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Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by redsun(m): 2:22pm On Nov 21, 2008
Fashola is a wise man and for those who thinks he is not doing enough,don't forget rome was not built in a day.It will take some rigorous steadfast policies and executions for things to take shape in nigeria.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by ernal(m): 2:29pm On Nov 21, 2008
No body is saying Fashola isnt do well,but enough of the song praise,Him never even complete him tenure.When him finish we know wenti to do and i agree with Ehie007.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by fyneguy: 2:53pm On Nov 21, 2008
ernal

There's nothing wrong in giving a performer pats on the back before his tenure elapses. That'll motivate him to do more.

Have you ever received a letter of commendation from your employer? or you are waiting for commendation when they sack you?
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by carnal: 3:06pm On Nov 21, 2008
Fashola is performing that i agree but it's not enough yet
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by ernal(m): 3:19pm On Nov 21, 2008
fyneboi

It is just too soon,many people still dey suffer for Lagos!
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by agaba123(m): 3:28pm On Nov 21, 2008
You have to look at what he inherited and judge him. I think he is doing great.
Provison of healthcare is not all that rosy even in the UK.
In some cases except in emergency, it may take upto a month to have an appointment with a GP and more to see a specialist.
The infrastructure may have colapsed but remember that it is easier to destroy than to rebuild. Up Fashiola, Fashy all dissers grin grin
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by ernal(m): 3:32pm On Nov 21, 2008
that one na bobo.Fashola is just a continuation of what Tinubu had in his crystal ball,dont forget Fashola was his Chief of Staff
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by Kobojunkie: 4:08pm On Nov 21, 2008
oluwdashmi:

[color=#000099]@ bodsibobo
Let me ask you this question. Have you ever asked yourself why people get promoted at work for being committed? Afterall they are appointed for such purposes. When you say 'thank you' to your driver, maid, security, okada man etc, does it mean you are a fool? NO!!!!!!


Saying thank you to an Okada man is one thing but pouring praises on the Okada man for taking you from point A to point B, even with the fact that you had to pay, sort of does make you seem like one.

oluwdashmi:

It simply means you are appreciating that person for not failing you or trying to please you and also to encourage him.

Actually, the problem is here is you are mixing praises with encouragement. The last administration got the same sort at some point, how come all those praises did not translate into encouragement?  Please, can we separate the two here. There is the act of singing someone’s praises which does not necessarily translate into encouragement.


oluwdashmi:

Now your answer.
Yes, he was elected for these purposes but if he doesn't do them, what can you do? Have you any power to remove him from power? Those who have ruled in the past or still ruling in other states and doing nothing for their states, what do people do but to what and see 2 terms past in vain.

This is the part of your post that got me interested. Why do you think, in a democracy, the people do not have the power to remove irresponsible leaders? Why are the past corrupt and inept leaders still rulling in other states and doing nothing for their states? Why do the people sit and do nothing while they watch the 2 terms pass in vain?


oluwdashmi:

This is why you appreciate a person for doing what he is appointed to do. One more thing, be objective whenever you are passing a judgment because it may be a seed that you will reap when you also get to such positions.


Why come here and then give our indolence as reason why we need to appreciate those we hire to work for us? Are you being objective when hire a person to do a job and then turn around and sing praises when he does the job he is hired to do and paid to do as well? Do you really think it is unfair for one to demand that we expect at least each person do his/her job and maybe go above and beyond to get praises?
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by funmikosh: 4:18pm On Nov 21, 2008
Mr Fashola is a nation builder, with the little he has done he has really made a name, ever in the history of Nigeria/Lagos will his name be one of the Best Governor, Sir Tuune is a 2derfull man.

May God Almighty continue to promote and sustain him in everything.
God's wisdom will always be his friend Amen

Friends lets learn from Mr. Fashola, he is a good mentor
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by basking4me: 6:28pm On Nov 21, 2008
I have discovered that Nigerians Generally like to distance themselves from government and now claim neglect from government. We need reorientation in Lagos.

We also need discipline. I think more laws should be enacted to ensure cleaniness of Lagos. It is only when strictrules are in place that Nigerians tend to be serious with issues.

While we were in school, we were always debating on 'capital punishments by teachers on students', most of us never really liked the cane & other forms of capital punishment', but what would you have with the cane or even punishment if you are not culpable.

Capital punishment should be introduced to Lagos State to maintain law and order. If you are not culpable, you wont dread it. It the best way to ensure sanity and compliance. It will also ensure that the turn around for the state is effected in a very short time.

Singapore runs such and they are the better for it today.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by fyneguy: 8:31pm On Nov 21, 2008
@ernal

how are people suffering in Lagos?

a situation whereby nobody requires visa to enter Lagos, which even is more populated than some visa-issuing countries today, has its attendant consequences.

