Stillfire:


So why don't you relegate your daughters to studying home economics only then if you believe women don't have the brains to revolutionize culture?
To even refer to Einstein era in the same breath is disingenuous where prioritizing female education was just beginning to pick up steam in the late 19th century and early 20th century putting into consideration men have had more than a thousand year head start to women. Despite the thousands of year gap between men and women, we begin to see women as early at 1930's showing some intellectually might. This is like comparing the head start of European men in the STEM to African men. Does that mean African men are dumb because it has done nothing to contribute to the sciences today?

Nope the old power, relied on physical strength. But today it relies on intellectual might through STEM courses . The so called Magic and mysticism are part of STEM. These are all part of physics and medicinal chemistry.

Moana:
The mordern women are sad, yet you are the ones who spend 80% of your lifetime analysing their lives, if you were happy mordern men would you not spend your time doing something else more profitable than analysing other "sad people's" lives?
NL is getting more and more ridiculous

plaetton:

Why do you disagree?

Stillfire:


Crying more than the so called bereaved is what they call it.

I repeat African man MUST wash plates!
You must partake in house chores!
If you want your wife to 'strike a balance' between career and family, you must help with the house chores. Hahahaha

Moana:

And your "full-time job" is going up and down NL insulting women forgetting that every insult you make includes you own families members abi? abeg shift!

Moana:

And your "full-time job" is going up and down NL insulting women forgetting that every insult you make includes you own families members abi? abeg shift!

craziebone:


your post goes to show that feminism isn't about equality but elitism. You are more worried about what will give her more political power and economic power rather than equal representation in all fields. No wonder why even though men dominate works like: tanker drivers, bricklayers, mai suya, firefighters, etc, you are not all out looking for quota system. You are only looking for quota system in the stem courses and board rooms representation in air conditioned MNC.

Also, it is so shallow of you to think that homoeconomics isnt intellectually tasking. And no, women cannever threaten men no matter how many of them are in the stem courses.

In the West, women have been given quota system and have been forced to study the STEM course and yet, how many of them have been able to go on to bring about a new way of doing things? Mark Zukerberg had so many women in his class. Einstein had girls in his class. Teve Jobs had women in his own class. Emeagwali also had women in his class. Yet, non of them have been able to come up with something to revolutionize culture, medicine, computing etc.

I think it is very ignorant of you to say that STEM courses are where power is. Well, that may be today but for much of the world's history; Law, oratory, literature, philosophy, music, theology, magic and mysticism are where the real power is. STEM only gained its new found power during the industrial revolution.

bukatyne:


Dora Akunyili also had a lot of men in her class...

Same with Funke Opeke, Marie Curie etc.

Harriet Tubman had a lot of male slaves around her... Why didn't one of them think of running away and coming back to rescue the others.

Your argument goes both ways.

craziebone:


haha! This is strawman arguement my dear, especially with the tubman example.

I didn't mean that women are incapable of something sublime, of course they are! There are countless examples of women who have actually done alot to advance intellectualism and the world has benefited from their work so much. I can even add to your list if you want me to.

What i was trying to drive home is that women are generally (and when i say generally, i mean on the average) are not relaxed by subjects like Physics, mathematics and philosophy. Hence the natural low number of women in those area. Dora, though a pharmacist, is not known for inventing any drug really. She is known more with chairing an organization that was highly effective in combating fake drugs. Her achievements are more in the area of management rather than pharmacy, her chosen proffession. But feminism came up and because it is more concerned about elitism and man jealousy, it decided to push women into areas that just do not relax them.

Today, even though women make up a large part of stem courses and sometimes are best graduating students in those courses, their overall contribution to the advancement of the field is still very very low.

Also, it is important to note that the work for which Marie Curie is known, she did it together with a man, her husband. They were both awarded the Nobel Prize in chemistry for their pionering work in radioactivity.

So no! The arguement doesnt go both ways.

