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Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 3:41pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
Weah96:yes God killed them, however ,the question is what is there crime? Why did you not give the whole story?do you love your children? If they did bad things,your love require justice on them. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by Weah96: 3:42pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
malvisguy212: People who take Ayahuasca, peyote, and Amanita mushroom report witnessing similar visions. These are all scheduled ONE substances in the US. Are you willing to admit that your writer may have consumed or ingested psychedelic substances? |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by Weah96: 3:44pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
malvisguy212: You need Jesus, my brother. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 3:45pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
Weah96:I do not understand you here. Thank you for your time. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 3:46pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
Weah96:do you know me? |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by Weah96: 3:54pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
malvisguy212: The book of revelations describes events that are similar to the visions of people who take "spiritual drugs," particularly the Amanita muscaria mushroom. Normal people do not see angels flying at them while carrying hot coals in their hands. One must be "geeking balls" to make that observation. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 4:06pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
Until we realise that the bible is just a story book, we're going nowhere 1. Why did God kill the Pharoah of the Exodus? You might say it was because he enslaved the Israelites. But I also ask you: what would you have done if you were in Pharoah's shoes? You are a monarch and you have strangers living in your kingdom and you're scared they might rise up against you, what course of action will you take? And don't forget that God himself sanctioned slavery among the Israelites. Secondly, why didn't God allow Pharoah to release the Israelites after the first plague? But he insisted on hardening Pharoah's heart until he has succeeded in killing all the first-borns of Egypt? Even is we say that Pharoah did evil, all those first born creatures that God killed, what were their crimes? Exodus 12: 29 2 Likes |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by Lex11(m): 4:09pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
OP, our "righteousnesses are as filthy rags" - (Isaiah 64:6) & we, before salvation by God's grace alone, are dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1)... so, we don't "allow" God to change us, He sovereignly and mercifully does so according to His perfect will. "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." - Romans 9:14-16 ________________ "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." - Deuteronomy 32:4 |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 4:16pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
2. Why did God tell Saul to go and wipe out Amalek? Just because their ancestors refused passage to the people of Israel? I Samuel 15: 1-3 He didn't even instruct that they be wiped out because of their own sins. Rather because of the sins of their ancestors. Is that the way of a just God? His instruction to Saul was: "Don't leave a thing; kill all the men, women, children and babies; the cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys." - I Samuel 15: 3b And, OP, this is your interpretation of God's justice? And to show you how wicked that was, when King Saul refused to kill everything (he killed only what was useless or worthless - I Samuel 15: 9b), God removed him and his descendants from kingship. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 4:20pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
3. Bathsheba, Uriah's wife conceived a son for David. And God caused this child to become very ill - II Samuel 12: 15b. And this boy persisted in this illness even unto his death in spite of all the prayers, fasting, and sacrifices that David made. God pretended not to hear him until this boy died. What was this innocent boy's crime? |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 4:30pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
4. At a time, David was taking the Ark of covenant from Kiriath Jearim to Jerusalem. I Chronicles 13: 5 At a point along the journey, the oxen carrying the ark stumbled and the ark was about to fall. And a certain man, Uzzah, whose duty it was to guide the Ark together with Ahio ( I Chronicles 13: 7 )stretched out his hands to stop the ark from falling. He was actually doing his job. The bible reported that God became angry with him and struck him down and killed him immediately. I Chronicles 13: 10 And this is a God who is rumored to be slow in anger. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 4:40pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
5. God killed (or should I say allowed Satan to kill) almost all of Job's servants except those who made the reports of the tragedies to Job and also killed all of Job's children Job 1: 14-15; 17; 18-19. What crime did those servants and children of Job commit that warranted their deaths? |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 5:26pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:I don't want to respond to this post because of your ignorance but for the sake of reader I will respond with a single sentence. God ask pharoah to let the isrealite go,did pharoah obey? If pharoah obey do you think God will kill pharoah? Anyway, thank you for your contribution. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by tartar9(m): 5:32pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
Just say what you usually say"it is the will of God"or the"He works in mysterious ways"claims for there is nothin to defend.seriously! |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 5:32pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:bible never record the deed of the servant or the children but one thing we can learn is this;job offer sacrifice to God every morning for cleansing of his children, with this we can say his children are sinner.moreover God bless him with many children at the end. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by tartar9(m): 5:39pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:thats if you keep viewing death as some punishment.to the muslim its Allah's releasing from this prison. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by herald9: 5:41pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
