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Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Malawian(m): 12:37pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
dcaliph:what kind of rubbish is this? we that even did rag day into Oba Palace in benin. do you know how many times the Oba has visited Ekpoma for convocation? stop talking rubbish abeg. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by basilo101: 1:02pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
rexbuton:see ur foolish logic. Hw does d two scenerios resemble |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 1:15pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
Malawian: You called what I said rubbish without even contradicting me. Are you from Edo state. If Oba of Benin visit Ekpoma, is Ekpoma not in Edo? Is Convocation not an important event? In your life have you seen or heard the Oba leaving Edo for anything? Have you even see him visiting a president. That you entered the oba palace, is that strange? Isn't the Oba palace a UNESCO world heritage site, that tourist visite? Did you really entered the main oba palace. Did you see the Oba when you did the rag day? Modified I just confirmed the Oba of Benin going to Ekpoma, bross sorry no vex you can lie big lie o. I just gave you the Benefit of doubt and asked in my workplace, see shout wey I hear, I was even embarrassed for my self. 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Malawian(m): 2:05pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
dcaliph:you were talking as if the Oba of Benin is a recluse. i have seen the man several times, and nobody was running anywhere. is he an armed robber? abeg jare. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Malawian(m): 2:10pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
dcaliph:i dont know what you are confirming. when i was in hundred level, the last convocation ceremony, because abdulsalam's daughter was also convocation, you needed to see the caliber of VIPs that graced that occasion. abeg, if you did not school in Expoma, you cant be talking rubbish. you confirmed from your workplace abi? is your workplace in custody of the Oba's retinue? |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 2:19pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
Malawian:I said again you are a liar |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Malawian(m): 2:21pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
dcaliph:no point in arguing further with you. i was present there, you asked your co-workers. case closed. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 2:37pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
Malawian:na only you go Ekpoma shabi, we that attended University of Benin didn't see the oba at our Convocations . Oshiomole didn't even see he in his swearing in. I schooled in Benin from primary to University, I lived close to the Oba palace for about 10 years and am telling you that what you said is false. Oba don't come out from his palace except on rear occasions like the Igue festival. His chiefs represents him. Their are many Edo people in Nairaland, that can confirm this. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 4:26pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
Malawian: BROS HAFA U WHEN I READ THIS POST, I JUST REMOVED MY BATTERY W/O SHUTTING DOWN youve been fooled big time I AM A PROUD BINI MAN, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE OBA OF BENIN HAS NEVER VISITED UNIBEN TALKLESS OF EKPOMA.. HE HAS NEVER VISITED EVEN THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE OR ANYBODY'S HOUSE.. HE IS THE OBA.. THE ONLY TIME HE HAS HONOURED AN INVITATION WAS WHEN HE WAS SUMMONED TO COURT IN A CASE INSTITUTED BY THE ESAMA OF BENIN (Igbinedion), AND HE TREKKED TO COURT FROM THE PALACE FUN FACT: THE OBA DOES NOT USE CARS.. HE WALKS SO MAYBE IT WAS Bob Izua or Tony Kabaka you saw at your convocation and you started thinking it was Oba during your rag day, you didnt see Oba.. wait oo. rag day all the way from ekpoma?? una dey trek ooo anyways, it wasnt Oba you saw.. not everyone gets an audience, not even when Buhari came last time.. so many ministers come around when in town, they are met by the Iyase or Isekhure 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 4:33pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
dcaliph: just imagine coming to visit the Oba , and they tell you that he's not around.. He travelled to Ekpoma.. wont you fall down laughing? |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 4:38pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
