brocab:
Hypocrite" you have done the same thing, is copied..

brocab:
What is your aim? Is it only to insult me publicly, we already know-you don't follow Word, you follow tradition, and tradition Paul preached, isn't the tradition you are preaching to me..

9inches:


You got caught dude. I told you earlier you can copy something and expantiate on itto make your point,but not copying almost someone's entire argument.

9inches:


Check the first paragraph of where you copied your argument. It says

Listen to what Jesus said about His church:
(1 Timothy 3:15) "But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth."

brocab:
{1 Timothy 3:15} say's nothing about your Church-Lizzie, you need to grow up, and listen to facts not fiction..

9inches:


Just 1hour ago, Lizzie made new video for you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9wyXW-CxA

9inches:
So what does it say if not that the Church is God's household and the pillar and foundation of truth?

brocab:
Ha ha ha-now this is funny-man read your bible, If "1 Timothy is about Old testament, then who gave Lizzie the authority to preach the gospel?
Lizzie needs to go back to kindergarten and learn how to glue and paste.
{1 Timothy 2:12} "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."
Paul wrote to Timothy to encourage him in his responsibility for overseeing the work of the Ephesian church and possibly the other churches in the province of Asia {1 Timothy 1:3} This letter lays the foundation for ordaining elders
{1 Timothy 3:1-7} provides guidance for ordaining people into offices of the church.
{1 Timothy 3:8-13} In essence, 1 Timothy is a leadership manual for church organization and administration.
{1 Timothy 2:5, 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Timothy 3:1-2, 1 Timothy 4:9-10, 1 Timothy 6:12} "Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses."
The Tradition Paul wrote were the first letter Paul wrote to Timothy, Paul begins the letter by urging Timothy to be on guard for false teachers and false doctrine.
However, much of the letter deals with pastoral conduct warnings about false teachers, and the church’s responsibility toward single members, widows, elders, and slaves. All throughout the letter, Paul encourages Timothy to stand firm, to persevere, and to remain true to his calling. in Christ..
So in your case-Lizzie know it all-it won't matter how much the bible shows you, you will never see it coming-stop reading comic books.

brocab:
If it said the Catholic Church-then I wouldn't have an argument, but sadly for you, the argument remains.

quote author=9inches post=66719044]No one laid hands on you, so like all your pastors, you have no authority to lead a church or act as a commissioned authority. All the apostles were laid hands on. The apostles in turn laid hands on anyone they were sending to lead the Church or evangelize. That chain of laying of hands continued till this day. So unless an authority laid hands on you, you are not officially commissioned by Jesus Christ to represent Him as a clergy and so can not become an authority on your own.

The Church never refuse to teach the Word of God. It's only devil's arrogance and pride that makes people separate from the Church. The Church's teachings are in line with the Word of God as written in the bible and as well taught by the apostles during the early days of the Church before. Arguing the bible with the Catholic Church is like arguing the Word of God with apostle Paul or Timothy.

@bolded, the answer to that is Catholics! Because the Gospel was preached not to the early Christians. Jesus gathered a group of men, taught, prepared them and commanded them to go and preach the Gospel. He did not leave them any book; he did not ask them to write any book. The apostles only wrote out of necessity, and what they wrote were mostly reminders of what they already preached orally. This means that the people who received both the oral and written teaching have more knowledge and understanding of the message than those whose knowledge are limited to the written message only.

For almost 400 years, the Christians of those days had no bible to refer to. Therefore, the Church that Jesus Himself had set up had to primarily transmit His Word orally (some rare individual manuscripts did exist, but were mainly limited to Churches, and not considered divinely inspired as sacred scripture until 382 AD).

So without the bible you would still have the Catholic Church, but without the Catholic Church you would never have bible. It's easy to understand, the Church has existed before the bible [gospel] was written and subsequently compiled.

9inches:


Which part of her argument or the bible verses do you want to argue against?

9inches:
So do you believe now that the Church is God's household and the pillar and foundation of truth and without the Church would not have the bible you have now?

solite3:
who laid hands on the Apostles? What has laying of hands got to do with authority to preach?
Who laid hands on Paul to have the right to preach

who are the church?

How do you know the church teaching are in line with scripture?

There is nothing wrong in scrutinizing what Paul or Timothy preaches using scripture. In fact those that did it were called noble. If you don't scrutinize your church teachings from scripture you are foolish.

A catholic knows nothing about scriptures

what did Jesus and the apostles preach if not the gospel? The apostle only at wrote out of necessity this is a lie.

