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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by ChristyG(f): 10:58am On Mar 13, 2015 |
havennie:and that is just one way one person,like I said they are in d tiny minority that reason that way,I know many from that area but none of them claim one silly 'illorin' tribe.they are very few,that is why d op is wondering why inter tribal marriage between them is low despite being in d same state,it is not like warri where most people have parents from different tribes |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Nowenuse: 11:28am On Mar 13, 2015 |
ChristyG: Kogi and Kwara yorubas are not discriminated by SW yorubas, but there are many yorubas in the southwest who do not know of the existence of yorubas outside the southwest I have interacted with some yorubas from the southwest and do u know that to my amazement many of them are not even aware that indigenous yorubas exist in Kogi? A particular lady from Oyo state i was speaking with told me that some Kogi people only answer yoruba names but they can never be yorubas, and i was trying to let her understand that those answering yoruba names from Kogi were actually yorubas by tribe but she disagreed that kogi is not part of Yoruba land. Denying someone of their identity, now tell me, is that not enough discrimination? When Southwest leaders, elders or governors hold their meetings, Kwara n Kogi yoruba elders n leaders do not attend. That is kimd of preventing them from associating with their people. I have also heard from Someone who said that during his school days in ABU zaria, a particular scholarship or bursary offer came for Yoruba students to the school. Yoruba students from Kogi n Kwara applied but none of them were granted, as they were told that the scholarship does not include yorubas outside the southwest, that is was meant for only those from Ogun, Oyo, Ekiti, Osun, Ondo n Lagos. Now tell me, what do u call that? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Nowenuse: 11:32am On Mar 13, 2015 |
ChristyG: The mixed yorubas may not be more than the pure ones but the mixed yorubas of Kwara central plis the Nupes, baribas and fulanis of Kwara north may equal the population of the pure yorubas in the state. so u see? Also, these mixed yorubas who u deem as small in population but yet they have a stronger political say in the state .Probably I think that is why no person from Kwara south has ever ruled Kwara state, because Kwara south is d stronghold of pure yorubas. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by ChristyG(f): 12:16pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
Nowenuse:how do u want to believe ur story of one ignorant lady u met,and use that to jugde for other yorubas,u are just generalizing with ur one person stories to jugde both side,which yoruba does not know okun or kabba person or does not know omu aran or offa because they are not in d south west(a very foo.lish one)the truth is that yorubas in d sw dont treat them the way their so called middle belt treat them that is why most of them prefer us or u want to tell me u know more about the south west than i do,mr middle belt,u should come to south west and see how they are being 'discriminated'against instead of basing ur jugdements on 'one person' stories. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by ChristyG(f): 12:28pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
Nowenuse:the present governor ahmed is from ifelodun where the ethnic group there is yoruba,no mixed rubbish there.so i dont what u mean by no pure yoruba,u are just assuming nigga. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Fulaboy(m): 12:59pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
Fulaman198:nope. My fomer moniker is baffah96 |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Nowenuse: 3:58pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
Fulaman198: Pls when u say every fulani, i hope u are referring to only those in Nigeria? cos i know there are so many fulani christians in other west african countries like Gambia n Guinèe. For me i can never call some of those fulani bororo muslims, some dont go to mosques at all and they practice all manner of diabolical activities. Even the real town fulanis/hausanized fulanis do not regard fulani bororo as real muslims. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Nowenuse: 4:06pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
ChristyG: I have really observed that u are a lady who argues without intelligence, maturity, objectivity and facts so i decline debating with u further. But just for the records, i only used those stories to make an example to u out of the many instances i have come across, so dont have the misconception that i was passing a judgement only based on my discussion with the Oyo lady. Yeah, Ifelodun has pure yorubas, but Ilorin (the largest city n capital of Kwara) has so many mixed yorubas e.g the likes of the Saraki family. And find out from anyone who knows the political settings of Ilorin very well, they will tell u that the mixed yorubas have a larger political dominance over Ilorin. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Fulaman198(m): 4:10pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
Nowenuse: I am referring to every Fulani from Senegal to Sudan, Christian Fulani are not even up to 1 million. They are less than 1% of the population. Do they exist? Yes however they are a very recent phenomenon |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by notoriousbabe: 6:48pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by anonymous6(f): 7:48pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