UnknownT:your principal is free to call himself anything he likes, but that doesn't make him any thing he likes>>> If you've followed this thread carefully you'd see posts of ika people who have claimed they are not bini neither are they Igbo |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 4:58pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
rexbuton: Hahahaha Bross seriously that guy fall my hand, I was going to ask mumu questions. He even said he has seen the Oba many times, na oba wife he be Also I saw some people saying Ikas are Igbos that were staying in Benin and migrated to Asaba. And I was like what Igbos staying in the Benin when Benin was Benin? If only they know that at that time, fear wouldn't allow an Igbo man to step his foot in Benin, talk less of settling there, for would be use for human sacrifice. Remember the British that entered Benin at the wrong time were killed not to talk of an Igbo man. I'm not been tribalistic, it just the truth. 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by mandarin: 9:38pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
I have another angle to this story: 1. Philip Emegwali, I think he's a resourceful Igbo man backed his history of the Onitcha as that of Benin, its so rooted in the palace tales it would have a huge percentage of truth. Onitcha had Benin root. 2. Benin empire at its peak extended to Onitsha today bringing a cosmopolitan dwellers from Bini to Ibo(now Igbo, and what's the meaning of Igbo in Igbo language?) 3.At some points, Benin powers began to wane and some others groups began to rise up. I think there are other keywords that transverse the entire empire, you can check Akoko, ifon, ikale, Ekiti and Etsako dialects and compare. I think major groups down Delta are connected to Benin by ancestry but like Lagos of today, have many mixed ethnic groups which later divided in the 19th century. As long as language remain a strong cultural identity but it isn't finite, for example Adolfus Wabara isn't Yoruba but was raised as one. Berbers aren't Arabs though Arabized and speak Arabic. The Ika and Anioma may be right and believe me you can't force igboness on them if they chose not to be.They may have been'Igbonized' but may be they are not Igbo.Think about it, the Igala and Uoruba speak seriously close languages yet Yoruba never claim igala to be Yoruba but they are kinsmen alongside itsekiri, Bini and Egun, Ewe, and Ga. You can't claim people you can only win them to your side and aside the Benin empire, there was never an Igbo empire or kingdom in the last 500years befoe 18th century, so its a difficult challenge for any universal Igbo claims.what do you think guys? 2 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 10:55pm On Apr 27, 2015 |
mandarin:I think you are in line and I admire your knowledge of history. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 5:25am On Apr 28, 2015 |
PhysicsHD is that you?? Are you back? |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by scholes0(m): 5:58am On Apr 28, 2015 |
GenIgrigi: That is not a map of industrialization, stop deceiving yourself... those are the lights from gas flares in the Niger Delta. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 6:28pm On Apr 28, 2015 |
mandarin: another one of these guys had previously discredited emegweali's account, stating that the latter should "stick to what he knows..." these guys accept whatever is convenient for them, and reject any other theories! without even thinking That's why i've stopped taking them seriously 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by omojie: 2:09pm On May 12, 2015 |
1. ika is ika and it is different from the igbo nation , and i dont know what igbo people want to gain from trying to conscript ika people into igbo, i am ika and i dont ever want to be igbo , but if an igbo guy loves ika so much and all igbos want to be ika , then they are welcome. 2. the way igbo people talk about their tribe , is just a spark of ignorance , they talk as if igbo as an etrhnicity was formed by God , they do not even know that igbo ethnicity was put together by the british , just like any tribe is an amalgamation of people who think they share a common ethnicity and want to protect themselves politically . as for the ika people we cannot benefit any thing from an igbo union , and our fore fathers were never in any union with the igbos , we have resisted both the benins claim to own ika in 1930 and the igbo claims to ika in 1967 , during the civil war and that has ended the story . 3. ika people declared in 1930 to the british that ika is different ethnic group , different from any other in nigeria , end of story .and out of this resolve majority of ika people atleast about 98 percent of ika people believe in their ika ethnicity and so we have our onu-ika/ogua-ika as the highest socio-political organisation speaking for ika nation , just as ohaneze ndigbo speaks for igbo people. 