Jesus didn't need to give them a book because they already have and the holy ghost will write more for them.
No book of the bible is by mans initiative. You in deceit.

This below is why the apostles wrote.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

this is a lie, they early Christians already hand the old testament and already recognized the letters of the apostles as scripture

9inches:
For almost 400 years, the Christians of those days had no bible (full OT+ full NT) to refer to.

this is the common lie with your cult group. So the Roman catholic church wrote the bible? The bible that even Daniel read!

Hence you can change it. So the roman cultolic church gave moses the law, created God and form Jesus?


Although the Pharisees were custodians of the law they never boasted that they gave the law. They are a lot better than you.
Which part of the bible did ur cult bring?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

brocab:
I am not interested..
{Matthew 7:6} “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
I do hope you know what the above is saying to you Liz>your full time rejections against the Word of God, is casting you further away from the truth.

brocab:
Is this now a trick question?

I believe Christ is the head of the Church-but He is not the head of your Church only

I believe there are true believers, that preaches Christ inside the Catholic Church

I believe you need to repent, and cry out unto the Lord, and ask Him to forgive you.

I believe the Lord's calling you-but the desires of your heart, had blinded you.

I believe you have time-seek and you will find, knock and it will be open, ask, and it will be given, say's the Lord..

9inches:
I don't think so. You don't have answer me; answer it for yourself. That's even better.
There is no more than one church my friend. Accept the truth and live.
"I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one" (John 17:22). That was Jesus talking to His Father in Heaven.
"...and on this rock I will build My church" (Matt 16:18).
The Lord purchased the church "with his own blood" (Acts 20:28).
Christ is "the head of the body, the church" (Colossians 1:18).
"And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all" (Ephesians 1:22-23).
Stop hardening your heart to the Word of God, the traditions of the Apostles and the early Christians. Abandon your Martin Luther's tradition. “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion" (Hebrews 3:15).
Great! Amen!
Sure, I always do that.
hmm.. I greet you oga prophet.
Amen. We all do.

9inches:

Right, you're not interested. Stop misquoting the scripture out of ignorance. Fear God, go and learn the Word of God my friend.

9inches:

Just 1hour ago, Lizzie made new video for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9wyXW-CxA

Ubenedictus:
lol

just liked her channel

9inches:
I always do that.

9inches:
I don't think so. You don't have answer me; answer it for yourself. That's even better.
There is no more than one church my friend. Accept the truth and live.
"I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one" (John 17:22). That was Jesus talking to His Father in Heaven.
"...and on this rock I will build My church" (Matt 16:18).
The Lord purchased the church "with his own blood" (Acts 20:28).
Christ is "the head of the body, the church" (Colossians 1:18).
"And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all" (Ephesians 1:22-23).
Stop hardening your heart to the Word of God, the traditions of the Apostles and the early Christians. Abandon your Martin Luther's tradition. “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion" (Hebrews 3:15).
Great! Amen!
Sure, I always do that.
hmm.. I greet you oga prophet.
Amen. We all do.

brocab:
Just like you-I need to be dumbfounded-I need to be a lost cause, I need my head red-I need to cast my peals before swine, I need to follow tradition, I need to be saved in the Catholic Church, I need to walk away from God-I need to bow down before statues of Mary, I need to pray to dead saint's, I need to accept I am not reading bible truth. And what tops it off, I need to be friends with Lizzie.
I say it again-I am not interested about 9 inches bragging about Lizzie, or visa versa, Lizzie bragging about 9 inches.

Ubenedictus:
lol

just liked her channel

brocab:
Do you really believe hating someone with a passion will draw you closer to God?
"Hail Mother of God I repent, Holy Mother forgive me, I don't think so-you are a lost soul-trying to work your way into heaven-you believe there is one God, good, even the demons believe and tremble.{James 2:19}

Lizzie's new way of Praying "Hail Mother of God I repent, do you actually believe a priest have the same authority, as Jesus, He is the only one who can forgive sins.
Do you believe praying Holy Mother forgive me, for I have sinned against you-and your Church-will wash your sins away-you had left God for this, I pray-Mother of God, my Mediator between myself and God, for I am your servant, Holy Mary Mother of God I bow down to thee.
Lizzie you claim to know the scriptures, but do you honestly believe repenting to your priest is repenting to God: at the same time, You had left God for this-your new method of praying is only traditional hogwash created by Catholic's that still practice pagan religion, Catholic's that worships Lucifer under Oath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1VyVQQdaDQ

9inches:
Just hear yourself out ranting as if a young lady beat you up. Go and learn the Word of God. You are wasting your learning time here.