Do you expect Fashola to be paying people unemployment allowance? Let him try it and see if Lagos population wont grow to 150 million people.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by OBVIOUS(m): 8:36pm On Nov 21, 2008
Saying thank you to an Okada man is one thing but pouring praises on the Okada man for taking you from point A to point B, even with the fact that you had to pay, sort of does make you seem like one.



Right on!!!!
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by basking4me: 8:43pm On Nov 21, 2008
FINEGUY, AM REALLY FEELING U HERE OOOO!!1

rIDE ON BRO, 'SO THE WHOLE NIGERIA CAN EMPTY INTO LAGOS IF FASHOLA PAYS US, ?' shocked
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by bodsibobo(m): 8:59pm On Nov 21, 2008
Quote from: oluwdashmi on Today at 01:32:57 PM
[color=#000099]@ bodsibobo
Let me ask you this question. Have you ever asked yourself why people get promoted at work for being committed? Afterall they are appointed for such purposes. When you say 'thank you' to your driver, maid, security, okada man etc, does it mean you are a fool? NO!!!!!!


Saying thank you to an Okada man is one thing but pouring praises on the Okada man for taking you from point A to point B, even with the fact that you had to pay, sort of does make you seem like one.

Quote from: oluwdashmi on Today at 01:32:57 PM
It simply means you are appreciating that person for not failing you or trying to please you and also to encourage him.


Actually, the problem is here is you are mixing praises with encouragement. The last administration got the same sort at some point, how come all those praises did not translate into encouragement?  Please, can we separate the two here. There is the act of singing someone’s praises which does not necessarily translate into encouragement.

Quote from: oluwdashmi on Today at 01:32:57 PM
Now your answer.
Yes, he was elected for these purposes but if he doesn't do them, what can you do? Have you any power to remove him from power? Those who have ruled in the past or still ruling in other states and doing nothing for their states, what do people do but to what and see 2 terms past in vain.


This is the part of your post that got me interested. Why do you think, in a democracy, the people do not have the power to remove irresponsible leaders? Why are the past corrupt and inept leaders still rulling in other states and doing nothing for their states? Why do the people sit and do nothing while they watch the 2 terms pass in vain?

Quote from: oluwdashmi on Today at 01:32:57 PM
This is why you appreciate a person for doing what he is appointed to do. One more thing, be objective whenever you are passing a judgment because it may be a seed that you will reap when you also get to such positions.

Why come here and then give our indolence as reason why we need to appreciate those we hire to work for us? Are you being objective when hire a person to do a job and then turn around and sing praises when he does the job he is hired to do and paid to do as well? Do you really think it is unfair for one to demand that we expect at least each person do his/her job and maybe go above and beyond to get praises?

@KOBOJUNKIE

Thanks Kobojunkie for replying him/her. I read the posts and thought it would be a waste of time responding to someone that has this kind of mindset.

@oluwadashmi

I run an organisation for which the goals and expectations were made clear to me upon acceptance of the position. I evaluated things vis-a-vis my ability to deliver and I accepted. The scenario can be likened to Fashola's position and to me it is result-oriented/performance-driven.

If I meet the targets set for me, that is what I am paid for and it earns me promotion and continued stay at the helm of affairs. If I underperform or fail, I get the boot and the company looks for someone else who can perform. If I knew I would be hindered from performing I would not have taken the position/declined the job.

Fashola, campaigned and delivered his manifesto (promising he will fix roads, street lights, hospitals, schools etc. Lagosians(?) chose him, and he has been given the resources to perform just that. If he does, he's doing what his job entails (and which he fully understood at the time of his running for the position) and for which he is very well remunerated. If he doesn't he should be booted out and someone who can do the job should be put there by Lagosians(?)!

My point still remains that he simply should not be praised for doing the job he applied for, and for which he's very well paid by you (the praise-singer)! Or you don't know he's paid by you?

The silly excuses from some quarters that 'shebi some other governors in some other states are not doing anything at all' further shows that Nigeria's problems sometimes isn't with our government, but with the governed. cry
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by cabali(m): 9:11pm On Nov 21, 2008
This is another garbage, I am fishing you guys out
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by cabali(m): 9:12pm On Nov 21, 2008
If he shouldnt be praised then why do u praise the US goverments and other countries; are they not also doing what they were voted in to do?

rubbish
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by bodsibobo(m): 9:41pm On Nov 21, 2008
Who is praising the US govt and other countries?
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by bodsibobo(m): 9:50pm On Nov 21, 2008
If you guys like, go on singing his praises throughout his 1st term; sing his praises through his 2nd term; beg him to stay for 3rd term so you can sing his praises the more.

yeye
persons. tongue

It really does not remove a strand of hair from my head - who no know, no go ever know!
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by cabali(m): 9:52pm On Nov 21, 2008
you have made comparisons one time or another.