NB: Dora's excellecnce at NAFDAC was inspired by her personal story. The fight against fake drugs was personal to her. She needed an extra push to trigger her inovative skills. Einstein did not need a very personal extra push to come up with his theory of relativity. The extra push he had was the basic extra push men have always had that inspired them to be great explorers, innovators and patriachs. That extra push is just simple curiousity.

lezz:
I choose to believe you misunderstood me. By women trying to be men, I was implying the prioritizing of thier goal to achieving happiness which is as a result of modern feminism.

The rate of divorces were lower in 1979 as compared to today , and yes women were happier then as research shows. Divorce is hard on humans, both male and female. But I think women are worse hit not because of any social conditioning or cultural inclinations, but because they are inherently different by psychological and biological dispositions.


Evolution has balanced the gap between man and woman for millions of years. Modern feminists get confused and wicked and spun lies from a selfish political ideological point of view.

Men pursue power, glory, money and social status to satisfy their abundant testosterone and also to impress the ladies.

Evolution balanced this gap by giving women the skills and ability to control men. All she needed to do was invoke her inbuilt feminine meekness and wiles. That's what our mothers did with wisdom without the corruption of modern feminist education.

Men control the money, power and politics plus resources,and women control men. That's the balance of power by God in his wisdom of mystery of evolution.

Today's feminist have become pretenders who venture out side their natural comfort zones and area of strength to compete and think what a man can do they can do better.
they can't be further from the truth, the difference between men and women means they both have areas of natural expertise.


The Swedish and Americans have begun ripping the folly of their intelligence. All the nations of feminist movement have come to report the increasing unhappiness of women even as their financial and economic status rise.

bukatyne:


So you want to compare the head start men had?

Lols!

I 100% agree with Stillfire:

If you think There are Some careers women should not have,it makes absolute sense you do not put her through that course.

Apart from that, not all women yearn to build a career or even have the zeal for corporate life.

Look for someone suited for you.

I know it is not related time the topic:

But please If as a man, you know you don't like a wife with a strong drive, please don't marry a woman full with zeal for corporate life or building a career and tell her to become a teacher or quit working.

It will kill her spirit.

Stillfire:


Crying more than the so called bereaved is what they call it.

I repeat African man MUST wash plates!
You must partake in house chores!
If you want your wife to 'strike a balance' between career and family, you must help with the house chores. Hahahaha

craziebone:


african men have always washed plates. When he was at the university and boarding house, where you there to do it for him? I have always washed my own plate and it is the best for men. Don't need any woman to do what can oly be best done by me.

Stillfire:


Oh really, I hope you will carry this mentality to marriage and continue washing plates there.
A woman CAN only strike a balance between family and career if you put all muscles and sinews to work in the home by cleaning, cooking washing dishes, clothes etc.

craziebone:


haha! This is strawman arguement my dear, especially with the tubman example.

I didn't mean that women are incapable of something sublime, of course they are! There are countless examples of women who have actually done alot to advance intellectualism and the world has benefited from their work so much. I can even add to your list if you want me to.

What i was trying to drive home is that women are generally (and when i say generally, i mean on the average) are not relaxed by subjects like Physics, mathematics and philosophy. Hence the natural low number of women in those area. Dora, though a pharmacist, is not known for inventing any drug really. She is known more with chairing an organization that was highly effective in combating fake drugs. Her achievements are more in the area of management rather than pharmacy, her chosen proffession. But feminism came up and because it is more concerned about elitism and man jealousy, it decided to push women into areas that just do not relax them.

Today, even though women make up a large part of stem courses and sometimes are best graduating students in those courses, their overall contribution to the advancement of the field is still very very low.

Also, it is important to note that the work for which Marie Curie is known, she did it together with a man, her husband. They were both awarded the Nobel Prize in chemistry for their pionering work in radioactivity.

So no! The arguement doesnt go both ways.