9inches:

Stop trying to pivot. No one is asking you to befriend Lizzie. Go and learn the truth, stop living in denial. Learn your bible, stop reading it like a novel.

[quote author=9inches post=66836039]
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Then, completing their fasting and prayer, they laid hands on them and sent them off (Acts 13:2-3). You do not require laying of hands to be able preach ordinarily; lay faithfuls surely can preach to one another. But authorization is required to lead a Church (which includes preaching, indoctrination, reproof, correction, instruction, forgiving sins, offer the Sacrifice (Luke 22:19) and dispense the various sacraments (Matthew 28:18; John 20:22, 23).

For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands (2 Timothy 1:6).
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery [body of elders] (1 Timothy 4:14).
Laying of hands is a gesture used in the Old Testament to signify the transmission of authority from Moses to Joshua (Num 27:18-23, Deut 34:9). The early Christian community used it as a symbol of installation into an office, eg. the Seven (Acts 6:6) and Paul and Barnabas (Acts 13:3).
To fulfill their exalted mission, the apostles were endowed by Christ with a special outpouring of the Holy Spirit coming upon them, and by the laying of hands they passed on to their auxiliaries the gift of the Spirit, which is transmitted down to our day.

The Church is God's household and the pillar and foundation of truth. The fact that we don’t have any writings from Jesus, or that he didn’t hand-write the Bible on his own is not a big problem for Catholics. While the Bible is essential, it is not the only means of transmitting the Faith from one generation to the next. For this, Jesus established his Church, which Apostle Paul calls "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim 3:15). This is why Jesus chose his disciples and groomed them. They would be the method of transmission

We know this because the scripture came from the Church. It was members of the Body of Christ (the Church) that wrote the scripture (NT); their followers down the line through generations compiled the books and decided which written text makes up the bible and which text does not. So, without the Church you would not have had the bible you have now; at best, you might have a tiny portion of it. And of course, the authors wrote more or less a summary of what they already preached orally.

you kinda have a point there. Some, no!... actually, a lot of catholics know nothing about scriptures. View it this way: a lot of kids from wealthy families do not go through the "normal" grind the average kids go through. This is because their parents have done more than enough hardwork, gathered enough resources to be able to provide most of their needs, and so the kids are often than not, prone to abuse of privilege. They also tend be vulnerable when they are exposed to the "real world" of the average kids. But here's the clincher, some of the wealthy kids who do not take their privileged background for granted, and who put in some extra work on their own generally tend to do better than the average kids, while the many who take theirs for granted tend to fall even below the average kids.
In this analogy, the Wealthy parents = the Mother Church (a.k.a Catholic Church).

Tell me you did not intentionally edit my comment. I said "the Gospel was preached not read to the early Christians. Yes, the apostles only wrote out of necessity. For example,
Jude (in Jude 1:3) writes, "Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints."
You might ask, what necessitated this appeal? Here's why: "For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ" (Verse 4).
And how do I know they have already been taught? Here: "I wish to remind you, although you know all things, that [the] Lord who once saved a people from the land of Egypt later destroyed those who did not believe" (Verse 5). Pay attention here! "In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

"Jesus didn't need to give them a book", not because they already have the Old Testament (that would not be enough. The OT is not Gospel); nor because the holy ghost will write more for them (the Holy Spirit, just like Jesus himself did not write anything)... Jesus didn't need to give them a book because Jesus had already prepared them and commanded them to go and preach the Gospel. There was no command from Jesus to write the Gospel. What's important is to preach the Gospel whether written or unwritten.

2 Timothy 3:16 is not the point of argument here. The argument was (is) bordered on "Church vs Scripture". I was asked who would know about God if there is no bible, and my reply was the group of people who received the oral teachings of the apostles and passed it down from generation to generation. These group of people know everything in the bible and more!

