ifeness:


In whose name is Boko Haram killing people? Whose book are they reading?

Of course we need to get rid of someone who is capable of killing 30 Innocent people. But not someone who doesn't like you. You cannot kill me because I refuse to love you,can you? That is the difference between human justice and Yahweh's justice.

Misogynist2014:
From the verses you gave, Paul was definitely referring to the beginning of time on earth. Time is not a thing God can put on a table, God is time itself, HIS existence sprang time into existence. His infinite state is what makes Him limitless in wisdom and power. Except you can tell me how God could have existed in the absence of time?

Hiswordxray:

I would answer these questions when your ideology is able to provide a reasonable solution to the problem of human nature.

Misogynist2014:


What I mean is that something must be consciously existent for time to function, without THIS, time is nonexistent.

Hiswordxray:

You keep clamoring for facts but what solution have your facts bring to the degrading human nature?

Weah96:


The Schrödinger Cat experiment should help you out. You cannot say that Time would be nonexistent because, without consciousness, that very observation cannot be made. It is a paradox. The correct assessment would be to accept all possible scenarios until something/one (consciousness) can make the observation.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130812-physics-schrodinger-erwin-google-doodle-cat-paradox-science/

macof:
@ Misogynist2014

Your ideas are similar to Greek spirituality
the greeks observed that Time and consciousness (Chronos and Ananke) are infinite - probably the only things without a beginning

macof:


Manipulate is such a strong word, influence it's action seems better placed

Misogynist2014:
Like I said, this post is not asserting God exists, it is only saying His existence is concievable, without being imaginary. Yes, you made the observation as soon as you became concious, but for God to exist, this experiment has to be held constant.

Misogynist2014:
I was just about going to your former post........ God came from time, God existed when time existed (for time to exist, something must be conscious to know its existence), that is God. He had the power and wisdom to create the universe due to His infinite state.

macof:
@ Misogynist2014

Your ideas are similar to Greek spirituality
the greeks observed that Time and consciousness (Chronos and Ananke) are infinite - probably the only things without a beginning

theAtheist101:


Really? Would we now argue English? What is your take on nuclear energy? Does that look like influencing anything? We are manipulating energy, jor.

theAtheist101:


You forgotten that it was religion that ruled the world in the past. What did religion do then? Science has made so many improvements to the world. Am afraid you would have to wait forever, because you have chosen not to see that reasonable solution.

theAtheist101:


Human nature degrading? Evidently you don't know the history of man.

Note: you don't go to one mythological book to read the history of man. It would definitely mislead you.

theAtheist101:


How can energy come from time? They are two different fundamental quantities.



The infinite nature of God made Him boundless and limitless in wisdom and knowledge



Who committed the sin? Do you know that things that exist before the man also have life span? So who committed the sin on their behalf?



Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all......Romans 5:12


If nothing is the least level achievable, how did he spring up with so much energy to create our universe?



Because anything infinite is limitless.



How does your question of numbers answer my questioning of his everlasting nature? Something everlasting shouldn't have a beginning.


Its beginning is at infinity.

Misogynist2014:
Proof?

ifeness:


No you give me a proof.

Misogynist2014:
Read on wikipedia, not the same.

"Ananke" is derived from the common Ancient Greeknoun ἀνάγκη( Ionic: ἀναγκαίηanankaiē), meaning "force, constraint or necessity."

Misogynist2014:
To back up your point?

ifeness:


How can I prove something that doesn't exist does exist?

Misogynist2014:
Is it true that the origin of our universe is either conscious or unconscious?

macof:


hmm true Literally it means "to force" "to compel" to make necessary
ultimately consciousness is not free will but a force, a compulsion Infact to exist within our being
Just like you didn't choose to be born but you had to based on necessity

Take it as a decree by nature
Consciousness of the universe is what makes us what we are, what we see ourselves, what we see our environment and what we would become, only time reviles
It is the consciousness of the universe that makes what will be - be
Destiny, fate

Similar to Yoruba concept of Ori

I don't know if you are familiar with Greek mythology but the fates(daughters of Ananke) are said to choose what everything was, is and would become

ifeness:


What ever it is,it is certainly not the Christian God.

Misogynist2014:
Now, prove to me God doesn't exist.

Misogynist2014:
At least you agree that the existence of God is a possibility, which anyone trying to abase it must bring proof, instead of running away from testing his brain. Now, prove to me God doesn't exist.

johnydon22:


Now prove to me that a pink flying unicorn in space who created the universe doesnt exist...

ifeness:


Why should I prove something that doesnt exist doesn't exist. There is no god anywhere,that is enough evidence. If there is a god it will be obvious to everyone. Does the dream world exist? Yes it does because we all dream. I have evidence of that.

Misogynist2014:
It is not to you to ask me this question since you don't believe in any god. If it is then that you are retracting from being an atheist, tell me why you removed this from your list of myths?

Misogynist2014:
This perhaps is the best evidence I've ever seen.

johnydon22:


I asked you that question to show you how absurd your question is... I asked you to prove a flying pink unicorn exists because i know you cant, and this is because it not proven so their is nothing to disprove, its just i claim i made and it is on me to first prove it before it can be studied and refuted.

Same goes to you asking him to prove to you a god dont exist, when you havent proved it yet, it remains a claim until you prove it...

Misogynist2014:
What I told ifeness was that since consciousness and unconsciousness are the two possible solutions to the problem of our origin. It is also true that God is under consciousness, isn't it right to disprove the possibility of His existence first before discarding Him?