NB: Dora's excellecnce at NAFDAC was inspired by her personal story. The fight against fake drugs was personal to her. She needed an extra push to trigger her inovative skills. Einstein did not need a very personal extra push to come up with his theory of relativity. The extra push he had was the basic extra push men have always had that inspired them to be great explorers, innovators and patriachs. That extra push is just simple curiousity.

Stillfire:


It is an absolute WASTE of resources if you go to school, studied hard for degree and do not practice it. Applying it to petty jobs, does not change the fact that monetary resources have been wasted. All you want to do here is have an educated daughter but limit her potentials to pursue that career.
With people like you stifling the efforts of women and feeding them pathetic resolutions and deception and that they are not cut out for the workplace, how do you then expect women to reach their full potential? Why don't we restrict women in the kitchen to rech their full potential there?
If these are male areas and women cannot compete, do the experiment on your daughters and restrict her to home economics, why venture into fields that only men should dominate? This has got to be the height of hypocrisy!

bukatyne:


Einstein did not need extra push later the extra push is curiosity

Every extraordinary person had extra push to succeed, that makes the difference afteral he was not the only male in his class really

So Marie Curie's achievements doesn't count because she worked with her husband? I laugh.


You remind me of a NLer's signature... I will not fail; If I fail, they will say because I am a woman.

Never mind million men have also failed in that area. A woman fails and it is because she is a woman.

I believe the current NAFDAC boss is a man; pray tell, What has he manufactured

From my Secondary School days, I know that different people have different competencies and they are placed in classes according to interests and capacity So I don't get the stress on STEM courses.

Gani was a lawyer (arts) and did a lot than an average STEM guy. Infact, most notable people in Nigeria were/are known for the arts, sicial sciences and humanities.

Is There anywhere Wole Soyinka cannot enter? He might probably not know the solution to 2x + x.

I am a firm believer of allowing everyone decide What they want to do.

I do not support using quota system to place ladies in STEM courses. Instead, break the barriers If any and let girls and boys compete on a level ground. If the girl chooses STEM, fine; If not fine.

As to STEM courses not relaxing to females, I do not know.

craziebone:


your post goes to show that feminism isn't about equality but elitism. You are more worried about what will give her more political power and economic power rather than equal representation in all fields. No wonder why even though men dominate works like: tanker drivers, bricklayers, mai suya, firefighters, etc, you are not all out looking for quota system. You are only looking for quota system in the stem courses and board rooms representation in air conditioned MNC.

Stillfire:


So why don't you relegate your daughters to studying home economics only then if you believe women don't have the brains to revolutionize culture?
To even refer to Einstein era in the same breath is disingenuous where prioritizing female education was just beginning to pick up steam in the late 19th century and early 20th century putting into consideration men have had more than a thousand year head start to women. Despite the thousands of year gap between men and women, we begin to see women as early at 1930's showing some intellectually might. This is like comparing the head start of European men in the STEM to African men. Does that mean African men are dumb because it has done nothing to contribute to the sciences today?

Nope the old power, relied on physical strength. But today it relies on intellectual might through STEM courses . The so called Magic and mysticism are part of STEM. These are all part of physics and medicinal chemistry.

Stillfire:
Rubbish premise! Lazy women trying to look for a way to balance at home and get fat on the husband's sweat.
Don't come here and pass off some silly western woman study and relate it with African women.

Even your great grandmothers as africans were working women. The only difference was there were extended families to take care of the kids.
Since we don't live in a village setting any more, men must make themselves useful with house chores and the children . Bite me!

If you women have an agenda not to develop a career, you better stop taking the space of genuine men and women from gaining admissions into Universities. Nonsense. If I'm a university administrator, every woman would be a damn suspect.

bukatyne:


Einstein did not need extra push later the extra push is curiosity

Every extraordinary person had extra push to succeed, that makes the difference afteral he was not the only male in his class really

So Marie Curie's achievements doesn't count because she worked with her husband? I laugh.


You remind me of a NLer's signature... I will not fail; If I fail, they will say because I am a woman.

Never mind million men have also failed in that area. A woman fails and it is because she is a woman.

