and moral standing, which idiagbon was till his death

@ bold. . . LOL

Not a bad talk. We disagree to agree.

Everybody with his own side of the story.

That is Ilorin for you. Mixed history of Yoruba/Fulani.

have ever been to ilorin before you hardly can find fulani in kwara state expect those fulani who bring their cow over from the north, apart from the emir family who can claim they have links to the fulani, most of them just have muslim name like anywhere in the world, are you saying all american with muslim name are fulani ??

yes. Kwara state is mostly Yoruba. Sure there are some hausas there but the state is mostly controlled by people of yoruba tribe. Ilorin happens to be mostly yoruba as well. I went to school there and know for sure that that city is no more hausa than Oshodi is ibo. I lived there for a couple of years and do not understand why anyone in their right mind would make such a claim as the one made by one of the contributors on here but then again, I am not suprised. Do not take my word for it, go out there to see for yourself.

Nigeria1//:

have ever been to ilorin before you hardly can find fulani in kwara state expect those fulani who bring their cow over from the north, apart from the emir family who can claim they have links to the fulani, most of them just have muslim name like anywhere in the world, are you saying all american with muslim name are fulani ??

I'm from kwara.I know Ilorin and Ilorin people. There has been a longstanding debate about their origin. Some say they are descendants of Alimi,hence Fulani, some say they are from Afonja, hence Yoruba. The ruling family is fulani. Saraki, gambari and others prefer to be called Fulani, even though they bear Yioruba name and can't speak Fulani. the present emir,then Justice ibrahim kolapo Sulu Gambari, dropped hsi yoruba name,Kolapo, after becoming emir, telling you he's not Yoruba.
And even among our contemporaries,I've seen some Ilorin peers that will tell you he/she is not Yoruba.

Their history is complicated.

Any Ilorin person here to educate us? Where is luv2talk?

nuzo:

What can of worms, i mean, what are you talking about?

.

Refering to the "not so honorable" things that Ribadu did. I only knew a lot of the good stuff, I mean I've heard bits here and there but trying to elevate him when the topic is about someone else will bring out more negatives about Ribadu.

ife-eco-06 (m) you better not start telling a lie,  because those of us online,  too are yorubas ,  with family from kwara state,  an the position of emir is a religion position , are there no seriki in lagos? When this people say they are fulani,  then let Yar adua resign his position and let see, if they would allow saraki to replace him.

Or what obasanjo had hand over to saraki. what would you people say?? look no be una fault na obasanjo who did not hand over to tunde ogbeha or olusola saraki or tunde akogun, 

If you claim you are from ilorin,  what is the main market in ilorin call. and what is the meaning of idia agbon, does that sound fulani to you.

ife-eco-06:


Deepzone, can you ever make a post without attacking North and Islam, even if the topic is Arsenal Vs Man-U?
Na wa for you o.

Anyway, fyi, Tunde's Idiagbon's wife is Christian.An Islamic fascist will not marry Christian and leave her to continue with her religion in his household.
Girl, you need to grow up!!!

I am not bashing anything my brother just saying the truth or do you want me to paint the truth white just to satisfy you?. Idiagbon served under an islamic fascist and a sharia captain called  Buhari. Idiagbon believed that it is only force that can instill discipline in human beings, are we dogs?. Instead of fighting the economy with real economic professionals, he and his oga decided to use pankere to whip market men and women so they can reduce their food prices. Where else have you heard that sort of economic plan before?. The man was barbaric and schooled but very uneducated.

Idiagbon believed that it is only force that can instill discipline in human beings, are we dogs?. Instead of fighting the economy with real economic professionals, he and his oga decided to use pankere to whip market men and women so they can reduce their food prices.

idiagbon never force anybody ,but it was the soja that did that. you sometime can not control the officers. idiagbon lived in the west he was only trying to apply some of the rules,

idiagbon never force anybody ,but it was the soja that did that. you sometime can not control the officers. idiagbon lived in the west he was only trying to apply some of the rules,

soldier and not soja. In the same vein, IBB didn't steal any money because it was his aides that helped him do it. IBB lived in Asorock while he was only applying the rules.