dapipson: Thats one of the reasons Yoruba muslims tend to intermingle with themselves then intermingle with muslim Hausa's to a extent. I think theres is a respect amonst them in the end of the day cause I don't see both groups insulting each other like crazy but there is a quiet separation between the two and has to do with what you mentioned now. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Fulaman198(m): 12:22am On Mar 14, 2015 |
notoriousbabe: No thanks, I'm looking for 'the one' not just a one night stand |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Nobody: 10:08pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
See people dey argue ontop " Hausanized-Fulani" lol |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by ERODEDEAST(f): 6:17am On Mar 15, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by OkuDiOver1(f): 3:11pm On Mar 16, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by orogodoganyin(m): 2:31pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Jarus(m): 2:38pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by orogodoganyin(m): 3:08pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by ypeace: 4:21pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by alexlee50: 10:15pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
Fulaman198:your statement that religion is a subset of culture is not correct.in the north, the religion is the culture while in the south religion and culture are practised side by side.in cases where they are in conflict, the people may throw whichever is not convenient for them. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Fulaman198(m): 12:00am On Jun 15, 2015 |
alexlee50: That statement is false, Very false. Culture and religion are not the same. Not all Muslims eat the same foods. Not all Muslims listen to the same music, not all Muslims speak the same language. I don't know where you think you can go of making such ridiculous statements. Do you even know anything about the North...? |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by igbizen(m): 9:08am On Jun 15, 2015 |
Nowenuse:I did my NYSC in TARABA, I was so surprise wen a student said the Yoruba are not true Muslims dats why dey don't intermarry. nevertheless I have igbo friends that are married to yorubas Christians. Am yet to find a Yoruba Muslim and hausa Muslim get married. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by igbizen(m): 9:16am On Jun 15, 2015 |
I personally do not see religion as a subset of culture don't know about Muslims buh these days Christianity is kind of enveloping culture. take for example my own cousins rather attend first to an outsider who is attending d same church (Jehovah witness) than me his family member. so I say religion has become bigger than culture and not a subset. I think that is the same way the northern Muslims look at the western Muslims. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Fulaman198(m): 10:04am On Jun 15, 2015 |
igbizen: I think the general consensus of how a lot of Muslims view the Nation of Islam in America is that they see it as some kind of joke. Personally what I believe is that everyone has different ways of practising their religion. Islam in some parts of Nigeria is not practised the same way as it is as say in some middle Eastern countries. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Mapletraks: 11:35pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
Nowenuse: ^^^^^^ @OP, I just saw this thread and need to quickly reply. First Islam arrived in Yorubaland before Uthman Dan Fodio was born and there was a significant Yoruba muslim population that got converted to Islam by preachers from the Mali Empire who came to the Oyo Empire. I noticed this insulting urban legend even to me who isn't a muslim that Hausa or Fulani do not regard Yoruba muslims as real(sic) muslims. A lot of people speak from deep ignorance, and I even observed that some people from a particular part of Nigeria on Forums use it to in a silly manner insult the Yoruba. It is Not true that Yoruba muslims don't marry fellow muslims from the North such as Fulani or Hausa. They also marry muslims who are Nupe, Ebira, Senegalese, some Arabs, the Edo muslims from Auchi/Etsako, Gwari, etc. The "Mutallab Family" led by Alhaji Abdul Mutallab from Katsina State came to Ibadan for the Nikai wedding between his son and the late Alhaji Alao Arisekola's daugher in 2009! A few months before Mutallab, the Under-Bomber tried to blow up a plane. One of the daughters of Sultan Machido of Sokoto, is married into the Edu family of Lagos State. There are many more because the Yoruba have the 2nd largest muslim population in Nigeria after the Hausa. Even among the indigenes of Lagos State, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, they constitute the largest population. Islam arrived in Yorubaland which extends from Nigeria to Benin, and Atakpame province in Togo over 350 years ago from the Mali Empire. Nobody should insult Yoruba muslims by saying that Northerners look down on Yoruba muslims. It's PURE lie from religious and ethnic bigots. Yoruba was also written in Arabic just like Ashante and Hausa languages long before the birth of Uthman Danfodio in Niger Republic. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Mapletraks: 12:25am On Jun 17, 2015 |