Look! y'all can hate it or not!! The guy does well, he WILL be praised! you dont like it, eat a d!@k and thats finally.

Donald did it in Cross River and he is still praised till today! if it all annoys you then you are probably the type that will go in as governor and not perform a quarter as much as what Fashola has done so far in your entire reign period
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by bodsibobo(m): 10:18pm On Nov 21, 2008
if it all annoys you then you are probably the type that will go in as governor and not perform a quarter as much as what Fashola has done so far in your entire reign period

I have no intention of running for governorship, eh, but what we are telling you guys is to quit all these sycophancy; quit all these hypocrisy; quit all these mediocrity, its not taking the country anywhere!

Eh bros, Thats how you make these people feel like gods so tey thet begin to use siren all over the place and flogging the citizenry/the praise singers.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by Kobojunkie: 10:47pm On Nov 21, 2008
How about we leave the PRAISES AND ADULATIONS for when they go ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY?? I mean if we SING PRAISES AND HAIL them When they do their JOB, what do we do when they go ABOVE AND BEYOND? OFFER UP HUMAN SACRIFIES AND MAKE THEM gods?? ROFLMAO!!!


and we wonder why they never seem to go above and beyond. They practically get all the caressing needed when they do one or two things right , roflmao!!
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by fyneguy: 11:59pm On Nov 21, 2008
@kobojunkies

If getting the praises and adulations is ok, then when they get it doesnt matter. Besides Fashola aint one of those gays that allow praises get into their skulls and lose focus.

It's obvious u dont know this guy.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by Kobojunkie: 5:46am On Nov 22, 2008
fyneguy:

@kobojunkies

If getting the praises and adulations is ok, then when they get it doesnt matter. Besides Fashola aint one of those gays that allow praises get into their skulls and lose focus.

It's obvious u don't know this guy.


Sure. Let us forget that wisdom tells us that even parents that not boast of knowing the minds of their kids. @Fyneguy here has assured us all that he knows Fashola's mind and so we all must do according to what Fyneguy says, even if we admit we each can not say 100% that we know this man enough to make the same claim as @Fyneguy here claims. Let us all throw wisdom out the door cause @Fyneguy here has Fashola ALL FIGURED OUT. grin
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by fyneguy: 6:30am On Nov 22, 2008
@kobojunkies

Your resort to sarcasm was so misplaced.

My point is Fashola started off with a clearcut vision on what he wanted to do for Lagos and he derives his motivation from within. Sorry I applied some neurolinguistic and neurosemantic logics to arrive at this. His metaprogram classifies him as a self-charging individual and such people dont get carried away by adulations and praises. They keep working at achieving their set goals with or without adulations during the process.

The bottom line is encomiums showered on him at this stage, will rather leave an impression of appreciation for his good job on him.

Honestly it beats my imagination that you guys are against it. This may be misconstrued as envy.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by Kobojunkie: 6:57am On Nov 22, 2008
fyneguy:

@kobojunkies

Your resort to sarcasm was so misplaced.

My point is Fashola started off with a clearcut vision on what he wanted to do for Lagos and he derives his motivation from within. Sorry I applied some neurolinguistic and neurosemantic logics to arrive at this. His metaprogram classifies him as a self-charging individual and such people don't get carried away by adulations and praises. They keep working at achieving their set goals with or without adulations during the process.

The bottom line is encomiums showered on him at this stage, will rather leave an impression of appreciation for his good job on him.

Honestly it beats my imagination that you guys are against it. This may be misconstrued as envy.



You really wonder why I chose to respond to you the way I did?

First, I would like for you to  show were I have actually posted that I AM AGAINST FASHOLA DOING HIS JOB. Just one place.

Do you really expect me to take you seriously when you DIRECT responses that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY POSTS AT ME, coming up with these utterly ridiculous reasons to explain your continued choice to PRAISE A MAN FOR DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE IS HIRED AND PAID TO DO?

If you want to impress at least aim to wow me with some intelligent, well-thought out come back, not the typical Nigerian retort for such mediocre approach, and then expect me to be impressed. I am sorry, I have already made myself clear. Either you continue showering them praises and accepting those that offer you less as they are OR you get up, stand up and act like the Boss that you really are. If you cannot, then accept we will not all see it as you do and that does not mean you know the man better, as you have convinced yourself you do, and you are not necessarily doing him any good sitting and cheering instead of making sure that he continues his work by making sure he understands you are not just here to kiss his ass but give him the boot should he wane. Like I said, I wonder what we will do in Nigeria when we actually ever get civil SERVANTS who go above and beyond. Offer them human sacrifices??
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by fyneguy: 7:26am On Nov 22, 2008
kobojunkie


You must be a bad boss! lol
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by Kobojunkie: 7:45am On Nov 22, 2008
fyneguy:

kobojunkie


You must be a bad boss! lol

No, I happen to be a good one.