4. ika is at the boundary of two major ethnicities which are edo and igbo , and as such is influenced by these two both in language and culture and this gave ika nation , its uniqueness. 5. our names , culture , tradition , beliefs , and language set us apart from the others or how else can you imagine that when the oba of benin is doing igue festival , the kings of agbor , owa , umunede and other ika areas are also performing same festival , when ikaba, ovia , idigun , idinwina and olokun is worshipped in benin , ika people two are bussy doing theirs ? then we also perform ikenga and do new yam festival of iwagi , but we also perform ogbanigbe and osiezi which is only performed by ika people , our kingship and titles are patterned after benin. 6. ika also retains some igbo culture like ikenga , new yam festival and worship of ali , these sets ika apart from others . 7. our people bear both igbo and benin names , but the benin names are usually our family names like osagie, omojie, omigie , osahon, obaigbena ,. irabor and the rest .we also bear ikenchuku , ifeanyi and the rest . 8. the oba of benin visits ika land quite often because the spiritual and ethnic link between ika and benin is still strong , the oba visited owa in 1992 , 1998 , 2009 , to perform some rites .owa kings still visit benin up till dates . 9. there are still some titles in agbor that you have to go to benin to get the chalk before you are given the title in agbor like ugbasogun of agbor title . 10. the reality today is that ika is a seperate ethnic group of its own and any body still dreaming of ika as being igbo is just performing an academic exercise which is wasteful , as of today there is not ika prominent person that belongs to ohaneze ndigbo meeting or speaks for or on behalf of igbos , but they speak for ika , even at the national conference ika was represented there . 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by bokohalal(m): 2:22pm On May 12, 2015 |
rexbuton:The Oba of Benin has visited Government House[s] The Oba of Benin has fleet of cars that he use when he needs to move around |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Macelliot(m): 10:11pm On May 29, 2015 |
MayorofLagos:I'm an Igbo guy... I recieved a shock of my life after reading this... You just taught me something... I will keep remembering this very "statement" of yours... Hmm, what a world? But surely, the End justifies the means... God bless you.... |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Macelliot(m): 10:29pm On May 29, 2015 |
rexbuton:Long epistle.... What's your fear of being Igbo?? I can't speak 4 the Ikans... But, as far as I'm concerned.. Asaba here is 100% Igbo and nothing less... Bless you., |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:36am On May 30, 2015 |
Macelliot:Not a long epistle.. You should read more often! |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Macelliot(m): 2:26pm On May 30, 2015 |
rexbuton:I read it... The fact that you don't feel like being an Igbo doesn't mean others should follow suite... You keep showing Similarities between Ika and BINI, But not between Ika and IGBO... The Yorubas derive pleasure in the dis-intergration of the Igbos... Apart from South-west, the Okun people of Kogi state are Yorubas... The Ilorin people(capital of kwara) are Yorubas... Though, they(Okuns and ilorins) are in the northern regions... They have never doubted being Yorubas... The FG wanted to make the Okun people a distinct ethnic group, but they declined it... I wanna ask a question... Which ethnic group do the people of Asaba belongs to?? |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 2:45pm On May 30, 2015 |
Macelliot: All the yoruba fragment groups never claim they are yorubas or see it as a big thing.. The ikares, illajes, eguns, ijebus and all the others see demselves as who they are! They don't come out on Tv to claim lagos or ondo because of oil or any reasons.. But u guys transport urselves from the east and start claiming the midwest.. Easterners don't like ebonyi state d way dey like rivers and delta just because of oil! If u really love anioma why have u never supported their bid for anioma state? In all the fora that the issue has been discussed igbos distance themselves claiming that anioma state would be an extra southsouth state.. In the whole country no group is more befitting of a state than anioma, yet u all turn blind eyes and come round to claim dem as ur own 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 2:54pm On May 30, 2015 |
