axum:



I noticed Nomadic people are very proud and xenophobic. Like Somalis, Arabs, Fulanis, North Africans. Those societies also instill independence and self reliance.

You are absolutely correct in your observation.

vfactor:


You may be correct and the Europeans may be wrong, but there's something in Nigerian palance we describe as "I been get no be property", meaning that what u used to have becomes nothing if you no longer have it. The Europeans had no history and Africans had all the history, but what is happening now? The Asians may have faced the same same plight but they re doing better than the Africans now. They have rewritten their history. I wager that most of the history u presented in the first page, were not taught to you in some African schools, rather they were works of European sympathizers or Africans who happen to live and study in Europe or America. Why don't Africa rewrite their history from what it is to what they claim it should be? Why don't they teach it in their schools?

By the way u re you re not the only one, who knows about the Moors and Timbuktu university. The Malian government is doing little or nothing about the manuscripts that are decaying there. It is the Europeans that are doing something to preserve the scripts.

Thank you. It is refreshing to meet knowledgeable Africans who are aware of their history. The African cause is not a lost one.

nedu2000:
Biblically,some say Ham,son of Noah who was cursed to always be beneath his brothers Shem and Japhet is the father of the negro race.

That is what the white folks made you believe to keep you inside.

the most significant civilization that sprung in Africa was Egypt, there were small civilizations in comparison that also arose later. Civilizations like the Mali, Ghana, Oyo , Great Zimbabwe and Benin and so on. none after Egypt can compare with the [Rome Empire, Ancient Greece (Athens, Sparta), the various dynasties in Asia] these civilizations are so influential structures millenniums old are still standing, when go to these sites today, all you can do is stare in awe and wonder of those who came thousands of years before us accomplished............in sub Saharan Africa there's no such thing. The so much acclaimed Benin City was destroyed by mere British troops. Napoleon attacked Egypt and some of those acient structures are still standing til today.

sub saharan africa was busy concentrating on how to prepare charms, love potionns... and fighting inter tribal wars, while europe, asia, north africa and the levant occupied themselves with building ships, machines, and exploring the world

tevinsolt:
the most significant civilization the sprung in Africa was Egypt, after that there were small civilizations in comparison. Civilizations like the Mali, Ghana, Oyo , Great Zimbabwe and Benin and so on. none after Egypt can compare with the [Rome Empire, Ancient Greece (Athens, Sparta), the various dynasties in Asia] these civilizations are so influential structures millenniums old are still standing, when go to these sites today, all you can do is stare in awe and wonder of those who came thousands of years before us accomplished............in sub Saharan Africa there's no such thing. The so much acclaimed Benin City was destroyed by mere British troops. Napoleon attacked Egypt and some of those acient structures are still standing til today.

That's where you are wrong, what about the Zulu Bantus? did you forget about them? Under the influence of Shaka Zulu their empire was gigantic

Angelou:
sub saharan africa was busy concentrating on how to prepare charms, love potionns... and fighting inter tribal wars, while europe, asia, north africa and the levant occupied themselves with building ships, machines, and exploring the world

Spoken like a true slave

bigfrancis21:


Oh ye black man. Brainwashed into believing he is inferior. Echoing racial subjugation cliches purposefully orchestrated to mentally subjugate him as inferior.

Listen, Civilization started from Africa. The earliest human civilization started in Egypt at about 3000BC when the ancient black egyptians gathered together to form a civilization, out of which came the egyptian pyramids (an architectural wonder of sort with to such a wonderful precision which still dazzles modern science of today), mathematics, philosophy, astrology, philosophy etc. Egypt was at its might during ancient times and can be likened to the position of America in the world today. Nationals from Rome, Greece, Persia, paid visits to Egypt to learn from her civilization. The earliest 'white' civilization is traced to the Romans and Greeks who were to surface in world history in 800BC i.e. about 2200 years after the Egyptian civilization. The Romans and Greeks learned from Egyptian temple priests and took their knowledge with them back to Rome and Greece where they wrote their books and equally admitted in their books that they learned from the egyptian priests first hand. Ancient Egyptians were already practising mathematics (the pythagoras theorem with which they used to build the pyramids. The pythagoras theory in mathematics which is wrongly attributed to Pythagoras actually came from the Egyptians for they knew that the longest side of a right angled triangle can be taken from the square root of the sum of the squares of the lengths of the other 2 sides. They had formulas for finding the area of shapes etc). 2000 years later, Egypt was invaded by the romans, their temples destroyed and their books and knowledge carted away. Egypt fell under Roman occupation and became a colony of Rome from about 300BC to 4AD/5AD when the Roman empire fell and Europe was plunged into intellectual darkness.

