Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceive the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

philfearon:

I don't know how else to put this bro(don't take it the wrong way),but you are living in fools-paradise!!
Abramelin magic my foot!!

There exists an arbitrary line between spellcraft and ceremonial magic. No need for the suggested feud folks.

Jameselias:
i understand but look at it this way there is a huge gap b/w knowing some thing and practising it, all what u wrote is in the field of knowledge, not application, b/cos i am sure with only that knowledge u will not be able now to create a potent and effective charm, of course using spells that will have a tangible effect in this material world of our,or on any material whatsoever,

Sho nuff!

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Jameselias:
philfearon what iam saying is this, all what u wrote is a system of witchcraft (magic) but it's not the only system i believe u know?, i have passed that level, what i am now looking for, is a system that enables or aids one to exert his or her will to be carried out in the cosmos just as exactely how and when he or she wants it, i know u don't have it,? but don't u believe there is such a system?

Are you a true ceremonial magician? if you are, what you seek lies within the ambit of ceremonial magick as it lies within a lot of other variants of the occult culture. Indeed, the occult is such a maze that should you not know what you really want to specialise on doing, you could waste precious time being a Jack of all trades and master of none.

smartn09:
l may wish to leak the Secret of effective spellcraft & casting fo the sake of new students here.ln the field of spellcrafting, timing is said to be everything. Example: fine -tuning your spell, using moon faces, the daily solar face,days of the week,seasons of the year & planetary hours, can reward you faster / immediate results .Ie as a spellcaster you must know all these energies and how to incorporate them for successful daily spellcasting and you should as well know the importance of "correspondences" in spellcasting.when you hear that spell takes circutious route /Part of least resistance to manifest results, it simply means that it takes a way in which an amateur wil not know that the results has come.Example: you may cast a spell for a targeted lady, you may be suprise to welcome two good ladies intoyour life within the week for sexual life while your very target has not responded. Y! because what actually is your need is sex and not the very girl you casted a spell for.But in magic, you get what you bid.so to become an adept you need serious studies to get everything right. In summary the results can be instant/immediate based on the type of energy used as mentioned above.

Yáll keep neglecting the darker side of seemingly harmless dabbling in the occult (spellcasting or summoning of infernal beings possess the ingredients of things going south).

So, dilettantes, don't just get some herbs together read a book and start casting a spell for wealth....always remember the possibility that something might just come visiting...whatever it is.

Isaiah 46:9 These two things will happen to you
suddenly, in one day:
loss of children and widowhood.
They will happen to you in their entirety,
in spite of your many sorceries
and the potency of your spells.

Deuteronomy 18:10 No one among you is to make his son or daughter pass through the fire,5 practice * divination, tell fortunes, interpret omens, practice sorcery, 11 cast spells, consult a medium or a familiar spirit, or inquire of the dead. 12 Everyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and the LORD your God is driving out the nations before you because of these detestable things. 13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 Though these nations you are about to drive out listen to fortune-tellers and diviners, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do this.

Justeenaleo:

Very well

good to know!

4C2215131:


Yáll keep neglecting the darker side of seemingly harmless dabbling in the occult (spellcasting or summoning of infernal beings possess the ingredients of things going south).

So, dilettantes, don't just get some herbs together read a book and start casting a spell for wealth....always remember the possibility that something might just come visiting...whatever it is.

merry meet, can you be more clearer for my understanding.

mauriceju2:
Deuteronomy 18:10 No one among you is to make his son or daughter pass through the fire,5 practice * divination, tell fortunes, interpret omens, practice sorcery, 11 cast spells, consult a medium or a familiar spirit, or inquire of the dead. 12 Everyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and the LORD your God is driving out the nations before you because of these detestable things. 13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 Though these nations you are about to drive out listen to fortune-tellers and diviners, the LORD your God has not permittedi you to do this.

folk tales & gods are two different things that you may has failed to understand. Until u know the meaning of God, you can never comprehend your bible, it is a good literature for dummies anyway .

smartn09:
merry meet, can you be more clearer for my understanding.