malvisguy212: #shakingmyheadin360degrees again...you need Jesus! |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 5:43pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:The Ark of the Covenant contains things that reflect God’s holiness and His faithfulness. A sinner cannot near it not to talk of touch it,even a priest must purified himself before coming close to it, |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 5:47pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:The sentence of condemnation against the Amalekites had gone forth long before, Ex 17:14; De 25:19, but they had been spared till they filled up the measure of their sins. We are sure that the righteous Lord does no injustice to any. The remembering the kindness of the ancestors of the Kenites, in favour to them, at the time God was punishing the injuries done by the ancestors of the Amalekites, tended to clear the righteousness of God in this dispensation. See others verse that prove the amalekites were disobedience to God: Genesis 36:12 Esau's son Eliphaz also had a concubine named Timna, who bore him Amalek. These were grandsons of Esau's wife Adah. Exodus 17:8 The Amalekites came and attacked the Israelites at Rephidim. Numbers 24:20 Then Balaam saw Amalek and spoke his message: "Amalek was first among the nations, but their end will be utter destruction." Deuteronomy 25:17 Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. Psalm 83:7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. Treasury of Scripture Exodus 17:8-16 Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim… Numbers 24:20 And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek … Deuteronomy 25:17-19 Remember what Amalek did to you by the way, when you were come forth … from the beginning the Amalek are aginst God people,but God is paitence with them until there evil deed were full, they fall in the judgment of God. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 5:51pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
tartar9:to wipe away evil is not in the will of God,evil must exist for people like you to have option to hate or love God. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by gbengarock: 6:48pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
Romans 9:10-18 Romans 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by gbengarock: 7:36pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis: Have u read any of these? Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Ezekiel 18:19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. dont pick a verse in isolation...itz not good for ur health |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by dalaman: 8:07pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Same way the christians in Nigeria are all falling into Allah's judgement in the hands of boko haram. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 9:00pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
dalaman:christians don't fight for God. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 9:07pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
Lex11:thank you for your contribution. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 9:44pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
gbengarock: Sorry to ask, sir, but are you daft? Is it not obvious to you that the two passages you quoted are in direct contradiction to each other? And you're telling me not to pick a verse in isolation? I was answering the OP's question. And you haven't answered mine: The children and babies God ordered Saul to kill, what were their crimes? None of you ever seem to answer any questions. When questions arise, you all cower behind ur bible. 2 Likes |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 9:57pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:the book of exedus was talking about universal sin while the book of ezekiel was not a universal sin, the bible say the soul that sinneth it shall die ,isaiah say the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. If you read the op again, you will see were i address the issue of the babies. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 10:01pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Lol. Christians sef. Sometimes I wonder if you guys read your bibles at all. So I'm the one who is ignorant, huh? I wonder if you've come across this passage of the bible: I wonder how my earlier post depicts ignorance on my part. You Christians are always fond of handing out insults anyhow. Upon all the bible that u read. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 10:08pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
malvisguy212: What is this one talking about? What did Augustine of Hippo say about killing heretics? What did Pope Urban II say about instituting crusades against Saladin and other muslims who were winning lands for the arabs? What did Cardinal Richelieu say about killing the Huguenots in France? What did Queen Mary, daughter Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragorn, say about killing protestants in England? They were all fighting for God. They all believed they were doing the work of God. They all believed they would be blessed for fighting such wars. Infact, the popes granted plenary indulgences to anyone who participated in the crusades. So what are u talking about? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by nobilis: 10:17pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
You christians think that reading the bible makes one wise by default. OP, you asked if God killed innocent people and I've given you instances of where God killed innocent people and I've asked you the crimes those people committed and you have nothing to say. 1. You tell me Uzzah was unclean and shouldn't have touched the Ark since he wasn't a priest or levite. Since he was neither of those, why was he chosen to guide the Ark? Read your bible very well. It was his and Ahio's duty to guide the Ark while the others danced along the way ( I Chronicles 13: 7-8 ). It was his duty to guide the Ark. Isn't it his duty to prevent the Ark from falling? Yet he was killed. 2. What crime did the children and babies of Amalek commit? 3. What crime did David's first son with Bathsheba commit? Infact, arguing with u christians is just a waste of precious time. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 10:25pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:long before exodus chapter 7,pharaoh has already disobey God. Exodus 5:1 And afterward Moses and Aaron came and said to Pharaoh, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, 'Let My people go that they may celebrate a feast to Me in the wilderness.'" 2 But Pharaoh said, "Who is the LORD that I should obey His voice to let Israel go? I do not know the LORD, and besides, I will not let Israel go." Not only he reject God command but he said 'beside' I will not let isreal go,he know what he was benefiting from the slavery. |
Re: Did God Realy Killed Innocent People As Claim By Atheist? by malvisguy212: 10:41pm On Dec 07, 2014 |
nobilis:honestly am tired of explaining this to you.let me explain it for the last time. Read this passage from the bible. 'Exodus 25:14-15 (NIV) 14 Insert the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry it. 15 The poles are to remain in the rings of this ark; they are not to be removed.' Uzzah did not touch the ark while guiding it, poles was seth on the rings beside the ark,it was the poles they carry.Hence, when Uzzah touched the ark, he was profaning it and disobeying God; he should have grabbed the poles used for carrying the ark instead, for that was their purpose ( Ex 25:14-15). , the ark shouldn't have been on a cart anyway, but should have been carried on people's shoulders ( 1 Chr 15:15). ark of God. The Ark of the Covenant was an embodiment of God's presence with the Israelites. The atonement cover (or "mercy seat" that covered the ark was God's throne ( 2 Sam 6:2) and God's presence was above it (Lev 16:2); it was also the place where God met Moses and gave him commands (Ex 25:22). If someone approached the ark, they would effectively be in God's presence - a sinner standing before a holy God who does not tolerate evil ( Ps 5:4-6) - and would die as a result of their sins. For this reason, God had given the Israelites many rules concerning the Ark of the Covenant. It was to be kept in the Most Holy Place in the temple, hidden from view by a curtain ( Ex 26:33). Only the high priest could enter the Most Holy Place, and then only after he had undergone ceremonial cleansing, made sacrifices to atone for his sins and the nation's sins, and burned incense to conceal the atonement cover ( Lev 16). |
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