igbizen: @ Igbizen, the information that you said a student gave you is highly doubtful about the comment that Yoruba are not true muslims. Taraba is a predominantly Xtian State so how can anyone say that. Did you know that Dr. Chris Abashiya is a Fulani Xtian from Taraba? I am not a muslim but I find it highly insulting that people would seek to deliberately distort history by peddling urban legends against a people i.e., the Yoruba who have the 3rd largest members of the muslim ummah in Nigeria followed by the Kanuri, the Ebiras, the Nupes, the Bades, the Igalas, etc. Hausas take the 1st position and Fulanis come 2nd. Lastly, most Yoruba marry either Edo/Delta groups(including Anioma) more than from the core 5 SE states, for the Xtians, while MOST Yoruba muslims marry from among themselves, a lot of Edo muslims from Auchi are married to Yorubas, Nupe, Igala, Ebira, Gwari, Hausa, and Fulani are married to Yorubas. From my past research, the Yoruba are the largest ethnicity in Nigeria that have inter-married more than any other ethnic group because they are able to penetrate predominantly muslim and non-muslim areas to socialise, trade, live, and inter-marry. I must add that one of the top Islamic clerics in Kano is of Yoruba ancestry. How was he able to get there if Hausas regard Yorubas as untrue muslims. What of the Secretary General of the Supreme Council for Islamic affairs who is of Yoruba ancestry. The false and unintelligent lies must stop so that we can properly preserve our history. Yoruba muslims are not inferior to anybody and the bigots should desist from the fatalistic behaviors and peddling of urban legends. PS: I had my secondary education at an FGC in the North decades ago and got exposed to intelligent and kind Northerners and the teachings of Islam as well. If these Northerners related with non-muslims like me, why would anybody lie that Yorubas who have the 3rd largest muslim population in Nigeria are NOT true muslims when we have Yoruba Sunnis, Shiites, Ahmadiyya, Tijanniya, Quadriya, just like the Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri etc. Uthman Danfodio himself was a Tijanniya mystic and it is on record that some of the mercenaries who took part in the jihadic battle were non-muslim Bororo Fulani! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Nobody: 1:02am On Jun 17, 2015 |
Mapletraks: I agree with most of what you're saying, but islam was documented in northern Nigeria since as early as the 9th century. And the fulanis have the 2nd largest group of muslims in Nigeria, then the yorubas and then the kanuris. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Mapletraks: 4:09am On Jun 17, 2015 |
CryptDarpick: ^^^^^ @Cryptdarpick Thanks for the correction and for paying attention to the little details. I subconciously merged the Hausa and Fulani together while typing. Yes indeed the population of the muslim ummah from the highest to the least is Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, Kanuri, Ebira, Nupe, Bade, Igala... and more. As you earlier indicated the North i.e., the Kanuri were already practicing Islam as of the 9th Century of our current era. That is why when Uthman Danfodio jihad fighters laid seige to Kanem Borno the Kanuri Monarch wrote a letter to Danfodio asking why he chose to attack them since they were already muslims and had practiced Islam for centuries. |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Mapletraks: 4:33am On Jun 17, 2015 |
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Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by Mapletraks: 6:08pm On Jun 17, 2015 |
Fulaman198:^^^^^^^^^^ @Fulaman198 Your post is highly illuminating, just like your other posts on different threads. Your post above is absolutely correct and I hope the mainstream media and users of social media will take note about the proper categorisation of the Fulani and Hausa peoples. By the way if and when YOU read this post, I have a quick question: Do the modern Fulanis from Adamawa, Taraba, etc, like you still undergo series of FLOGGING session before you can get married to a Fulani maiden? PS: I was watching a live online streaming of an interview on AIT, and Femi Fani-Kayode said he is 1/8th Fulani. It was in April of 2015 and I'm not surprised about the fact that Fulani ancestry flows in a significant number of Yoruba and other Nigerians as well. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by kaura5000: 7:09pm On Jun 17, 2015 |
I hate it when people say hausa-fulani it means like we are one people with same civilization.. when in reality most of the culture,the architecture,the cities,the emirate administration systems, the music the everything are hausa.. fulani didnt contribute to any civilization in northern nigeria..we already have one of the best civilizations, oldest cities in africa, we are already muslims before they came etc 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Yoruba Muslims & Hausa-fulani Muslims Not Inter-marry? by tpiadotcom: 9:49pm On Jun 17, 2015 |
Mapletraks: he said that years ago, it should be commonly known by now, not a new thing. like I pointed out in my thread here: Any Nigerian Family With Absolutely No Mixed People At All? https://www.nairaland.com/2358576/nigerian-family-absolutely-no-mixed majority of Nigerian families have at least one relative who is mixed with some other ethnicity and nationality. Buhari himself is mixed with Kanuri, Hausa and possibly another tribe [just guessing], its not really as unusual as you're imagining. 1 Like 1 Share |
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