I believe the current NAFDAC boss is a man; pray tell, What has he manufactured

From my Secondary School days, I know that different people have different competencies and they are placed in classes according to interests and capacity So I don't get the stress on STEM courses.

Gani was a lawyer (arts) and did a lot than an average STEM guy. Infact, most notable people in Nigeria were/are known for the arts, sicial sciences and humanities.

Is There anywhere Wole Soyinka cannot enter? He might probably not know the solution to 2x + x.

I am a firm believer of allowing everyone decide What they want to do.

I do not support using quota system to place ladies in STEM courses. Instead, break the barriers If any and let girls and boys compete on a level ground. If the girl chooses STEM, fine; If not fine.

As to STEM courses not relaxing to females, I do not know.

lezz:
that's a wrongly held opinion for centuries now. So you wish to admit to me that women have been held down by all societies in the world since pre-historical times.
If you admit this, then it has solved our little debate. Don't you think ?

craziebone:


don't mind these people. The victim mentality is not only an evidence of an unfortunate pathology on their own part, but also an example silly excuse! For them, it always has to do with the other person.

Since most feminists are arrongant towards religion and religious stories of the creation, may be they can answer this question: if men and women started off with the same psychological wiring such that what interests us and makes us feel fulfiled are one and exactly the same, then at what point did the difference come in? What were the factors that led to it? How was it that women were 'held down' by almost all cultures all through history? How did the man force her into that position of 'oppression'?

I really want answers from the smartest feminist in here.

craziebone:


don't mind these people. The victim mentality is not only an evidence of an unfortunate pathology on their own part, but also an example silly excuse! For them, it always has to do with the other person.

Since most feminists are arrongant towards religion and religious stories of the creation, may be they can answer this question: if men and women started off with the same psychological wiring such that what interests us and makes us feel fulfiled are one and exactly the same, then at what point did the difference come in? What were the factors that led to it? How was it that women were 'held down' by almost all cultures all through history? How did the man force her into that position of 'oppression'?

I really want answers from the smartest feminist in here.

craziebone:


don't mind these people. The victim mentality is not only an evidence of an unfortunate pathology on their own part, but also an example silly excuse! For them, it always has to do with the other person.

Since most feminists are arrongant towards religion and religious stories of the creation, may be they can answer this question: if men and women started off with the same psychological wiring such that what interests us and makes us feel fulfiled are one and exactly the same, then at what point did the difference come in? What were the factors that led to it? How was it that women were 'held down' by almost all cultures all through history? How did the man force her into that position of 'oppression'?

I really want answers from the smartest feminist in here.

babygirlfl:


In the early days, people had to work together just to provide the most basic needs like food. During this time, there was no extras or surplus.
As women naturally and biologically was the gender that got pregnant, they could not work as much as they usually would during this period. As such, it was agreed that women worked close to home while the men worked far. This arrangement stayed even after childbirth as women had to breastfeed the child.

At this time, women were not seen as inferior. The family line was even traced through the mum as there was no way to be certain who the father of a child was and fidelity was not the norm then.

Then came the era of tools and domesticating of animals which meant surplus food and meat was produced. Surplus brought about class as men began to amass wealth. This lead to women being seen as inferior as it was the work of men that had surplus and made profit. Surplus also meant there was something to be inherited and someone has to inherit it. Men now had greater status which meant families are now traced through the man. To make sure the child who inherited their surplus was their biological child, female fidelity was created.

craziebone:


don't mind these people. The victim mentality is not only an evidence of an unfortunate pathology on their own part, but also an example silly excuse! For them, it always has to do with the other person.

Since most feminists are arrongant towards religion and religious stories of the creation, may be they can answer this question: if men and women started off with the same psychological wiring such that what interests us and makes us feel fulfiled are one and exactly the same, then at what point did the difference come in? What were the factors that led to it? How was it that women were 'held down' by almost all cultures all through history? How did the man force her into that position of 'oppression'?

I really want answers from the smartest feminist in here.