Thus the Romans lost the knowledge which they had learned from the Egyptians, marking the beginning of the dark ages (also known as the middle ages - a period characterized by stuntness in growth of useful world learning and advancement) until year 711 when the black moors of North Africa who were Muslims invaded Spain through the Strait of Gibraltar and conquered Spain, Portugal and the Southern Part of France, establishing the Islam religion in Iberia (Portugal, Spain, France). The moors took knowledge with them to Europe and brought again learning and civilization to Europe.

The Spanish occupation by the Moors began in 711 AD when an African army, under their leader Tariq ibn-Ziyad, crossed the Strait of Gibraltar from northern Africa and invaded the Iberian peninsula ‘Andalus' (Spain under the Visigoths).

2. A European scholar sympathetic to the Spaniards remembered the conquest in this way:

a. [T]he reins of their (Moors) horses were as fire, their faces black as pitch, their eyes shone like burning candles, their horses were swift as leopards and the riders fiercer than a wolf in a sheepfold at night . . . The noble Goths [the German rulers of Spain to whom Roderick belonged] were broken in an hour, quicker than tongue can tell. Oh luckless Spain! [i]

[i] Quoted in Edward Scobie, The Moors and Portugal's Global Expansion, in Golden Age of the Moor, ed Ivan Van Sertima, US, Transaction Publishers, 1992, p.336

3. The Moors, who ruled Spain for 800 years, introduced new scientific techniques to Europe, such as an astrolabe, a device for measuring the position of the stars and planets. Scientific progress in Astronomy, Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, Geography and Philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain

4. Basil Davidson, one of the most noted historians recognized and declared that there were no lands at that time (the eighth century) "more admired by its neighbours, or more comfortable to live in, than a rich African civilization which took shape in Spain"

5. At its height, Córdova, the heart of Moorish territory in Spain, was the most modern city in Europe. The streets were well-paved, with raised sidewalks for pedestrians. During the night, ten miles of streets were well illuminated by lamps. (This was hundreds of years before there was a paved street in Paris or a street lamp in London.) Cordova had 900 public baths - we are told that a poor Moor would go without bread rather than soap!

6. The Great Mosque of Córdoba (La Mezquita) is still one of the architectural wonders of the world in spite of later Spanish disfigurements. Its low scarlet and gold roof, supported by 1,000 columns of marble, jasper and and porphyry, was lit by thousands of brass and silver lamps which burned perfumed oil.

7. Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to all, while in Christian Europe ninety-nine percent of the population were illiterate, and even kings could neither read nor write. At that time, Europe had only two universities, the Moors had seventeen great universities! These were located in Almeria, Cordova, Granada, Juen, Malaga, Seville, and Toledo.

8. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries in Europe were non-existent, while Moorish Spain could boast of more than seventy, of which the one in Cordova housed six hundred thousand manuscripts.

9. Over 4,000 Arabic words and Arabic-derived phrases have been absorbed into the Spanish language. Words beginning with "al," for example, are derived from Arabic. Arabic words such as algebra, alcohol, chemistry, nadir, alkaline, and cipher entered the language. Even words such as checkmate, influenza, typhoon, orange, and cable can be traced back to Arabic origins.

10. The most significant Moorish musician was known as Ziryab (the Blackbird) who arrived in Spain in 822. The Moors introduced earliest versions of several instruments, including the Lute or el oud, the guitar or kithara and the Lyre. Ziryab changed the style of eating by breaking meals into separate courses beginning with soup and ending with desserts.