Macelliot: There lot of similarities between ika and igbo.. In modern times no other tribe has had more influence on them than the igbos.. We all know this! But it doesn't change who they are.. Even if an agbor and igbanke man bears bini names and understands some bini, he is not a bini man.. Also he is not an igbo man either.. He is an agbor/igbanke man or better still he is an ika man.. He is a nigerian and brother to all.. There is even a greater semblance between the fulani and hausa and kanuri man.. They understand each other but are fundamentally different.. They are different ethnic groups.. So be more accommodating and less domineering 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Macelliot(m): 3:32pm On May 30, 2015 |
rexbuton:Even though, the title of the king of Agbor is "Obi" from time begin.. We all know that Anioma comprises of different dialects... Which ethnic group do the people of Asaba belong? |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by superduperjay: 3:38pm On May 30, 2015 |
Yeah you are correct. My boyfriend introduced himself to me as an IKA guy. Further Explaining that its a tribe on its own. That if because of the size of the Tivs now hausa now come and say tivs r hausas its wrong, even if the have slight similarities and are geographically in d north they are not the same. Same thing applies to the IKA's they are a tribe on their own. Like Yoruba, hausa, igbo, ijaw,ika etc like that. rexbuton: 3 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Macelliot(m): 3:43pm On May 30, 2015 |
rexbuton:Your case is a personnal issue... Igbo didn't transport themselves... Fact is that, the inhabitants are Igbos since time immemorial.... No more arguement with you... That's your personal problem and doesn't represent the view of all... |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Onegai(f): 4:17pm On May 30, 2015 |
Tears of pride at my Ika boys. Ewwwww!! Where were una when I wan marry, before one urhobo man snatched me, ehhh But jokes apart, I don't get the modern Igbo stance. More than half of the people you are claiming (so far, on this thread they have mentioned my family and extended family) DO NOT wish to be associated and aligned with you. Why o why do you persist in such aggression? That's like me leaving my hubby's house to be dragging over my neighbour who continually tells me he doesn't want me. Why? We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE, how can that be a thorn in their flesh? Even my FIL (an elderly man and a very old legal practioner) stated clearly that Ika aren't Igbo (and he handled cases in the area, h should know), so why all this wahala? My elderly mum said it was Ika when they came to Lagos that wanted to curry favour with Igbos, that started naming their kids with Igbo names, she swears she never grew up with any Amakas, Ifeanyis or Uches until after the Civil war (and she should know, she nearly ended up being an Ika Queen and her father was prominent). Ika names and last names are still found in Edo state, but I am yet to see one in the East. @rexburton please one small point: you said owa/Agbor people claim descent from the East. That's not true as my grandmother passed away at 104 and I asked her this question and she was very clear the Agbor/Owa are NOT from the East. I choose to believe a woman who lived from that era than someone probably even younger than me. But noooo. That is not enough for you. Please let us be, we have our own identity. Be assured, everyone respects you but enough of this claiming. And where's that poster that put up proper Ika names, remind me to send you one very pretty Ika geh as reward. ; D Also, which of you is from a prominent Ika family, let us betrothe our children now (because their papa is using style to try and marry them off to his Urhobo chiefs and I'm just giving him side-eye). 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by PabloAfricanus(m): 5:30pm On May 30, 2015 |
Onegai: I'm guessing you wrote the above for uninformed and less travelled readers. For starters...on the issue of "We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE".... Ika heritage is ALREADY Igbo heritage through and through. Your language and traditions bear that out. Your governor from Owa is Dr. Ifeanyi Okowa...not Dr. Efosa Obaze. Atleast I understand Igbo enough to know Okeke,Okafor,Okoli...all have the Oko prefix meaning "man of" or "man from". Okowa means "man from Owa" and that is a 100% Igbo name. Ofcourse you're free to give me the alternative meaning. A cursory survey of the names you bear across the length and breadth of Ika will reveal to anyone that they're Igbo names. Except if you mean