@bolded, you don't pay attention. Now read slowly:
There have always been disagreements and contestation on which books are divinely inspired and which are not. Some books were were believed to be inspired, but did not make up the bible. For example, the Bible speaks of many different prophets who heard the word of God (Gad in 1 Samuel 22:5, Nathan in 2 Samuel 7:2, Ahijah in 1 Kings 11:29, to name a few). Acts 11:26 speaks of prophets who came from Jerusalem into Antioch. The Bible also speaks of female prophetesses such as Miriam (Exodus 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4), and Anna (Luke 2:36), among others. All of these people, given the title as “prophet” or “prophetess” in the Bible were no doubt-inspired by God, but their material was not canonized. Not that there's something wrong with their message. No. It's because the Councils of Hippo and Carthage weighted the already existing books and letters believed to have been divinely inspired, against a strict set of criteria, namely:

1. Apostolic Origin - attributed to and/or based on the preaching/teaching of the first-generation apostles (or their closest companions).
2. Universal Acceptance - acknowledged by all major Christian communities in the Mediterranean world (by the end of the fourth century).
3. Liturgical Use - read publicly along with the OT when early Christians gathered for the Lord's Supper (their weekly worship services).
4. Consistent Message - containing theological ideas compatible with other accepted Christian writings (incl. the divinity and humanity Jesus).

Do you know that Martin Luther removed some parts of the Scripture that have always been in the bible? For example, he included the deuterocanonicals in his first German translation. They can also be found in the first King James Version (1611) and in the first Bible ever printed, the Guttenberg Bible in 1450s. In fact, these books were included in almost every Bible until the Edinburgh Committee of the British Foreign Bible Society removed them in 1825.

Yet another ignorant blubbering. May you receive sense to be able to understand.

Oga, Scripture is the content of God's word and the Bible is the source that contains it. Therefore, the Bible is a work of Scripture, and not vice versa. Even the Bible itself mentions many other works of scripture that it does not contain. So yes, the Church has existed before the gospels were written and the bible compiled.

brocab:
A young lady beating me up-that young lady is beating you up-My learning time is interesting, Lucifer sits in the Vatican, while Pope Francis sits on his left, listen I know, its killing you, to hear the truth, but don't worry there's more..

brocab:
Since you believe you are the master bible reader-then you should answer questions with ease.
{John 19:26-27} When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, here is your son.” Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home.…
Now we know Jesus was talking to John, and as you believe you are the master bible reader-then you should be able to answer-where in scripture does it say, behold John bow down to your Mother, and Mother stand as Queen above John?
Second question master reader, where in scripture did Jesus command Peter, Paul the apostles with her children to bow down before Mary while she lived?
We already know what your answer is; the apostles taught this through tradition before the bible was written..

solite3:
Paul didn't receive authorisation from men for his ministry, he was specifically called by the holy ghost. The church can choose but that of God superceeds it. Laying of hands was used to impart gift needed for services the authorisation comes from God.
So tell me who lay hands on peter? John or the apostles?

solite3:
read very well I didn't ask u what is the church but WHO are the church?

The bible is not just a means but it is the inspiration of God. You cant compare the direct source from here say.

Catholism is a cult, the reason ur church cannot stand the bible alone is because it exposes it. All psedochristian organization has this same this attribute.

@ church scriptures didn't come from the church. With or without people we would still have the scriptures.
The Jews gave you the old testament which Jesus and the apostles used doesn't mean whatever they do or say is correct .
The bible is self evident that any book not part of it would be exposed.

It wasn't men that gave me the scriptures but God. God's invisible hands protected and preserves it.

your members are ignorant of scriptural truth including you. If they knew they would quit roman catholism and seek God. Of course ur cult wouldn't have it so, so they blind your eyes.
There is nothing like mother church! Do just make empty assertions back it up from the bible.

the writers of the bible wrote as the holy spirit moved them. The holy spirit had a mission and that is to create the bible. There was no command to write the scripture need did solomon or David receive a command to write. Why would Jesus do that? It is the job of the holy Spirit.

the scripture predates the church, the scripture has always been the sole means of determining truth. Jesus upheld so, the apostles also. So who is roman catholic church to want to override it.
Those books you claimed were inspired why didn't Jesus or the apostles mention it.
When compared with the ones Jesus read was it in agreement? The prophecy in those books does it relates to Jesus? Jesus said all scripture bear witness of him? These and many more would determine if it was inspired or not otherwise it is an apocryphal.

9inches:
All of these people, given the title as “prophet” or “prophetess” in the Bible were no doubt-inspired by God, but their material was not canonized. Not that there's something wrong with their message. No. It's because the Councils of Hippo and Carthage weighted the already existing books and letters believed to have been divinely inspired, against a strict set of criteria.

9inches:
where in scripture does it say, behold John do not bow down to your Mother, and Mother do not stand as Queen above John?

Second question master interpreter, where in scripture did Jesus command Peter, Paul the apostles with her children to not bow down before Mary while she lived?

We don't know what your answer is, so maybe you can answer that?