11. The #Moors introduced paper to Europe and Arabic numerals, which replaced the clumsy Roman system.

12. The Moors introduced many new crops including the orange, lemon, peach, apricot, fig, sugar cane, dates, ginger and pomegranate as well as saffron, sugar cane, cotton, silk and rice which remain some of Spain's main products today.

13. The Moorish rulers lived in sumptuous palaces, while the monarchs of Germany, France, and England dwelt in big barns, with no windows and no chimneys, and with only a hole in the roof for the exit of smoke. One such Moorish palace ‘Alhambra' (literally "the red one" in Granada is one of Spain's architectural masterpieces. Alhambra was the seat of Muslim rulers from the 13th century to the end of the 15th century. The Alhambra is a UNESCO World Heritage Site

14. It was through Africa that the new knowledge of China, India, and Arabia reached Europe The #Moors brought the Compass from China into Europe.

15. The Moors ruled and occupied Lisbon (named "Lashbuna" by the Moors) and the rest of the country until well into the twelfth century. They were finally defeated and driven out by the forces of King Alfonso Henriques. The scene of this battle was the Castelo de Sao Jorge or the 'Castle of St. George.'


Moorish Chief


Spain (Europe) and Morocco (Africa) are so close together that you can see both countries from each side of each continent:
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You could literally cross over from Morocco into Spain by speed boat in less than 10 minutes.

The Moors brought enormous learning to Spain that over centuries would percolate through the rest of Europe.

The intellectual achievements of the Moors in Spain had a lasting effect; education was universal in Moorish Spain, while in Christian Europe, 99 percent of the population was illiterate, and even kings could neither read nor write. At a time when Europe had only two universities, the Moors had seventeen, located in Almeria, Cordova, Granada, Juen, Malaga, Seville, and Toledo.

In the 10th and 11th centuries, public libraries in Europe were non-existent, while Moorish Spain could boast of more than 70, including one in Cordova that housed hundreds of thousands of manuscripts. Universities in Paris and Oxford were established after visits by scholars to Moorish Spain.

It was this system of education, taken to Europe by the Moors, that seeded the European Renaissance and brought the continent out of the 1,000 years of intellectual and physical gloom of the Middle Ages.

After the end of the Moorish period in Iberia (Europe) came the Renaissance period, marked by the revival of interest and learning in arts and science. Europe grew and expanded ever since.

The Moors ruled for over 800 years in Europe until 1492 when they were finally expelled from Spain by Isabella back to Morocco. By 1800 America (the new world) was coming into world power. The expellation of the moors (blacks) was a great victory for the whites in the history of whites. The period of Moorish presence in Spain began the signification of 'black' as evil (the domination of islam over christianity in spain and consequently 'black', being the colour of the moors, being synonymous with the islam religion), thus giving birth to the earliest racial sentiments against the black people. It is said that before the Moors left they handed over a map of how to get to the Americas. 8 months later in 1492 using the map handed over to him, Columbus set out for his voyage to America (the new world) where he met the Red Indians. Transatlantic slavery of black africans was soon to start immediately, in early 1500s and reaching its peak between 1600 and 1700s and ending in the 1800s.

The dominion of the blacks in spain was something europe was never to have again. Thus began the subjugation of the black african people as 'lower' beings, blotting of the african history and rewriting of history, attribution of earliest human inventions to people of caucasian origin (philosophy attributed to aristotle who mentioned that he learned from the egyptians, pythagoras theorem which the ancient egyptians used in building the pyramids attributed pythagoras a greek man etc), the attempts to 'white-wash' ancient egypt and claim its civilization to be 'white' civilization or non-african or 'aryan' despite overwhelming evidence seen from the mummies of dead pharoahs, egyptian depictions of themselves as a black people, egyptian reference to themselves as 'kemet' (black, khawm, ham), DNA and skin test evidence performed on some of these mummies that revealed sub-saharan ancestry and high melanin pigmentation (blacks have high melanin content in their skin, whites lack melanin. Melanin is responsible for the colouration of the human body) etc that prove the ancient egyptians were a black people.