to tell me Okowa's father travelled to Lagos and in order to currry favour with the Igbos decided to swap their Bini names for Igbo names. Same goes for all the Ikas who bear dual Bini/Igbo names like Nduka Obaigbena etc. I think you lots should quit with all this identity crisis wahala...I don't remember at any time the Igbos collectively or individually ever begging anyone to bear their names or speak their language. The Igbos have no history of inter-ethnic warfare, colonization or tribal hegemony like the Binis, Yorubas, Nupes or Fulanis. You well know the majority of the Igbo clans abhor monarchies. Even the monarchies in Ika apparently are borrowed from Bini with your "iyases" and "adas" etc. They're not native to you. Cos what you have is still mixed with core Igbo customs and that has not changed. You simply were influenced by Bini and borrowed a few lines from their heritage. Ofcourse settlers must have come from Bini no doubt...but they are clearly in the "minute" minority. Having said that, lemme bust a few of ur misrepresentations. Recent history shows that Ojukwu never included Anioma in his secession bid...cos the Midwest was not under the control of the then Eastern Region. There was no "claiming of lands" or "attache by force" for oil purposes. The focus of the then Eastern Region was on Ph which was the city Michael Okpara's administration focused all development activities on as a counterpart to Lagos. Asaba, Ika, Agbor,Sapele,Warri never factored in to the plans or politics of the SE Igbos then. When the Biafran forces invaded the Midwest...the commanding officers and administrators were all Midwest/Anioma sons. Mind you the bulk of the instigators of the whole Biafran palava were Anioma sons and fought on the Biafran side. They were neither forced nor coerced...neither did they tell the counter coup plotters the difference between them the "Ikas" from "Bini" and the SE Igbos whom they have nothing in common with. The SE Igbos never came out to tell the world that it was the Ikas/Aniomas who murdered in cold blood the political leaders of other groups in an ill-advised coup. If you know your history well, the Igbos had nothing to gain from that ill-advised venture. The bulk of the commissioned officers in the army were Igbos,Ironsi was the GOC, the Easter region was progressing,the Igbos had closed the education gap with the Yorubas...I could go on. There was not anything the Igbos stood to gain...no "oil to claim", no "lands to attach to"...as then ALL the oil was in the Eastern Region. The SE Igbos could have done it the way you're doing now and told the vengeful Northern and Western officers that all the Nzeogwus, Anukus, Okonwezes...all bearing Igbo names and speaking Igbo dialects were actually Bini people masquerading as Igbo people. That infact it was because of their trading with Igbos that they adopted Igbo names and traditions...that the Igbo dialect they speak was because the Igbos forced them to abandon their Edo tongue and all that... Yet they and you all Ikas/Aniomas recognized your common heritage and slugged out the Biafran war together. I asked these same questions in a related thread... How come you Ikas and Aniomas speak Igbo? Do you know the similarity between the Igbo spoken in Agbor and Owerri? How come the SE Igbos "mistake" you for Igbos? Why are you lots not bearing pure Bini names and practising pure Bini traditions? Who did your mythological Bini forbears meet on ground when they "came" from Bini? Lest I forget...if you are one of those who believe that a man name Eze Chime came from Bini and is a Bini man or that his name is now actually Ikhime...then I guess your inferiority complex needs divine intervention. You lots should be proud of who you are. On the flip side I've asked Igbos I know what the hullabaloo is all about and I was made to understand you lots are still suffering from post-civil war inferiority complex. Maybe they have a point... 8 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Macelliot(m): 5:48pm On May 30, 2015 |
Onegai:You sounds so aggresive... Rexburton, I know that Ika and Ukwuani are distinct ethnic group... They have similarities with the Igbos.. My point is that, in ANIOMA, There are Igbo people apart from Ika and Ukwuanis... Anioma comprises of the Igbo, Ika, and Ukwuani ethnic groups.... Thanks... |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Macelliot(m): 6:20pm On May 30, 2015 |
omojie:We know that.... Ika is a distinct ethnic group so as Ukwuani. My point is that, there are also Igbo group in Anioma apart from Ika and Ukwuani.... I mean Anioma comprises of Igbo, Ukwuani and Ika.... |
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