IBB didn't steal any money because it was his aides that helped him do it.  IBB lived in Asorock while he was only applying the rules.

so how did IBB now own the mansion,  is aides built it abi?? so tell me again, when his aids stole the money, they now never built mansion for themself and they never buy private jet for themself,  they buy it for him,  Then tell IBB i want him to be my own aids,  so that IBB would build mansion for me and IBB would buy me priavte jets, 

IBB is what hausa people call barawo, a thief, ? ole , He is an arm robber, he is like all those arm robber that comes to people house to rob them, he is thief, tell him i said so.

I'm sure you will agree with me that nigeria in the millitary era was not always as settled and non volatile as it is these days in spite of the political upheavals

the last time i checked, a country in a constant state of coups is volatile.  an hardline police state is not ideal. in my opinion, soldiers should remain in the barracks.  the fact that the changes idiagbon brought were temporary is fact they weren't rooted in a good foundation. 

soldier and not soja. In the same vein, IBB didn't steal any money because it was his aides that helped him do it. IBB lived in Asorock while he was only applying the rules.

no your honor, i'm not guilty. all i did was knowingly harbor criminals.

bawomolo:

the last time i checked, a country in a constant state of coups is volatile. an hardline police state is not ideal. in my opinion, soldiers should remain in the barracks. the fact that the changes idiagbon brought were temporary is fact they weren't rooted in a good foundation.

no your honor, i'm not guilty. all i did was knowingly harbor criminals.

Well, for a government that lasted only 20 months, but was able to enforce changes that lasted well into the next administration, I have to disagree with you. Babangida was able to enjoy a couple of years of flying under the radar because of idiagbon's efforts. When I say flying under the radar, I mean, the people were not so focused on him as the country seemed to be working fine, as it did under idiagbon.

You know what make me laugh about IBB. How can person who may end up in USA prison attend United nation meeting in new york.

And do your history very well about Oyo empire. The people of kwara state are the first citizen of the Oyo empire.  do a google search you find oyo king use to get married to borgu  women because at that time it was closer to borgu people.

Another question you ask is why is the Are Onukankanfo from kwara state    It was during the expansion I once read that the present location was moved too.

And Go to ilorin and kwara state,  If you read anything about Oyo empire you would remember bashorun Gaa,   Go to ilorin and ask for

Gaa Akanbi ,

Gaa Apa
Gaa Badanwaki
Gaa Igboroko
Gaa Imam Isale
Gaa Imam Oke
Gaa Kudu
Gaa Mamudu
Gaa Oba
Gaa Sule
Budo Gaa Amadu
Budo Gaa Wara
Gaa Aiyede
Gaa Jombo
Gaa Adio
Gaa Adunjo
Gaa Aho
Gaa Alagangan
Gaa Alagba
Gaa Alapata
Gaa Alawiye
Gaa Aree
Gaa Ashi Omani
Gaa Ashi Pele
Gaa Asi Kondoro Larin
Gaa Asunkinkin
Gaa Ayu
Gaa Baako
Gaa Banni
Gaa Dana Ogun
Gaa Elepo
Gaa Fatta
Gaa Goronje
Gaa Idakureku
Gaa Idiose
Gaa Igbonla
Gaa Ijana
Gaa Ile Kofo
Gaa Jowuro
Gaa Kolofo
Gaa Labintan Audu
Gaa Lalu-Oke
Gaa Lamba
Gaa Lambe
Gaa Ogundede
Gaa Olalekan
Gaa Olloh
Gaa Olorunbo
Gaa Olumoh
Gaa Onikeke
Gaa Onipako
Gaa Onire
Gaa Oniyan
Gaa Oniyangi
Gaa Otun Ago
Gaa Paku
Gaa Ponpola
Gaa Sabi Adamu
Gaa Sanni Olose
Gaa Turawa


This is just few name,   Only them still use gaa,

Really the old oyo empire started from  kwara state. The old town of oyo is found in kwara state and it is called "Oyo Ajaka" . but one of the sons of alimi, wanted to rewrite history, so that next generation may not know the truth. He burn down the town. But kwara state should be making million of dollar from that site. oyo empire is part of the study in all universities abroad.

d only regime afta 2nd rep that had focus n implemented it. it identifyd corruptn in all its facets n fought it. d dying embers of patriotism was fanned to live. but gud pple/thingy no dey last in 9.ja.

i really wish he were in charge now unlike ds puppets in flowing parachuttes

[color=#006600][/color]he's one of our best ever leaders

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