One of the earliest universities in the world is the University of Timbuktu in Mali but you will never hear of this part of history. It has been totally ignored and sidelined and European universities glorified instead.

The Renaissance period of Europe saw the representation of several African figures as whites. In Christianity, Jesus Christ and His Mother, Mary, who were black were represented as white people. The Pope in Rome, obviously knowing the truth, prays in front of a black mother mary and baby jesus. Beethoven who was described as a 'blackamor' is said to have been represented as 'white'. The 18th century saw the rise and spread of white superiority and black inferiority theories all over Europe and America. Several tactics have been used to ingrain mentally into the black people of some 'inferiority' complex, which unfortunately till today, majority of blacks are still suffering from it. They have been told several times without number that they are 'inferior' and incapable of performing great things that they have come to believe it as true. Infact, some blacks would not even want to attempt greatness or invention because they believe their brains are incapable of doing such.

Till today, blacks are still suffering from this mentality and there has been several calls for blacks to emancipate themselves from mental slavery. You are no longer physically bound by chains but mentally you still think you are. However, some blacks are beginning to awaken to their original self. With knowledge, self-realization is restored, and there comes with it power of the mind and self.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/10/07/when-black-men-ruled-the-world-moors/

what course did u study?wat skul did u go?abi na paste n cop
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ghostofsparta:

Exodus: Gods and Kings'

What do u have against the film

africans are busy discriminating and tribalizing just like what the majority of nairalanders are doing now in the face of objectivity and vision

Fulaman198:


Spoken like a true slave

this isn't what i was taught to believe, this is what truly happened!! with all the paraphernalia of charms that the sub saharan africa possessed, why didn't they put up adequate resistance against western explorers (such as inflicting them with a deadly pestilence)

I love some black people for the fact that they cannot reason for themselves.
If Europe is more developed than Africa, tell me any monument on planet earth that is intellectually developed like the pyramids of Egypt.

frankmoney:
I have always wanted to ask this question , where was Africa when Europe and the rest where developing ? how come we don't have great early inventors or physicist such as Einstein and iseac newton ?what were we doing around the early 1900's or 1800's ? contributions are needed

You people were just evolving by then

UnimkeAk:


frankmoney (OP) ; I shuld hv gone tru the thread b4. Replying;
this is a "Living testimony"(Mesef b church boi 2); imagine in this 21st century someone still believes in that crap.
No insults intented @Nedu

RELIGION !

Wht then will u expect from our grt grt grt grand fathers.

'some say' not me,i'm no religious pawn

The fact was that these societies had civilizations. There was the Arabian Civilization, Egyptian Civilization, Greek Civilization, European Civilization/ Industrial Evolution. These were time when these societies prided themselves on education and made it compulsory thus broadening their horizons. Unfortunately, Africa did not have these eras and so did not develop (partly because it was too comfortable as we had all the natural resources needed for basic survival.) As with us humans, if we do not feel the need for something, we do not strive to satisfy such need!

Fulaman198:


That's where you are wrong, what about the Zulu Bantus? did you forget about them? Under the influence of Shaka Zulu their empire was gigantic

yes!! that''s a wonderful observation, even the europeans marvelled at the efficiency of the "bull" army formation which chaka used at battles.... if not for the lack of advanced weaponry the zulu would have easily defeated the dutch and britons

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frankmoney:
so how come Africans didn't explore other continents too ? there was no major industrial revolution in africa

Nothing forced us to move out! Remember most of the 1st Europeans to move to the New World were Criminals, Enemies of the King and poverty entrenched people.

one of the most efficient tactics the europeans employed in subjugating africa was the introduction of christianity..... making us to dispose our gods which had been our source of inspiration as demons.
"put down your weapons and embrace the religion of peace" but the brits never dropped theirs

A lot of the Captain "save Africa's Image" guys are swimming in irrelevances.

For all of Africa's mighty history...we came down all too quick under the will of the Europeas and remain their bootlickers till today.