What I'm saying is this; most posts on the occult (sincere posts and not some Satanic membership bullcrap, Illuminati horseshit or a self-righteous, seemingly over-pious christian rant against occultism) never seem to mention that it is an art for the intrepid of spirit and should be treated with care and caution. The onus is on you guys to let folks know this as if you go on deliberating on occult issues (which is welcome by the way) without spelling out this caveat some knucklehead just might be tempted to download The Seventh Book of Moses (which by the way is a corrupted version of the real thing that is mostly available online hence making it all the more dangerous or not dangerous at all-that's the occult for you, you just might luck out and go scot-free for dabbling or pay the full price ala eating your own feaces or counting the number of hairs in your armpits or worse still have a meeting with your creator far before the scheduled time) and attempt some botched conjuration thinking himself to be a mage.

smartn09:
yea! May l be more elaborate, spellcrafting & casting is never religious in history rather a sorts of symbolic action that changes the physical reality to the caster' s desire by definition. It is always seen as witch ' s way by the masses. Back to your question, l'm a born spell caster. Coming back soon to tell why it's n't right to teach the untageted people about spellcrafting. Note, this is far different from ceremonial magic.

isnt spell casting part if ceremonial magick?, one if the function of ceremonial magick is to gather enough power to boost a spell, they practically the same.

Spell casting is just the utterance, ceremonial magick is the ritual behind or backing the utterance.

omat20:
Guys it depends on the type of magic you choose. For me I do white magic majorly. Dark magic sucks out my energy and there are consequences on every spell you cast.

there is a consequence on all spells cast, thats why you'shud'nt outter spell of language or interpretation you dont know or understand, the mere act of spell casting zaps ur energy

Can someone enlighten me n the difference between African Traditional Religion and satanism?

Haoqi24:
Can someone enlighten me n the difference between African Traditional Religion and satanism?

first, why do u ask? Do u have interest in any? Or are u a traditionalist? Well if u care to know satanism is not a religion it's a solitery path taken by the illumined ones.

Jameselias:
first, why do u ask? Do u have interest in any? Or are u a traditionalist? Well if u care to know satanism is not a religion it's a solitery path taken by the illumined ones.

To the first question, just a curious guy on the path of self knowledge.
I have interest in anything that makes me understand myself better, also I have read on both and kinda seen a link in both practice, both have rituals, both believe in self has the ultimate n connection to "THE ALL", both have religious practises. Though I am more interested in ATR because na my Egun dem start am, so it's encoded in my DNA. Are you a satanist?

Jameselias:
first, why do u ask? Do u have interest in any? Or are u a traditionalist? Well if u care to know satanism is not a religion it's a solitery path taken by the illumined ones.

To the first question, just a curious guy on the path of self knowledge.
I have interest in anything that makes me understand myself better, also I have read on both and kinda seen a link in both practice, both have rituals, both believe in self has the ultimate n connection to "THE ALL", both have religious practises. Though I am more interested in ATR because na my Egun dem start am, so it's encoded in my DNA. Are you a satanist?

Haoqi24:



To the first question, just a curious guy on the path of self knowledge.
I have interest in anything that makes me understand myself better, also I have read on both and kinda seen a link in both practice, both have rituals, both believe in self has the ultimate n connection to "THE ALL", both have religious practises. Though I am more interested in ATR because na my Egun dem start am, so it's encoded in my DNA. Are you a satanist?

yep all arcane knowlledge and practices is basically the same with just slit differences,
Are you a satanist? Yep, innitiated one at that.
but i think we are of the same kind. What u wrote up there also apply to me.

Hiswordxray:

The "pink boy" method works even faster than your silly method. Whenever I need something it doesn't take me time to get it because God had given everything He has to me. All I need to do is reach out in the spirit and take it; simple and fast!

But your method doesn't work and you know it.

He misunderstood the LOA....which is in tandem with God's desire and plan for us...IMO
So the "pink boy" agrees with him too
Cheers

joseph1832:
This still sound like the law of attraction to me. At least what you described here is no different from what Rhonda Byrne described in her book.

Never forget, thought and will also involve the mind!

Hi
What do you think about Rhonda and her books and beliefs?
I found them very illumunating...actually, somehow, drew me closer to God too
You?