I have worked at one time or another with persons from all over the place.
I can tell you that I have not had the most pleasant experience working with fellow Nigerians though. We mostly seem to have this relaxed attitude to work, and I find this to be especially true with many of the Nigerians who are new to the place. Some I have known, approached the job with an air of entitlement, while some others expected to be praised for any little work done. I have had to learn the hard way that doing my job is what I am paid for, and if I expect to get more ( awards, promotions and the likes), I would have to be extraordinary (go above and beyond).

I have tried working with a couple on various projects here and there and I keep running into the same kind - those who are more willing to tell you what to do and how to do it, rather than do just what they are told to do, even if they do not think it ought to be so.

But back to the issue. How can we expect government to get better when it seems that every new administration is ushered in with its own PRAISE AND WORSHIP TEAM, even when work that is being paid for is barely being done. Babangida still has many who sing his praises, even after the end of his administration and all the looting. Did all the songs of praise really encourage him to do better? Do you really think those who sing his praises to date do not claim to know him more than I or you can? Take Yar adua for instance. Do you know he also has a PRAISE AND WORSHIP TEAM?Atiku had a PRAISE AND WORSHIP TEAM as well. Obasanjo still has a PRAISE AND WORSHIP TEAM even here on nairaland. So Does Tinubu and the many others before him. There is also a PRAISE AND WORSHIP TEAM for Peter Obi in Anambra and God knows what the fate of the Niger bridge is to date.

We have made it a part of us to transform these mere employees into heroes for practically doing nothing in most cases, and some for doing the very job that we hire and pay them to do. Then we turn around and wonder why, while we were busy neglecting our own duties as employers, the company( country) does not seem to be getting better, quicker.

The point is this, instead of repeating the same old nonsense and settling for what we get in the end, how about we start acting like the BOSSES we really are and demanding no less than what we deserve. If they go above and beyond, we will be there to award them for such but till then, can we at least DO OUR OWN PART OF THE JOB? Organizing yet another praise and worship team is not part of the people's job in a democracy.
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by cabali(m): 8:49am On Nov 22, 2008
@ kobo

if u do an honest poll u will find out the people who work for you cant stand your arse.
You are the type who wont support the rewarding of staff for job well done simply cos that is what they are paid for.

why do people praise clinton or abraham lincoln till date? Did they not just do what they were voted to do?

if the praises annoy u, i suggest you leave cos he's gon' get praised for every achiement and you just might have a heart attack
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by Kobojunkie: 9:17am On Nov 22, 2008
Roflmao!!

Amazing how people like you get infuriated, and switch to attack mode when your actions are question.

Don't worry, because people like Lincoln and Clintons are still being praised out in America, feel free to create your own Nigerian idols, even though they do not measure up to the american ones you mentioned there, so you can feel good with yourself.

At least maybe your creating your own idols of what you have there in Nigeria will make you feel like your american counterparts. No need attacking my person since you will never know half of what I know of how good my life is. Just keep up the PRAISE AND WORSHIP session there. Don't bother feeding the same old loaf of how those sessions contribute more to the building of the nation than my questioning your reasoning does. I have heard it all before, so please spare us all!! grin
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by ernal(m): 11:31am On Nov 22, 2008
@ kobojunke

I will sing your praise,being following your posts.We need more people like you mayb finally we can make our change.

Everyone else I sing una praise.Happy weekend!
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by cabali(m): 12:37pm On Nov 22, 2008
@ Kobo

Good you have heeded my advice and u have therefore some humour in it to ease the pressure. There is nothing you can do about it. What have you even done for ur people huh? U will never know how it is!

just watch that blood pressure cos we are proud we have a governor that has started using our money to make life easy for us. You just remain silent cos it really does not affect you directly right?!!
Re: Lagosians: Is Fashola The Expected Messiah? by dayokanu(m): 1:08pm On Nov 22, 2008
Why do some employers award Staff of the year/month when these staff are basically doing what they are employed and paid to do?

Fashola does not need to perform like Lincoln or Clinton to be praised because countries differ.

Any ruler who stops war in Sudan/Iraq/Afghan would be a hero and any president who brings inflation to 100% in Zimbabwe would be canonised.

Nobody makes manifestoes of I would build road, I would give electricity or I would give water in the US because these are norms

If anyone can improve significantly on the norm, he deserves heaven high praises
like Lincoln and Clinton get

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