That the acclaimed Bini Empire fell in just 1 day under minimal British manpower (worse - I heard they used lower ranked African footsoldiers to fight) is very telling.

Even the so-called Zulu's are overhyped. The ratio of Zulu to British soldiers was very high and with higher casualties on the Zulu end but I guess they did well enough by African standards. Still lost woefully at the end though.

A very weak race for all that we tout!

Our biggest saving grace in the hotter climates of Africa is Malaria and heat. Thank God for mother nature!

If all of Africa were as temperate as the Southern tip of the continent Blacks would have truly been a conquered and assimilated race. Apertheid abound and the European minority ruling classes staking as much (if not more) claim to the entire continent. Imagine European Nigerian "indigenes" and the disenfranchised Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, Efik, etc slaves running to them, cap in hands. A significant biracial population and racial politics as we see in the USA.

The world truly is the White man's playground. What a pitiful joke on majority of mankind!

Africa was infected by religion, superstition and fairy tales. These cocktale destroys creative thinking. And we are still under-developed because of these cocktales. We produce nothing.

ThaProphet:


You are certainly right to some extent. However, research and find out why we couldn't change or switch.

The task before us now is to switch and reclaim our rightful place on earth. Let every African work on this and we'd never have to have this type of discussion again.

yeah...... Now how will you prove to your fellow black that he isn't inferior.

Billyonaire:
Africa was infected by religion, superstition and fairy tales. These cocktale destroys creative thinking. And we are still under-developed because of these cocktales. We produce nothing.

Africa is only plagued by cowardice, laziness, weakness of mind and a fear of confronting the unknown.

This is why we are comfortable with religion and superstition. We simply can't be bothered to take on uncertainties to uncover truths.

How much has fear of questioning things inhibited us from challenging authority, seeking out alternatives?

we had our own boom of civilization too but our dishonesty and lack of unity plunged us into dark ages.

We can all sit down and blame others as d reason y we haven't moved forward as a continent. But d fact is dat every continent, country and race have their own problems, bt they've sat down and thought about d solutions to their problems.
D reason why Africa hasn't moved on as a continent is wit d kind of leaders we choose to lead us, leaders wit their *grab n carry* mentality, leaders dat are nt innovative, leaders who don't even have d interest of their fellow countrymen in mind nt to talk of d continent in general. Believe me if we can have a change of leaders across the lenght and breadth of Africa, in less dan a decade we'll start seeing positive changes around d continent.

Angelou:
one of the most efficient tactics the europeans employed in subjugating africa was the introduction of christianity..... making us to dispose our gods which had been our source of inspiration as demons.
"put down your weapons and embrace the religion of peace" but the brits never dropped theirs

You mean religion not christianity...

Africans were atheists who believed in themselves.

GodMode:


You mean religion not christianity...

Africans were atheists who believed in themselves.

Africans? Athiest?

Umm....

bigfrancis21:


You are lost indeed. Merely regurgitating what you have been told about yourself, that you lack history. This is real history up here on the front page being brought to you, parts of history that has been intentionally hidden from you as part of the mental subjugation ploy for you. You have grown up to believe you have no history, you are inferior such that you inherently believe that you are incapable of achieving anything. History isn't always what you have been lied to.

Look for your history not in european texts, they have made sure of blotting out your true history from you. Were you ever told that the earliest university in the world is the university of timbuktu in mali? In Africa? At that time, the University was advancing in learning and handing out a 3-tier level of educational certification, Europe had virtually none! Ever heard of the black Moors? Ever heard of the Rosetta stone? Ever heard about the Olmec Civilization of Mexico (the oldest civilization of Mexico where the original settlers in Mexico carved statues for themselves entirely Negroid in features and left writings deciphered to be a Malian language) thus confirming an earlier presence of Africans and ebunking the so-called history that Columbus 'discovered' America when Africans had discovered America way much earlier? You think you would want to be told this? Because you were deliberately not told!

My post up there is only a tip of the iceberg, a foundation laid down for you to go out there and study your history. There is much more to be told than written in that post - some intellectually lazy ones are already complaining that they can't read all of it.

You think you have no history, or that your history starts with slavery or after you were colonized in Africa. That's wrong. Your history predates the Roman and Greek civilizations!

Please take out some time and do some research yourself. You will be amazed at the wealth of information about your history which you do not know. Free yourself from mental subjugation. Self-enlightenment only comes with knowledge, and with knowledge comes power of the mind.

ok so our forefathers were so ingenious bt in all their ingenuity none of their legacies could survive the european onslaught. Even their historical writings, architecture etc.. The germans greeks, chinese , japs, indians etc at some point went thru slavery and conquest.. But we can see today they create .. The blackman could not even arm his armies with home made matchetes.. Uniformly smelted.

Truth is our supposed great kingdoms were mud huts, nt more than a storey high. The egyptian crafts we claim are nt even negroid. I rmba during the biafra war , for the 1st tyme in history a negroid group was creating its weapons on a semi mass scale..what happened? Petty bigotry and envy drove the fg to cover up these creations and dismantle all teams involved. You see the values and attitudes the typical negro exhibits?... Now were nt creating anything. I guess u can blame tht on the whites too.

Even if u take all of lagos population and transfer to newyork thts already built, and do vice versa.. Tht newyork will become like lagos in 10yrs and guess what? This lagos will suddenly change to newyork with a thriving white population. Don't get me wrong, we've got really intelligent folks but trust me, bulk of negroes are savage beasts. 95percent more or less.
Its shockn, I've even become racist towards my ppl after seeing how other races behave.. Even in domestic circles.

gregzone:
We can all sit down and blame others as d reason y we haven't moved forward as a continent. But d fact is dat every continent, country and race have their own problems, bt they've sat down and thought about d solutions to their problems.
D reason why Africa hasn't moved on as a continent is wit d kind of leaders we choose to lead us, leaders wit their *grab n carry* mentality, leaders dat are nt innovative, leaders who don't even have d interest of their fellow countrymen in mind nt to talk of d continent in general. Believe me if we can have a change of leaders across the lenght and breadth of Africa, in less dan a decade we'll start seeing positive changes around d continent.

One of the leaders once said "america will know"....

What does that statement tell you

totima:


Africa is only plagued by cowardice, laziness, weakness of mind and a fear of confronting the unknown.

This is why we are comfortable with religion and superstition. We simply can't be bothered to take on uncertainties to uncover truths.

How much has fear of questioning things inhibited us from challenging authority, seeking out alternatives?

Dats nt true, Africans are not lazy people, they are just lazy thinkers.

gregzone:

Dats nt true, Africans are not lazy people, they are just lazy thinkers.

I meant laziness of mind when I said that.

totima:


Africans? Athiest?

Umm....

What else will make people risk their lives to build monuments and very tall statues

revolt:
ok so our forefathers were so ingenious bt in all their ingenuity none of their legacies could survive the european onslaught. Even their historical writings, architecture etc.. The germans greeks, chinese , japs, indians etc at some point went thru slavery and conquest.. But we can see today they create .. The blackman could not even arm his armies with home made matchetes.. Uniformly smelted.

Truth is our supposed great kingdoms were mud huts, nt more than a storey high. The egyptian crafts we claim are nt even negroid. I rmba during the biafra war , for the 1st tyme in history a negroid group was creating its weapons on a semi mass scale..what happened? Petty bigotry and envy drove the fg to cover up these creations and dismantle all teams involved. You see the values and attitudes the typical negro exhibits?... Now were nt creating anything. I guess u can blame tht on the whites too.

Even if u take all of lagos population and transfer to newyork thts already built, and do vice versa.. Tht newyork will become like lagos in 10yrs and guess what? This lagos will suddenly change to newyork with a thriving white population. Don't get me wrong, we've got really intelligent folks but trust me, bulk of negroes are savage beasts. 95percent more or less.
Its shockn, I've even become racist towards my ppl after seeing how other races behave.. Even in domestic circles.

One of the leaders once said "america will
know"....

What does that statement tell you